Proof of Kenpachi's Shikai? Translators Only.

[ParasiteD]

This discussion is never gonna end. Lol, some one is gonna post a translation and then next someone is gonna need proof that they have a fluent knowledge of Japanese.

If kenpachi has a shikai or not its not gonna make a difference, he's still a badass and one of the strongest captains there is.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by prd744

^ You're right, dragons flying out of my ass!

^I think your both wrong, I will personally be satisfied with someone fluent in japanese translating pg 258 that's where Perma Shikai is defined and where it lists who has it. There was a wikipedia editing war over this issue until someone had posted a link to a scan of that page that was the only thing that stopped the reverts. If longtime bleach articles editor "tjfsr" put aside his disagreement snd accepted that ken had perma shikai upon reading that link while calling it a plot hole I have no doubt that 258 has the info need to settle this arguement definitively.

[ParasiteD]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

I will personally be satisfied with someone fluent in japanese translating pg 258 ............

Thas what im saying if that happens we are gonna need proof that they are fluent in Japanese and then proof that the person who taught it to them isnt some mofo with dragons coming out of their ass.

lol j/k being cynical.

[symphonyofthenight]

this discussion is absurd as it gets.

Theres no proof at all in anywhere that he has a shikai.
The sword is different? Is not the onlyone with a different hilt and guard.
The sword looks like a saw?
Thats just another point to that the sword is either drying or w/e rusting up.
Because he dont useit. Just for slashing.

and besides all the points discussed you must remember the after battle with Ichigo

HE TALKS TO THE SWORD, because he wanted to be stronger.
Now why would he be like that if he had a shikai?
If he had a shikai, he would make the sword into a physical form to try achieve bankai.

But NO!

So period, no shikai.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by symphonyofthenight

this discussion is absurd as it gets.

Theres no proof at all in anywhere that he has a shikai.

we have already covered that point I really don't see any point in going over it again. There is lot's of evidence to believe that Kenpachi has perma shikai. The only way to come across said evidence and say otherwise is to ignore said evidence or twist it into nonsense. Like fans changing the definition of stuff kubo himself defined and replacing it with a definition that doesnt make sense with rational use of words, and let's not forget ignoring the insights of the main character upon learning that his own sword is of the full time release type. Ignore all of that and pg 258 of the SOULS databook than I suppose it is reasonable for one to believe that Ken doesn't have perma shikai, but you must ignore what Ichigo said and what Ken said to believe it and that isn't rational thinking.

Anyways pls check out the pictures attached to this post Proof of Kenpachi's Shikai? Translators Only.

Even if you were completely unfamiliar with bleach you should be able to conclude the following from just reading ch120 pg 7
-Ichigo's Zangetsu is always in its released state and Ichigo himself didn't know that.

-Some guy named Kenpachi has a sword(soul cutter) that's like Ichigo's for no other reason than it being constantly released

-Ichigo had attempted to release his sword because he didn't realise his sword was already released (all the time)

Originally Posted by ParasiteD

Thas what im saying if that happens we are gonna need proof that they are fluent in Japanese and then proof that the person who taught it to them isnt some mofo with dragons coming out of their ass.



lol j/k being cynical.

OK Ill rephrase lol I'll except a translation from a poster or his/her friend if the poster is reliable/trustworthy preferebly impartial so no on claims "dirty pool".



My only requirement is that they read and translate pg 258 no exceptions to that as none of the other pages matter in this conversation.

Keywords to look out for include but are not limited to: Fulltime Shikai/release/unseal, Zaraki Kenpachi, Ichigo Kurosaki



I would prefer, not require, that they use a bigger/better scan cause Digital Masta said he didn't wan't to translate that particular scan I trust his judgement but we aren't getting anywhere without a scan to work with.

[KillMe]

why do people always go back to ichigo with this - ichigo learnt zangetsu's name and then released him - people say he always had a permently released sword ...... hmm did you miss the chapters where urahara was beating him up with his original sealed zanpakatou and then "zangetsu" oh look hmm is something different - no course not its not like the sword is a different shape - no sheith no guard no handle and a cloth wraped around it - nah its exactly the same

ichigo learnt zangetsu's name then released him - kenpachi doesn't know his zanpakatou's name

now japanese people are saying teh data book says nothinga bout kenpachi's sword being in shikai and doesn't even have a section for his sword liek all the others and yet somehow people still arguing =/

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by KillMe

now japanese people are saying teh data book says nothinga bout kenpachi's sword being in shikai and doesn't even have a section for his sword liek all the others and yet somehow people still arguing =/

Actually the only japanese people who say the databook doesn't say anything on the subject are the ones who read the wrong page they are supposed to read pg 258 to confirm that ken and ichigo have perma shikai.

Ken's character page doesn't include anything like perma shikai but then neither does Ichigo's page the only page that mentions perma shikai and who has it is 258. If no one translates that page than no ones translation really matter.

Lunar had his friend read Ken's bio page which is the wrong page and I believe the same is true of Poncho not sure why he hasn't bother to post anything since I asked if his friend read the right page or not so the jury is still out there. Seeing as he said the same "Zanpakuto: unknown" thing that Lunar's friend did I have to assume they both had their friends read Ken's bio page(the wrong page) where it says the name of his Zanpakuto is unknown.

[iishpaco]

didnt yourichi tell ichigo that his zanpaktou was always release like kenpachi be4 bankai training?

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by iishpaco

didnt yourichi tell ichigo that his zanpaktou was always release like kenpachi be4 bankai training?

Ichigo thought that. She responded you don't understand do you.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

Ichigo thought that. She responded you don't understand do you.

You really are misrepresenting things




Maybe the translation you read truely had her respond with "you dont understand do you" but clearly that was in refrence to Ichigo not knowing he had perma shikai that was not in refrence to ichigo comparing his perma shikai sword to kenpachi's perma shikai sword.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

You really are misrepresenting things

Maybe the translation you read truely had her respond with "you dont understand do you" but clearly that was in refrence to Ichigo not knowing he had perma shikai that was not in refrence to ichigo comparing his perma shikai sword to kenpachi's perma shikai sword.

As a fellow Tobito Theorist I'll side with you on this one. It ould be a little hypocritical of me to continue to argue this point. Kenpachi has some form of permanent release.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

As a fellow Tobito Theorist I'll side with you on this one. It ould be a little hypocritical of me to continue to argue this point. Kenpachi has some form of permanent release.

Speaking of "Tobito Theorists" can i add the spoiler and list to my sig? It seems I'm collecting those things these days.

[Seta]

Originally Posted by Wiki
Kenpachi's zanpakutō is in a permanently released state, with the hilt of a shinai and a long, beaten-up, dented blade. It is apparently unique in the fact that it is released despite its owner not knowing its name, purely due to his inability to restrain his massive spiritual power. However, despite being in the form of a shikai, its power is apparently inaccessible to Kenpachi due to him not knowing the sword's name.

I just wish he'd learn the name already >_>

[Poncho Sama]

I just had it confirmed. Page 258 of the databook does say that Kenpachi has permanent skikai or a permanently released sword. I guess that means knowing the name of your soul slayer only lets you use its power along with your own. Kenpachi's power and his swords power clash as was mentioned in the manga so they work against each other. Which is probably why his sword is screaming. Chance was correct.

[Rurouni272000]

Then I guess Kenbachi has the stupidest looking released sword I've ever seen.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

Then I guess Kenbachi has the stupidest looking released sword I've ever seen.

That bring down kenpachi's character a lot. The whole point of him being bad ass is because he beat everyone with a unreleased sword. Now that we know his sword is released I can't look at him the same way.