Batman Beyond vs. either Nightwing or Tim Drake

[hjga]

So, of all batman sidekicks, I've always argued that Terry McGinnis is the crappiest one.

Who would win, in a one vs one fight? Batman beyond, Nightwing or the third Robin.

-All can use any upgrade or weapons they have used in the comics/cartoon
-Until there is a clear winner, death is not a requirement
-Terry McGinnis can fly, but has limited use of his "spaceship" (no, he flies by and shoot rocket or anything)
-In a wink to character traits, they fight right know, but are given 2 weeks of preptime and Bruce can't directly help Terry with anything but whatever is in the Batcave

[Emperical]

Thats a tough one, without any battle field support nightwing could kick the living shit out of Batman beyond and probably outsmart him too.
But Batman beyond has some pretty neat gadgets and with 2 weeks prep time bruce could help him customize his weapon options out of the stock batcave items to maximize his chances.

[hjga]

Originally Posted by Emperical

Thats a tough one, without any battle field support nightwing could kick the living shit out of Batman beyond and probably outsmart him too.
But Batman beyond has some pretty neat gadgets and with 2 weeks prep time bruce could help him customize his weapon options out of the stock batcave items to maximize his chances.

That's the restriction, Terry can use whatever is in the batcave but Bruce can't tell him nothing, just assume he's dead.

To me it all comes down to brains, Terry may have more gadgets, but he NEEDS them too much. Nightwing would win easily imo even with no prep time

[Emperical]

Originally Posted by hjga

That's the restriction, Terry can use whatever is in the batcave but Bruce can't tell him nothing, just assume he's dead.

To me it all comes down to brains, Terry may have more gadgets, but he NEEDS them too much. Nightwing would win easily imo even with no prep time

Ok, I thought you meant bruce was allowed to help him with the prep time using the stuff already in the batcave, but no tactical feedback during the fight.
If thats the case batman beyond has no chance, hes not nearly as smart as nightwing, doesn't have the massive martial arts training or the ridiculous amount of experience nightwing has.
Terry relies on gadgetry to supliment his lack of....well everything.

[votehill4pres]

u guys underestimate terry wayy too much, go back and watch some batman beyond and than tell me who would win, he is dumb like u make him to be and he is pretty skillful with and without the suit

[Emperical]

"Nightwing (like his mentor Batman) has many different gadgets that he uses to defeat his enemies. Most of the gadgets are in the form of small boomerangs; some of them explode, some spread liquid nitrogen to freeze objects, and some are just sharp, which he uses to disarm but not kill. Along with his boomerangs he has a grappling gun, a taser and a retractable quarter staff which measures at six feet long at maximum length and one foot long at minimum length. Nightwing has trained in many different martial arts including Hapkido, Tae-Kwon-Do, Jeet Kune Do, Kumdo, Escrima, Tai Chi, Hapkido, Wing Chun, Aikido, Ninjutsu, Kempo, Karate, Jujutsu, and Judo. Nightwing is also an experienced gymnast and spent several years of his youth in the circus. Along with skills with gadgetry and martial arts, Nightwing is exceedingly intelligent. He uses his detective skills and tactics to out think physically superior opponents."

The gadgets Terry can match, but not the martial arts training.
Also Terry is definitely not as smart at Dick or Bruce.

[ifeanyi84]

with time to plan, dick grayson or tim drake would destroy terry. they are smart enough that they'd probably find a way to neutralize the suit. after that it would just boil down to who is better as a fighter, and terry would lose to both of them. terry is no slouch, but with regard to brains and fighting skills, he's not on the same level as either of the robins.

with no time to train, i think that terry would have a better shot against tim drake because nightwing has better fighting skills than tim. in this type of fight, i think that nightwing could probably beat terry but tim drake would probably lose to terry.

[Ice(v)an]

I feel that you can't really have this match because we don't really have any information on Terry Mcginnis. Sure we have the series, Batman Beyond, and the crossovers. But I don't think there has many comics that has been done on Terry Mcginnis, compare to Grayson or Drake. Because Grayson and Drake, these guys have appear all over.

Tim in Teen Titans, and Grayson as Nightwing.

And also wasn't it shown that in the Justice League unlimited Epilogue, they did something on Terry, where they show that Terry have half of Bruce's DNA. So wouldn't it be efficient to say that given a few years, Terry might just be better than Bruce himself?

[Jikit]

Terry is only half the man Bruce is. Also if you read the Nightwing Series Bruce never wanted Dick to be his sidekick he wanted him to be his PARTNER. Also in the series it is stated over and over again that people such as Tim Drake, Barbra Gordon, and Stephanie Brown were never ASKED into the group like Dick was. They forced their way into the Batman family.

Having loved Dick Grayson as Robin and being there when Terry became Batman Beyond I can say without being bias that Dick as Nightwing would MURDER Terry. I'm sorry but Dick is said, to be the EQUAL to Bruce. Bruce has always tried to view Dick, as an equal in his Robin days but couldn't really be his PARTNER until he became Nightwing and left Gotham for his own city.

Terry might very well grow up into an awesome Batman but he can't take Dick. Dick knows so many martial artists its ridiculous. Dick was traded by Bruce at his PRIME!!!! Also dick is smart and was trained by a freaking circus.

Nightwing FTW

[NikkolasSnake]

Dick isn't even close to Bruce. He's always been Batman-lite. Batman can at least give Deathstroke a fight but NW has to frickin' pay him off to survive.

Terry murders either of them. Stronger, mored urable, has flight....every advantage except skill.

[Righteous Judgment]

I'm liking Terry for this. Better gadgets, better suit, arguably better opponents and knows infinetly more about the side kicks then they know about him plus Terry's biological father was more amazing than any of them ye I'm talking about Bruce fucking Wayne

[GiantMidget]

I'm not sure if remember this correctly, but Terry's suit already gives him super strength, limited flight and a bunch of other things like invisibility and he's already a pretty capable fighter, I don't see why he can't take Nightwing or Robin who's suits are merely a costume and provides some protection.

[ifeanyi84]

dick and tim are both smarter than terry, better trained, and far more skilled. considering OP gave them both time to prepare for the fight, i dont think terry stands a chance. he also said that bruce cant help terry, so terry wont actually have access to much information about tim or dick. i dont think that terry really stands a chance against either of them considering all that.

[GiantMidget]

I don't think Bruce even needs to help Terry, he seems to know about Batman when he saw the suits the first time he went into the batcave, so I'm assuming he knew about Robin too, also why would you need information on them anyway?

I don't see how prep time can help Nightwing or Tim Drake.

In my eyes Super Strength+Decent fighter+Invisiblity+Whatever the batman beyond suit gives>better fighter with crappy suit

[ifeanyi84]

prep time can mean a chance to neutralize the suit, which means that terry would get his ass whooped really easily.

seeing the suits and connecting them to batman isnt the same as having info on an opponent about tendencies or anything else that would be helpful in a fight.

[GiantMidget]

How would they know about the suit? Unless they ask batman but Terry can't use the Batcave computer to research Nightwing or tim drake as well?

[ifeanyi84]

that's what the prep time is all about. if they are preparing to fight him, being the detectives that they are, they are gonna find out who he is. they are also probably gonna find out it's a suit. from there, they would most likely find something to help them against the suit. the batcave's computer is not gonna hold certain kinds of information on dick and/or tim and so can only help so much. the computer would likely hold certain information like who they are, but i dont even see how that matters really. bruce wayne was always the brain behind the operation. taking bruce out of the picture, the prep time isnt as beneficial to terry because he's not nearly the detective that dick is, and is in no way comparable to tim in that department.

[GiantMidget]

What would help him against the suit?

[ifeanyi84]

something like a localized EMP would be one thing. something else that might help would be something to cut off the visual inputs to the suit across a broad spectrum range. could always send a signal to the suit to render it inert. knowing batman, there's certainly one built into the suit just in case.

[GiantMidget]

There is but who knows if Terry might go like "O shit I'm fighting nightwing he might know my suits weakness" and mod his suit so that it doesn't happen.