current ichigo vs current kenpaichi

[Vizard Hiei]

its like i have said before each espada that is that has a higher number than grimmjow has showed some superior stats than him meaning the lower number you get the more power you have

[Marlie]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Accord do to number 11 the espadas number do mean something.

That's nothing but talk seeing as how they idolize the Espada and could never hope to become one. Regarless of how Aizen ranks them the different abilites of the Espada make them more letal rather than their brute strength.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Vizard Hiei

its like i have said before each espada that is that has a higher number than grimmjow has showed some superior stats than him meaning the lower number you get the more power you have

Aside from having harder skin the showing noitora put out seemed to be inferior to the showing GJ gave.

[GiantMidget]

Maybe because his opponent was stronger 0_o

[Marlie]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Maybe because his opponent was stronger 0_o

What are you talking about? Ken was getting his ass kicked that entire fight. Ken stronger than Viazard Ichigo? GTFO.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Marlie

What are you talking about? Ken was getting his ass kicked that entire fight. Ken stronger than Viazard Ichigo? GTFO.

I just reread the fight, Kenpachi was in control and owning Noitora like no tomorrow until Noitora released then started to cut up ken a bit with him still smiling then he busted out his kendo and owned Noitora is a few moves.

[Vizard Hiei]

this battle once again comes down to

kenpachis strenght, endurance, and durability

vs

ichigos speed, combat speed, and agility

[fuoff209]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

I doubt it, It was clearly stated that the numbers for the espadas rank how powerful they are.

True but aizen letz them quarrel. Wut happen with grim and luppi? Also look wut #8 espada and noitra did to nel. So that duz just show it iz only to an extent with numbers.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Maybe because his opponent was stronger 0_o

MAybe I could be satisfied with that explanatioon if noitora showed the same versatility and capability but all he did was stand around mad swol ignoring everything in his skillset but brute strength cause that's all he would need against some "lowly" shinigami. I felt like he lost primarily due to arrogance and as a result we will never know his true depths

[votehill4pres]

why are u guys agruing about weather lower numbers means ur stronger i taught that much was pretty damn clear, anyways vizard or no vizard ichigo cant win against kenpachi, he never could, ppl want to rewrite history by saying he won that first fight, new flash he didnt not only did kenpachi take him lightly, he gave ichigo help and gave him free shots and in the end if i remember correctly he was the last man standing, and i think kenpachi is one of those fighters that would lower his power to fight someone just to make it close

[Kel]

Originally Posted by votehill4pres

why are u guys agruing about weather lower numbers means ur stronger i taught that much was pretty damn clear, anyways vizard or no vizard ichigo cant win against kenpachi, he never could, ppl want to rewrite history by saying he won that first fight, new flash he didnt not only did kenpachi take him lightly, he gave ichigo help and gave him free shots and in the end if i remember correctly he was the last man standing, and i think kenpachi is one of those fighters that would lower his power to fight someone just to make it close

You just contradicted yourself.

If Ken wouldn't lower his power to make it close, then Ichigo beat him when he was at full power.
Pretty much just ruined your entire argument with that last sentence.

[GiantMidget]

Why is it so hard to accept that ken got stronger, i doubt a guy who loves fighting that much would just sit around and not train after he lost.

[Marlie]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Why is it so hard to accept that ken got stronger, i doubt a guy who loves fighting that much would just sit around and not train after he lost.

Prove he got stronger. He took of his eyepatch for a finishing strike and Ichigo still matched that and stuck him down. Ken took of the eyepatch this time and fought for a prolong period and still was getting diced up and to top it off he had to blow the dust off of an old sword technique to win the battle. Nnoitora pushed him more than Ichigo did. Ken did'nt get stronger he was always that strong. He sandbagged the whole fight with Ichigo.

[Vizard Hiei]

i think kenpachi did get stronger after all during his fight against those captains he did say (after getting hit by tousens ice attack thingy) that his morning exercises were more painful than that meaning he does train and he would of gotten stronger

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by votehill4pres

why are u guys agruing about weather lower numbers means ur stronger i taught that much was pretty damn clear, anyways vizard or no vizard ichigo cant win against kenpachi, he never could, ppl want to rewrite history by saying he won that first fight, new flash he didnt not only did kenpachi take him lightly, he gave ichigo help and gave him free shots and in the end if i remember correctly he was the last man standing, and i think kenpachi is one of those fighters that would lower his power to fight someone just to make it close

You can't be considered the last man standing when you also collapse in a dieing state. Especially when all things being equal ichigo's sword remained intact at the end while ken's fell apart you tell me who was closer to death. While it is true that ken didn't use both arms in that fight so his max damage potential wasn't on display another truth is that his max tanking ability was on display and noob ichigo was able to put him down.

[lazania]

I give this to Ichigo.

Let's say on their fight in SS they were even.

Since then Ichigo got two major power-ups: Bankai and the Vaizard mask.

Let's say Kenpachi's two-handed style doubles his strength, Ichigo has an amazing speed powerup thanks to his Bankai and his mask, as well as A strength boost. It's too much for Kenpachi, although I'm sure he'll enjoy the fight lol.

[votehill4pres]

i dont understand why u guys like to hype ichigo i mean i know he is the main character but so is naruto and ppl dont hype naruto like that, look when bleach first started we all taught ichigo was the shit, i mean i remember a time when many ppl were saying vizard ichigo is stronger than general yammato, and that wasnt too long ago, i also remember a time before kenpachi and byukuya showed up of ppl saying ichigo is the only hope they have and if ichigo couldnt beat grim since the captains dont stand a chance, than kenpachi and byukuya showed up and owned, my point is i dont get this vizard ichigo stronger than kenpachi shit, when vizard ichigo barely made it past # 6, now u guys can try to twist the logic behind the numbers all u want but as of now the kudo has stated threw various ways that the stronger the fighter the lower the number, when ichigo went up against number 4 he was like u must be number 1 so ur the strongest and ulli told him he was 4 and that there were still 3 ppl stronger than him, i dont know why u guys always want to twist the logic

[IppoSama]

sorry the most over hyped character in bleach is kenpachi... BY FAR.. some ppl even go as far to say that he could bring other CAPTAINS to their knees with his reiatsu which is one of the most obsurd things ive ever heard. As for some of you kenpachi fan boys... youre being friggen ridiculous. You make it soound like he is some god and he isnt.

1. First fight with tousen.. if tousen wasnt some justice talking clown and was just going to kill kenpachi that fight is over with a nice decapitation. 2. kenpachi had the perfect skill set to take on the nnoitra (sp) its why HE was the one kubo put infront of him. Kubo matched the espada with the perfect counters. You think Ken could of taken syazel (sp) .. please he would of been dominated.. but another mad genius with prep time did the job perfectly. You think ken would of won against the guy who take control of your limbs with lightning speed? Hell no but a guy with a bankai he doesnt have to move to control and is fast himself (he never caught her but he played tag with arguable the FASTEST character in bleach period) did a great job. But ken sure as hell can dominate someone who doesnt move a damn and thinks his skin is invincible.

Moving on , i give this to ichigo, to many power ups, his growth is stupid. Every fight he has he comes out ALOT stronger then before, sorry for the dbz reference but hes like a friggen saiya-jin, close to death, heals , comes back THAT much stronger. Ichigo is UNGODLY fast, VERY STRONG (you guys seem to forget ichigos physical strength is up there) and has reiatsu to match kenpachis (dare i say he may actually have more reiatsu). Extremely durable himself (5 grimmjow shells and still fought on). Lastly he isnt going to get caught in the damage him and get my sword caught trick. Hes to fast and he knows that kenpachi loves to get hit , ichigo isnt going to leave himself open like that.

Ichigos win, its not a shutout or a domination but he wins.

[votehill4pres]

^ i am not getting ur logic at all, the only thing vizard ichigo has over kenpachi is speed, and all of u make it seem as if speed is the end all be all in a fight, if thats the case flash beats superman, heia beats yusake, rock lee beats gaara, get my point there are other factors in fights, to be honest think about it u have bankai vizard ichigo by ur logic barely get past a shikai less bankai less no special ability less kenpachi, what happens to ur logic when kenpachi gets his swords name,

fact is kenapchi is over hyped but guess what he should be, he is only one of the strongest captain using a normal blade and just his spiritual power, fact of the matter is kenpachi has alot more room to grow than ichigo, ichigo will reach his limits before kenpachi

[IppoSama]

see now i dont get your logic... (sorry if it nitpick but it has to be done). Superman is ni invulernable (also if its a flash that can sap the speed force Sups might be in trouble but moving on!), last time i checked kenpachi can be hurt. Yusuke showed himself to be about as fast as hiei near the end of the series(or its speculated atleast). Gaara has a ridiculous SHIELD that negates almost all physical damage. Basically you cannot compare kenpachi to anyone else but kenpachi and nnoitra in this case since they have the same skil set.

err what does kenpachi have over ichigo again? Reiatsu.. i dont really think so ichigos reiatsu was retarded pre hollow mask. With all his power ups (bankai, hollow powers) i would put his reiatsu right up there with kenpachis hell he may have more. But for this fight lets say its pretty damn comparable. That advantage is gone for kenpachi. Moving on Speed , clearly a mark for ichigo. Special abilties, another tally for ichigo. The last thing strength k we can chalk this up to kenpachi. But by that youre saying kenpachis one dimension strength rules all? I could give examples to where strength loses to other factors but i wont . That and ichigo hasnt been out muscled by anyone.

Kens special abilties are his strength and his reiatsu, with someone equal to him in reiatsu , all he has is strength and its not that far above ichigo that he couldnt parry attacks or hell with his speed just move out of the way.

Also its CURRENT ken vs ichigo. Currently ken does not know the name of his sword so trying to throw that in is . As for potential. Ken can learn his shikai and bankai and thats huge potential no doubt. Ichigo is a baby, his potential even after bankai and vizard is limitless, he is the weakest vizard, they have 100+ years of training on him in that power. Ichigos hollow even told him to not die before he shows up again so he can show him his true power. As for fighting experience he is a BABY compared to every almost EVERYONE in the gotei 13 yet in his short time he has ascended to captain level. If you gave ichigo at his current rate the 100+ years of living and fighting every other captain has the outcome is even more clear.