Espada Vs. Vizard

[SOL]

Originally Posted by Shadeninja

^ Now see THAT I can't agree with

think of what you just said

The First Espada? Seriously?

Ichigo is stronger than Captain level as a Vizard

I mean that much is pretty clear. He isn't smart or experienced but he has the power, and he could barely get past number 6. Maybe he'd get past 5, but not likely.

Now Ullquiorra. He beat Ichigo, unreleased, in a few seconds, and didn't have a scratch on him. Now between Noitora and Ullquiorra, think of the power gap.

Noitora isn't much stronger than GrimmJow, that's clear, but Ullquiorra is waaaaaaaay more powerful than Grimm and Noitora.

We don't know how big the gaps in power between the top Espada are. But I know this, the Vizards are strong. If anyone could take down the Primera Espada, it's a Vizard, but don't think they could just gang up on him if it came down to an all out fight, because if the gaps in power are anything like they were from 5 to 4, then there wouldn't be that much left of the Vizards to fight Primera Espada

wait a sec. where did you get uli being way more powerful then noitora? last time i checked, both kicked ichigo around pretty easily, and note that ichigo couldn't even cut noitora's skin, in bankai. although if we did see ichigo with his mask on fight noitora and ichigo was at full power along with noitora, we could say that noitora might not even need his mask to fight him. yes the power gap between #6 and #4 is very large, cut that in half and you get what noitora is all about. if uli can beat ichigo with mask on without releasing, then i'm betting noitora wouldn't need to either or he might need to, just he would manhandle his ass around pretty easily after he did.

and i see you guys totally underestimating the espada, i mean if you take the power gap between uli and grimm, and you look at uli and #1, then that guy could probably take on a couple captains, a couple vizards and a couple espada all that the same time i'm guessing. the espada still have their ultimate cero's that they can use at last resort and we see how huge grimms is, and if he shot that at shinji, well shinji would need to be in bankai form and mask on just like ichigo i'm guessing, because grimm still only had one arm when he fought shinji and just because of that he went all the way down to a numero arrancar, and shinji even needed a mask on and use a pretty powerful looking cero while also saying he wasn't going to take him easy. plus, the espada have the Caja Negación, which they can put on the vizards, and captains and ichigo and whoever, and they wouldn't be able to escape most likely. they might be able to but after they all fight and whatever, then the espada use the negation box, heal and they break out, and kick some ass because the vizard couldn't heal.

i'm still going with espada, even if they couldn't right now, the vastolordes could, and i wouldn't doubt if a vastolorde came upon aizen and the espada, i'm sure aizen would let the vastolorde eat the other espada if possible and get as strong as them plus their own powers.

ok that was just a wierd theory but yea, you get my point. and there are supposed to be already some Vastolords in hueco mundo, it says they can only be found in the deepest parts of hueco mundo, and thoguh they may be extremely rare, there have to be a whole group(though it may be a small group) of them, esecially the way aizen talked about them, as if he hadn't made contact with them yet, meaning he hasn't reached the deepest part of hueco mundo, which also leads me to believe that he built all the castle like buildings and whatnot some where in the huge dimension of hueco mundo, and i'm also guessing that this deep realm of hueco mundo has to be harsh, and aizen may not even be able to get throguh to them because of this, and he may be weaker then a hollow vastolorde even before they get shinigamified.

so in other words, in all that, there is no way anyone can opose aizen and his espada, in the future, but as of right now, the vizards have a slight chance of winnign in my opinion, and an even higher chance if ss joins the fight with the ryoka, or ichigo's crew.

edit:wow that was f**king long

[eddieson]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

Ichigo is like the weakside demonstraation of what the expierienced vizards are capable of and Ichigo without the ability to use hollow techniques or kido or any other advanced shinigami ability still managed to take down full power GJ while in HM where hollows and I imagine there techniques are at there strongest. The weakest, least trained, least expierienced, least versitile Vizard was able to put down the number 6 espada. The expierienced Vizards with there ability to use sword techniques, kidou, and hollow techniques would be smoking cigs and relaxing after having raped the current espada to their satisfaction well not literally(well maybe Halibel and her fraccion and who knows what that freak Lisa/Risa would do anyone/thing that arroused her lol)

I couldn't agree more cause when you look at it even Shinji was giving Grim problems. He was doing that with out even taking the fight serious, at least using his Shikai, and without using his mask.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by cass

yea except no, ichigo is really strong, i'm betting the fat guy is the weakest.

Haha that's so true but yea the vizards would win, i mean honestly, none of them have even so much as released there shikai so if Shinji was able to play around with GJ like he did, imagine how strong they'd all be with bankai and their masks.

[JD]

u can't say ichijo in the weakest vizard he can't contain his hollow state as long and in regard to to vizard vs the hueco mundo I will go with the vizard. One vizard can hold there state for 15 hours that would be one hell of a fight. So basically I don't believe thats its a matter of who's stronger so far its obvious the vizard are but how long they can fight at that level

[slyfox87]

vizard hands down, heck the epasade havent showed anything yet they gotten beat by lower class captains and vc captains, i am sure the top 4 are stronger, but i doubt they are at the level of the top 3 vizard or the top 4 captains we probably have to wait for the vl to arrive to get to the point, the once now are weak

[Galas]

I think that the Vizards Havent Show they True Power yet since if we start to understand evrything from Zero, first the Vizard were Shinigamis, then mixed they powers with Hollow powers =? OMG! a nasty warrior that can devastate even to the Arrancar Spada and posibly to Aizen in few Secs, but yet i think that Ichigo doesnt has the Complete Vizard Power (remember what the Hollow Said when Ichig obtained his dam Vizard Powers it sounded that he will give him Part of all his mad Power but not copletley so if 50%=an a EX Espada Dead, well think what ana 100% would mean and add that Ichigo did put out the Crap Of Grimjow in their figth so i go for the Vizards.)

[Righteous Judgment]

^I think the jist of it is that vizards roxxor your boxxors and personally I have to agree. The expierienced vizards must have some degree of hollow reiatsu flowing throught out their bodies even without power ups. Shinji without powerups was able to out class unreleased GJ. It's only that Shinji wanted to finish things quickly that he decided to use his mask and hollow powers.

Summary Shinji without power ups was operating above the level of GJ unreleased = Friggin Absurd power. Shinji with Mask and Bankai might be able to take down the number one espada solo.

[Kataklyzm]

With the way things are going now, the Espada will be lucky if the defeat the SS's Captains. They've been getting owned so far. Since we've only seen the "tip of the iceberg" of the Vizards' powers, I'd have to go with the Vizards without contest.

[Sayian77]

I think the top 4 or 5 Espada is the only chance against the Vizard but the rest of them don't have a chance against the Hollow Masks Vizards I personally don't know how strong Captain Aizen and the strongest Espada are truly dude .

[Big Green]

well, of course shinji would smack grimmjoww around, hes like the leader of the vizards, isnt he? so naturally you would assume hes the strongest. im not so sure he'd fair as well against espade No. 1.

[Azn]

Yea. 5-1 would probably be able to take the vizard. Im not entirely sure, but i dont think those vizards have a shikai or a bankai. Its just my guess though.

[eddieson]

Originally Posted by AznMonster

Yea. 5-1 would probably be able to take the vizard. Im not entirely sure, but i dont think those vizards have a shikai or a bankai. Its just my guess though.

So far aside from the unofficial member Ichigo only one other Vizard has been shown using their shikai.

[hi its me]

Unless they were originally Captain-lvl to begin with (as Shinigami), i don't think any of them have Bankai. Ichigo has his crazy growth rate so yeah.

I'm just gonna point it out now before someone says some thing. Having a hollow mask doesn't automatically enable you to have Bankai.


Even if Shinji was smacking Grimmjow around like a tennis ball Grimmjow was unreleased and unless i'm horribly mistaken, Ichigo too was manhandling Grimmjow with his mask on. And Grimmjow only had one arm. Just remembered that part...

For me, Uliquiorra's pure power in beating Ichigo half-assedly just convinces me that the Espada just take it. I mean, theres 3 higher then Uliquiorra. And more to come. Heck Szayel could give the Vizards a pain in the ass.

[eddieson]

It's been proven before that you do not have to be a captain in order to have bankai. Also if we were going off of just pure power then Ichigo would be stronger then Ulq.

[Kataklyzm]

Originally Posted by eddieson

So far aside from the unofficial member Ichigo only one other Vizard has been shown using their shikai.

Except for the one with the white hair. I think his name was Kensei or something like that. His Shikai was shown to transform into a combat knife.

[Magnum]

^^yup,Muguruma Kensei

[eddieson]

Originally Posted by Bend

Except for the one with the white hair. I think his name was Kensei or something like that. His Shikai was shown to transform into a combat knife.

Ye, his name is Kensei, and his shikai turns into a combat knife that lets him shoot off a somekind of energy blast.

[Mika-kun]

IMO I believe that the Vizards are better, the way I see it is

The Vizards = the Vasto Lordes (This is a pure guess dont get on my back, I'll be proven wrong when we see it happen)

Captains (Shinigami) = Espada

For this battle I think that Vizards take it.

[scarecrow13]

vizards of course i mean if ichigo is a vizard and if he could stand against grimmjow then of course

[carcone]

vizards are betta.. esp mashiro .. i think that shes gonna be insanely strong.. she held hallow mask fo r5 hours the first time she did it or somethign like that.. and the rest fo the vizards wont let her fight.. mabey bc shes to strong and woudl kick to much butttt