Espada Vs. Vizard

[Ice(v)an]

Can anyone answer this question then?
If Vizards are that powerful and can own Espada. Then why don't they attack Aizen?
Take out all their 10 Espadas, so Aizen will be set back...
Because they seem to know what Aizen is doing.
Even if the Vizards know they are probably no match against Aizen.
Then again there's another case, they might believe that they are not strong enough against the upper Espada, like 4 and up?

Shinji look pretty scared when he saw Uliqorria came out and stop Grimmjow.

[Azn]

vizards arent that strong imo. do they even have a shikai or bankai?

Ulquiorra seems like he can take them all out

[viresh]

at the moment i think the espada's can own the vizards.. but we haven't seen anything yet.. from both sides. If the vizards were stronger, they would have helped ichigo.

[Sayian77]

The Vizard could beat the Espada up until the 5th Espada but Uliqullria and above Espada are a whole different level of power I would probaly say that Aizen could beat the whole Vizard crew of 6-7 members they have cuzzin' .

[eddieson]

Originally Posted by Ice(v)an

Can anyone answer this question then?
If Vizards are that powerful and can own Espada. Then why don't they attack Aizen?
Take out all their 10 Espadas, so Aizen will be set back...
Because they seem to know what Aizen is doing.
Even if the Vizards know they are probably no match against Aizen.
Then again there's another case, they might believe that they are not strong enough against the upper Espada, like 4 and up?

Shinji look pretty scared when he saw Uliqorria came out and stop Grimmjow.

He looked more surprised then scared, and as for why they aren't attacking it could be because they are waiting for the situation to become very favorable for them.

[Ice(v)an]

If you are truly strong you don't need an instance where you will enter a fight just cause it's favorable for you. I mean what do they want to wait and see what happens with the houygoku? Like how much power it will be when it's truly awaken?

[eddieson]

After the latest chapter it would seem like the Vizards would stand a even better shot at beating the Espada.

[usn014]

vizard all motherfuckin day!!! only the top 4 espadas are worth mentioning...the vizard are captain class fighters!!! PLUS the hollow powers!!! vizards hands down

[Lokiee]

Premature much?

We haavent even seen half of what the vaizards can do

[reKoil]

Originally Posted by Azn

vizards arent that strong imo. do they even have a shikai or bankai?

Ulquiorra seems like he can take them all out

Just.. what?

Kensei used his shikai against Ichigo, if you look back at Ichigo's training with the Vizards. Though it doesn't mean they all have release states, which is hard to believe that they don't considering the -108 chapter.

Originally Posted by Lokiee

We haven't even seen half of what the Vizard's can do

Yeah, I concur, we haven't seen what the Vizard's can even achieve yet, they might even have another more hollowish release state on top of their already existing Shinigami release states.

[Kataklyzm]

Originally Posted by Lokiee

Premature much?

We haavent even seen half of what the vaizards can do

We've seen Shinji toy with an Espada without even using Shikai, let alone Bankai. We've seen the Vizards fight on even terms with an extensively hollowfied Ichigo, while Byakuya couldn't take 15 seconds - and they were holding back so as to not kill him. All the time, only one used a Shikai, and the other only decided to go Hollow when threatened with a Cero.

This is all just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't seen much, but this seems like the least of what they can do.

[SOL]

i change my vote to vizards. if captains can take out numbers 10-5, with hollow powers and lots of exp, im sure they could take out 4-1.

[duhduhduh]

Vaizards own this. In light of chapter -108, this means that most of the Vaizards definitely have bankai. If you can use shikai (no mask) to fight off vaizard ichigo, then you are ownage.

[Azn]

Originally Posted by skyh1gh

Just.. what?

Kensei used his shikai against Ichigo, if you look back at Ichigo's training with the Vizards. Though it doesn't mean they all have release states, which is hard to believe that they don't considering the -108 chapter.

.... that was like 5 weeks ago.
Obviously, due to new enlightenment on the vizards, I guess i'd change to the vizards MAYBE winning

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by duhduhduh

Vaizards own this. In light of chapter -108, this means that most of the Vaizards definitely have bankai. If you can use shikai (no mask) to fight off vaizard ichigo, then you are ownage.

And amazingly most of them didn't even use shikai or any other powerups while fighting super crazy ichigo

[Emperical]

Good luck motivating the Vizard to fight though (they seem to not care about the affairs of death gods.), if they do though chances are they have more power than the Espada have.
But who knows, thats just from what we have seen from #10-4 spada, 3-1 is a completely unknown subject.

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by Emperical

Good luck motivating the Vizard to fight though (they seem to not care about the affairs of death gods.), if they do though chances are they have more power than the Espada have.
But who knows, thats just from what we have seen from #10-4 spada, 3-1 is a completely unknown subject.

lol I think there will be a fight.

Remember that Ichigo dad and Urahara is probably a vaizard too.

Bleach 188 page 15 | One Manga

Vaizards (which is them), as well as Soul Society (shinigami).

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by endomilik

lol I think there will be a fight.

Remember that Ichigo dad and Urahara is probably a vaizard too.

Bleach 188 page 15 | One Manga

Vaizards (which is them), as well as Soul Society (shinigami).

I am pretty sure that is intended to be seen as three distinct groups against aizen

SS, Vizards and Us(Pure Shinis in exile)

[Kataklyzm]

Yea, not all exiled from the SS are exiled because they've committed the "Ultimate Taboo."

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

^I think the jist of it is that vizards roxxor your boxxors and personally I have to agree. The expierienced vizards must have some degree of hollow reiatsu flowing throught out their bodies even without power ups. Shinji without powerups was able to out class unreleased GJ. It's only that Shinji wanted to finish things quickly that he decided to use his mask and hollow powers.

Summary Shinji without power ups was operating above the level of GJ unreleased = Friggin Absurd power. Shinji with Mask and Bankai might be able to take down the number one espada solo.

I agree^ and can't believe all the people who are suggesting the stronger Vizards wouldn't be able to take the espada. I can't see how the likes of a Captain class shinigami who has hollowified who is a senior captain wouldn't be able to beat the espada. Think about it this way, if they can't and they've been able to exceed the limits of the shinigami through hollow powers is Aizen's strength believable/even possible?

So far we haven't seen Aizen get hollow powers, yet he was able to control all the espada. All the vizard captains have been training longer than Aizen, have had hollow powers longer for ages yet people are suggesting that even with hollow powers that they can't beat espada who Aizen can beat without hollow powers?

I think that's absurd in it's entirety. Even when we see the Vasto Lordes they will be at max power about the same as Shinji and co since how can anyone beat them without some uber power-ups which aren't realistic without massive time skips.