Espada Vs. Vizard

[SOL]

How 'bout this? i'm going with Espada. They just seem a little more powerful, although i would like to see a bankai vizard with mask on vs. released espada.

[duhduhduh]

No way. Ichigo is the weakest Vaizard, and he can beat the number 6 espada. besides, obviously the espada seem stronger, they haven't shown the vaizard in action yet, except for shinji beating the crap of grimmjow.

[SOL]

yea except no, ichigo is really strong, i'm betting the fat guy is the weakest.

[Jikit]

Originally Posted by cass

How 'bout this? i'm going with Espada. They just seem a little more powerful, although i would like to see a bankai vizard with mask on vs. released espada.

You're the Vizard are as strong Captains, most likely they are stronger. They are Equal to or stronger than the Espada trust me. We haven't seen what the Vizard in action for real just yet so we will have to wait to see. But it sounds crazy to compare the to at the moment.

My vote is Vizard until prove otherwise

[SOL]

your right, the vizard have alot of potential, but we haven't seen the vastolorde have we? yea, then i would say espada.

[eddieson]

I would have to say the Vizard would win this cause they have Ichigo who beat the 6 Espada. Not to mention Shinji who was giving it to Grim with a unreleased sword, while not taking the fight seriously.

[Jikit]

Originally Posted by cass

your right, the vizard have alot of potential, but we haven't seen the vastolorde have we? yea, then i would say espada.

Vastolordes aren't EPSADA it's been stated many, many, many times. That's why I think that the Vizards are stronger than the espada the real fighting is going to start when the Vastolordes show there faces they might be a match for the Vizards (who I think they will crush) In the end Ichigo will must likely defeat the most powerful Vastolorde. But that' wasn't the qustion.

Epsada I'm not sure they can compete with the Vizards. The top 3 maybe since we haven't seen them just yet.

[SOL]

well yea i know the vastolordes aren't nessarily espada, and just the most powerfulest hollows, but if a vastolorde hollow gets arrancarized by aizen then they should be in the espada probably being even stronger then the #1 espada, because the current espada were adjuchas before being arrancarized. that's what i meant.

[4thseal]

We haven't seen much of the vizards, we have no clue what types of powers they possess, or how powerful there bankia could be. Though, I would specualte they are at a higher level, considering Shinji was clearly more powerful than Grimejaw...

[SHADENINJA]

we don't know that Ichigo is the weakest Vizard. While he has his mask on, he may be stronger han a few of them

but keep in mind that he was only barely stronger than the 6th Espada

The other Vizards can't be too much stronger than him.

If it came down to it, I'd think that the Espada are probably stronger

[4thseal]

^what are you talking about. Shinji manhandled Grimjaw, I don't think he got hit once. He's clearly on a much higher lever than Ichigo.

[SHADENINJA]

I don't remember Shinji fighting a released GrimmJow...

and for that matter, their encounter was brief

[Righteous Judgment]

Although we haven't seen enough of the exoierienced Vizards to really guage they're powers it is safe to say they are way way way above captain level. Hell most of them were sparring with feral hollow bankai ichigo without any extra power ups.

Shinji without releasing or putting on a mask was able to out pace and over power GJ the second Shinji put the mask on though it wasn't even funny anymore.

The expierienced Vizards and Ichigo would obliterate the current Espada. Even if the number 1 Espada was stronger than the strongest Vizard he would still get killed by the Vizards ganging up on him as just about every other Espada would have died relatively quickly.

on another note Ichigo and the shrewd blonde girl are probably tied for weakest.

[SHADENINJA]

^ Now see THAT I can't agree with

think of what you just said

The First Espada? Seriously?

Ichigo is stronger than Captain level as a Vizard

I mean that much is pretty clear. He isn't smart or experienced but he has the power, and he could barely get past number 6. Maybe he'd get past 5, but not likely.

Now Ullquiorra. He beat Ichigo, unreleased, in a few seconds, and didn't have a scratch on him. Now between Noitora and Ullquiorra, think of the power gap.

Noitora isn't much stronger than GrimmJow, that's clear, but Ullquiorra is waaaaaaaay more powerful than Grimm and Noitora.

We don't know how big the gaps in power between the top Espada are. But I know this, the Vizards are strong. If anyone could take down the Primera Espada, it's a Vizard, but don't think they could just gang up on him if it came down to an all out fight, because if the gaps in power are anything like they were from 5 to 4, then there wouldn't be that much left of the Vizards to fight Primera Espada

[usn014]

we dont know how strong the vizards are...but oviously they muct be very strong if they fight the wild hollow ichigo...plus im sure if they are their own factions standing alone from soul society or las noches then they must obviously be very powerful...

[SHADENINJA]

Keep in mind also that the Espada are about to get some Vastrolord recruits that will soon be powered up through Arrencarization

[usn014]

^^^ true true...i mean the way it looks right now is that some of the current espadas will be waisted by the captains and then they will be replaced by vasto lordes... im pretty sure stark is one...dang i cant wait 2 see him in action

[SHADENINJA]

From the way Aizen spoke, it sounds almost like there are no Vastrolords in the Espada yet

and think of it, that would mean the Primera Espada now, as Uber Powerful as that Arrencar clearly would be, may at best only be number 10

[Kataklyzm]

^ If he isn't a VL already. I'm a bit confused about whither Aizen has any Vastos or not. A statement by him implies he doesn't, but a statement by Ishida seems to imply that only VLs can retain human-like form after shinigamification, as does Ulquiorra's hollow remains.

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Keep in mind also that the Espada are about to get some Vastrolord recruits that will soon be powered up through Arrencarization

Shade, just for reference, the process Hollows go through to become Arrancar is called "Shinigamification". Likewise, the process Shinigami go through to become Vizards is called "Hollowfication". There is no "Arrencarization".

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Shadeninja

^ Now see THAT I can't agree with

think of what you just said

The First Espada? Seriously?

Ichigo is stronger than Captain level as a Vizard

I mean that much is pretty clear. He isn't smart or experienced but he has the power, and he could barely get past number 6. Maybe he'd get past 5, but not likely.

Now Ullquiorra. He beat Ichigo, unreleased, in a few seconds, and didn't have a scratch on him. Now between Noitora and Ullquiorra, think of the power gap.

Noitora isn't much stronger than GrimmJow, that's clear, but Ullquiorra is waaaaaaaay more powerful than Grimm and Noitora.

We don't know how big the gaps in power between the top Espada are. But I know this, the Vizards are strong. If anyone could take down the Primera Espada, it's a Vizard, but don't think they could just gang up on him if it came down to an all out fight, because if the gaps in power are anything like they were from 5 to 4, then there wouldn't be that much left of the Vizards to fight Primera Espada

I suppose we're just gonna have to agree to disagree there my friend.

Ichigo is like the weakside demonstraation of what the expierienced vizards are capable of and Ichigo without the ability to use hollow techniques or kido or any other advanced shinigami ability still managed to take down full power GJ while in HM where hollows and I imagine there techniques are at there strongest. The weakest, least trained, least expierienced, least versitile Vizard was able to put down the number 6 espada. The expierienced Vizards with there ability to use sword techniques, kidou, and hollow techniques would be smoking cigs and relaxing after having raped the current espada to their satisfaction well not literally(well maybe Halibel and her fraccion and who knows what that freak Lisa/Risa would do anyone/thing that arroused her lol)

Originally Posted by Shadeninja

From the way Aizen spoke, it sounds almost like there are no Vastrolords in the Espada yet



and think of it, that would mean the Primera Espada now, as Uber Powerful as that Arrencar clearly would be, may at best only be number 10

Yeah that's why I'm basing my argument around the current espada.