hiei vs the espada

[Vizard Hiei]

^ not the same account alright?

yyh fans vs bleach fans is the reason

[endomilik]

The truth.

C class is way faster than bullet.

Kuwabara the slowest among their team, able to dodge a bullet and said that "THEY ARE PRETTY SLOW" after training from genkai.

Hiei who's faster than Kuwabara and even Kuwabara cant see Hiei.

While Kuwabara can see the bullet being shooting at him and he cant see Hiei movement at all.

So that means that Hiei was even moving faster than a bullet .

[Vizard Hiei]

^ at the time of the shooting they were atleast 5 times the speed of sound or more and hiei was clearly faster than them meaning hiei at that time was past 5 times the speed of sound which should be close to 3000 mph or a little past that and not mention that B- class hiei was much faster than in C+ class form

[Dark Janza]

What the dude meant was that a bullet that has barely left a gun will be going faster than a rocket that has been outside of the launcher for a little while. At least, I think that is what he meant.

Wasn't S -class supposed to threaten the very fabric of the world when they powered up to full? Espada are basically a high captain level. Captains can power up all the way in the human world without threatening the world. The barrier that Kuwabara could cut through kept out the powerful demons or something like that.

Hiei is a fast demon. He was fast at the very beginning of the series. His eye was very mean. Let's play Devil's Advocate for a moment and say that Hiei is slower than 8 and stronger. Is speed the only important factor in a fight? Have you seen any moves on the level of power of things that Kurama or Yoko Kurama did? Have you guys seen anything on the level of Yusuke power? Hiei has some extremely powerful moves.

Hiei would take the Espada in one vs ones. BTW, I am not a YYH fanboy. On the other hand, all of you Bleach fanboys are blinded by that.

[GiantMidget]

Dude tell me how Hiei will exercise his power and speed after his arms and legs are controlled or his organs are being crushed or his body being controlled

[Nefelpitou]

Just a few things to note. Hiei was capable of controlling beings through his Jagan, and was also able to project telekinetic force on them to immobilize/crush them. He said that such powers can be overcome if your spiritual energy was high enough to protect you from such forces.

Not like that though: he commented on how Yusuke's power made those abilities useless and commented that he had merely some spiritual fortitude.

Also, we can't gauge how fast A and S classes were exactly. But I do think that YYH characters were supersonic at higher C+ class levels. Most of my evidence comes from Volume 10. I can get scans if they are needed.

I can't accurate judge higher classes though. I certainly count the scene with Yusuke chasing after the truck as contradictory to every other speed showing in YYH prior to that, but it was still fun. It's sort've like when Sensui's energy blast blew up the apartment when lesser powerful blasts packed far more force.

Just throwing that out there.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Vizard Hiei

^ thats the only problem with that battle

Yes and its a problem that you can't just disregard because its the problem that will make Hiei lose this match.

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Yes and its a problem that you can't just disregard because its the problem that will make Hiei lose this match.

My only question is: how do we know if those abilities can be used on Hiei? As per my last post, there was a scene in Volume 3 that showed that abilities that disable movement, control peoples minds and other psychokinetic abilities can be ignored by fighters in YYH with enough aura.

[Vizard Hiei]

cant hiei's jagan see trough all of that stuff and disable them?

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by Vizard Hiei

cant hiei's jagan see trough all of that stuff and disable them?

I honestly don't know. It's possible, but can't really be proven with the material I've seen. What I do think is possible is that the sheer power of his aura could be enough to protect him from such techniques (as Yusuke's did).

[Vizard Hiei]

^ i agree with that

[GiantMidget]

What are you talking about?
Its like saying since In Naruto they have chakra they can dispel genjutsus, so thus naruto can dispel Aizens illusions, Stuff in diff universe work differently, YYH ways of dispelling stuff doesn't work the same way against bleachverse attacks.

Seriously why do i even bother in the BA anymore....

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

What are you talking about?
Its like saying since In Naruto they have chakra they can dispel genjutsus, so thus naruto can dispel Aizens illusions, Stuff in diff universe work differently, YYH ways of dispelling stuff doesn't work the same way against bleachverse attacks.

Seriously why do i even bother in the BA anymore....

That is exactly why we must draw comparisons. If we just say that "they dispel stuff differently in different universes", what's to say Aizen won't fall after Hiei just looks at him and puts Aizen under his Jagan Curse? After all, Bleach characters may not dispel stuff the same way YYH characters do.

Let's actually look at the mechanics of the techniques before we dismiss it outright. I can vouch for the YYH side (as I am only beginning to watch Bleach).

The main way of YYH characters dispelling attacks mentioned above depends on the level of spiritual energy they have. Think of YYH spiritual energy as armour that resists and repels other spiritual attacks.

Since normal humans had close to no spiritual energy to defend them, they were unable to resist Hiei's "Jagan curses", so they succumbed to it. However, since Yusuke had "some spiritual fortitude", Hiei's Jagan curses could not affect him. When Hiei transformed, the extra eyes amplified his youki, to the point where Yusuke's spiritual energy could not protect him from the Jagan curse and he was paralysed.

The same thing happens with raw spiritual attacks. Suzaku's Dark Lightning Fist can vapourise a human on contact, but since Yusuke's body was protected by spiritual energy, he didn't get vapourised.

So, you see that spiritual energy can act like an armour that can resist and repel other spiritual forces before they can affect the fighter. That's how it works in YYH. How exactly do Aizen's techniques function, mechanically speaking.

[Kel]

Aizen's Shikai has no known way of being defended against.
Stop arguing anything that states otherwise, as it can not be proven no matter what 'facts' you bring to the table.
You see it, you're under the spell. It's that simple.

[Vizard Hiei]

aizens shikai cant be defeated? bull shit

maybe in bleach it cant but to other anime verses it clearly can

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by Kel

Aizen's Shikai has no known way of being defended against.
Stop arguing anything that states otherwise, as it can not be proven no matter what 'facts' you bring to the table.
You see it, you're under the spell. It's that simple.

Wow, so Aizen could defeat anyone, even Goku, Galactus and the Living Tribunal? After all, there is no known way of defending against it.

Also, how does Aizen's Shikai work? Hiei's Jagan Curse was originally a "you see it, you're under it" attack, but that was repelled by Yusuke.

[Vizard Hiei]

^ umm no that is completely wrong

aizen>>>>>living tribunal?

[Kel]

Nice defense.

THIS ISN'T BLEACH THIS IS YYH.

All these topics are retarded.

YYH is a powerhouse anime like DBZ was.

For every single argument Bleach makes, you'll say 'NO YYH CAN BEET THAT'

So stop posting and making these retarded threads.

[GiantMidget]

Aizen can't defeat anyone who is strong enough to not be cut by his sword after under his illusions.

[Vizard Hiei]

did i say yu yu hakuhso was unbeatable?

in some cases bleach can beat yu yu hakusho

but close to the end of the dark tournament bleach cant win anymore