hiei vs the espada

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by Vizard Hiei

^ umm no that is completely wrong

aizen>>>>>living tribunal?

That's my point. Stating that "X cannot be beaten by Y because this attack cannot be defeated/overcome/defended against" is actually using hyperbolic absolutes, which make debates irrelevant.

The same 'logic' could be said about Yomi. In the YYH Manga, Yomi's barrier was never shown to be breached. Yomi said that his "defense is flawless". Therefore, by this 'logic', it is impossible to for ANYTHING to affect Yomi, as long as he has his barrier up.

Of course, this is nonsense, as it relies on hyperbolic absolutes that could be proven wrong if looked at differently. Like, it is nonsense to suggest that the Living Tribunal is powerless against Yomi's Barrier.

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Aizen can't defeat anyone who is strong enough to not be cut by his sword after under his illusions.

Ah, okay. This makes more sense. Well, since we haven't seen Aizen's full power yet (right?), we can't really make an accurate call.

[GiantMidget]

Yomis barrier was said to be impenetrable by demons energy that why yusukes gunwas able to go through.

Also Aizen cannot beat anyone who is strong enough to not be pierced by his sword after illusion.

[Vizard Hiei]

maybe only in bleach is aizens shikai unbeatable but i doubt it

[GiantMidget]

Just think about it the only powerhouse in YYH are Yusuke Hiei and a hand full of other demons Kuwabara is not one of them, Hiei or Yusuke or those other S classes can beat Aizen maybe they are faster then him and can kill him, but not Kuwabara he is retarded and does not have 1 speed feat and was stuck at class A, he has no chance against Aizen period.

[Nefelpitou]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Yomis barrier was said to be impenetrable by demons energy that why yusukes gunwas able to go through.

Filler material in the Anime. In the Manga, that never happened. That is why I specifically mentioned the Manga.

[Vizard Hiei]

actually i would argue that 1 A class could solo bleach but that is another topic

anyways if kuwabara would of trained to be in the makai tournament he would of reached at least S-

how are you going to argue against this?



clearly they dodged those bullets easily how is that not a speed feat?

[Nefelpitou]

^ That's just what I was about to say. Kuwabara may look slow, but he can move fast. Speed generally increases as you move up classes to. Kuwabara was a bullet-dodger at low C- class levels. He'd be many, many times faster at A class levels.

[Vizard Hiei]

C class kuwabara and yusuke were about 5 times the speed of sound yet B+ class yusuke who should be dozens or even hundreds of times faster was riding a bike to escape from a truck

[GiantMidget]

Current feats override old ones.

[Vizard Hiei]

B+ class yusuke slower than C yusuke?

[Fresh1]

Closed, you guys are falling off topic and its getting spammy.

You can keep discussing Kuwabaras speed in the other thread since its spilling over here.