Hitsugaya Toushiro vs. Zaraki Kenpachi

[KillMe]

yes tousen could break his skin but didn't hurt kenpachi - even tousen stabbing him in teh vitals didn't actaully hurt him and as i mention ken was not fighting at antyhing like full strength

and sure they all have slightly different fighting styles but there is just to huge a gap - you could maybe make that argument for one step or even 2 but thats a huge power gap and tell me what in hitsugaya fighting still gives him an advantage over kenpachi? cause i never seen any attack that hitsu has done that kenpachi couldn't just block or chop through

and damn it i'm not supposed to be responding anymore hate getting dragged into meaningless arguments

[wakakin]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

As slow as ken is? it's unlikely he would be able to pull off such a power slash on a character who could just shunpo away

Shunpo is overrated IMO. I remember when Biakuya tried to hit non-bankai Ichigo from behind at the end of the SS arc, he was clearly using shunpo, and Ichigo who clearly can't do shunpo was able to move fast enough to bloc it.

By the way, Ken is fast, just look at the scan. It may not necessarily be shunpo, but its still fast.

Also, people thinking that Histu's kidou can give him an edge on Kenpachi, just look back how Ken just used one bare hand to repel a Cero from the 5th espada. Just remove his eyepatch on top of that and he will just play with histu until he's dead.

[SHADENINJA]

I dont think Tousen is invovled in this fight people


In fact i know he isn't because I made the thread

Remember Hitsugaya?

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by wakakin

Shunpo is overrated IMO. I remember when Biakuya tried to hit non-bankai Ichigo from behind at the end of the SS arc, he was clearly using shunpo, and Ichigo who clearly can't do shunpo was able to move fast enough to bloc it.

By the way, Ken is fast, just look at the scan. It may not necessarily be shunpo, but its still fast.

-Shunpo increases travel speed not movement speed so the time when byakuya was about to use his favorite technique doesn't count against what I said
-Considering that is ichigo at his slowest before he got beefed up by zangetsu I really dont' see how that is much of a speed feat for Zaraki

Also, people thinking that Histu's kidou can give him an edge on Kenpachi, just look back how Ken just used one bare hand to repel a Cero from the 5th espada. Just remove his eyepatch on top of that and he will just play with histu until he's dead.

Repel would be to send it back, all ken did was redirect it. We have seen Cero's actually be repeld, cut down, and countered never has such a thing been down to an attack spell(they aren't used nearly enough)

[SHADENINJA]

I'm sorry but I can't see Hitsugaya lasting long against Zaraki. He certainly wouldn't be able to defend against any of Kenpachi's attacks

and Kenpachi tends to cut deep

[wakakin]

@ Chance
Zaraki don't wear is "bells" for nothing, so I think he should be pretty fast, not the fastest.. just fast.

And like ShadeN just said, I don't see Toshirou lasting long against any of Zaraki's attack while Kempachi is just a fucken tank.

[Kataklyzm]

Zaraki is fast enough to compete with a shunpo user. In fact, he's so fast that he uses bells to give his opponents an advantage on figuring out where he is. Speed is not an issue here, and ever since we saw Kenpachi easily deflect Nnoritra's Cero, neither is a common Kido. It all comes down to strength, reiatsu, endurance, tactics and drive (will to win). Kenpachi pwns Hitsugaya in strength, reiatsu and endurance, so we won't even go into that. As far as tactics go, they're fairly close IMO.

Zaraki's no idiot and has shown intelligence during the midst of battle. During his battles with the 5th Espada and Tousen, he's shown to be quite the battle strategist. Hitsugaya's drive is almost guaranteed to be stronger that Zaraki's, mainly because Kenpachi fights for fun, not for victory. He's always holding back to some degree so that he can enjoy the battle as much as possible. He even said he had to adjust, or get used, to Nnoritra's level, so that's telling us something about how "badly" he wanted to win.

Kenpachi would absolutely own Hitsugaya. That's all there is to it.

[weasel flare]

im gonna give this to zaraki. if hitsu was more experienced(seeing as how its been stated he is one of the most inexperienced, not saying he's not smart) i think that once he becomes more experienced, and has more power, he may be able to pull it off. but as for right now, he's a gonner if they fought. give him a few decades.

[hi its me]

Uhh Kenpachi wears bells (along with his handy dandy eyepatch) to last longer against weak opponents. And i still think Hitsuguya is still in with a chance because Hyorinmaru is an ice type and freezing something tends to hinder its movement. And since Kenpachi is a close range fighter, Hitsuguya can attack from a distance. You know he can.

[wakakin]

@hi its me, I don't know about that, I personally think that Kempachi's extreme Reiatsu and ultra strength alone can save him from Histu's ice if he was to be "ice cubed". I don't know, it may only be me, but I don't see a single way Histugaya could end up killing Kempachi, while I can easily picture Kempachi killing Hitsugaya, maybe even without getting his eye patch off.

[Ycagel]

@wakakin

Any captain should be able to cut Kenpachi. Tousen did it with ease and he's not reiatsu monster. Ichigo did it and Ukitake said that someone unknown with captain level reiatsu was in SS (In other words, Ichigo).

I don't see how Kenpachi would survive that "Stab and freeze the opponent from the inside and out" thing he tried to use against Aizen. And I do think Hitsu has the speed to hit him, though Ken's reflexes may prove to be a problem. A big one.

[IppoSama]

Guess ill chime back in since its been awhile since i posted . Cero is a very different attack then hitsu ice bankai blast. Alot of things dont add up in bleach. Hitsu ice attack didnt kill luppi, it messed him up good but didnt kill. ok thats established. Remember when rukia straight up froze grimmjow..? The 6th espada for what would of been long enough to give a finishing blow by anyone with some decent power. If the 6th espada can be frozen by a weakling like rukia , kenpachi can be frozen by hitsu, whos bankai freezing power is MILES ahead of rukia. Now yes grimm wasnt released, but rukia dueled the weakest espada and BARELY and i mean BARELY won. If her power was enough to freeze the 6th who we all know would straight curbstomp her. Hitsu could freeze someone who is stronger then him (kenpachi). Now some of you may say Ken > grimm and i personally agree with that to some extent, but im just trying to show that ken could be frozen by hitsu because rukia froze someone leagues more powerful then her. If he can be frozen long enough he can be killed. *shrug*

[wakakin]

@Ycagel, I never said Histu cannot cut Ken, all I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure that Ken can just get out of the Ice with is immense strength and reiatsu. And by the way, we saw Ken get cut really bad before by extremely powerful foe (Noitora), and it just don't kill him, he's just a tank.

The guys can survive almost anything, he's one of the strongest character we saw so far in terms strength and reiatsu, he's not dieing at the hand of Histu anytime soon thats for sure. IMO Ken can survive everything Histu can do to him, while Histu cannot take many hit from Ken.

The way I see this fight is like this:
-Histu cut ken,
-Histu use all his abilities on Ken
-Ken laugh
-Histu goes bankai
-Ken is like "finally I can go all out"
-Histu Hit ken with bankai and thinks he win
-Ken then brake out of ice and cut Histu in half
-Ken then say "ahhh man....this kid is not fun, he died at the very first hit...oh well"

[Shalme]

Zaraki > Hitsugaya
Zaraki can handle a lot of injuries and he's very strong (and crazy )

[wakakin]

Originally Posted by IppoSama

Guess ill chime back in since its been awhile since i posted . Cero is a very different attack then hitsu ice bankai blast. Alot of things dont add up in bleach. Hitsu ice attack didnt kill luppi, it messed him up good but didnt kill. ok thats established. Remember when rukia straight up froze grimmjow..? The 6th espada for what would of been long enough to give a finishing blow by anyone with some decent power. If the 6th espada can be frozen by a weakling like rukia , kenpachi can be frozen by hitsu, whos bankai freezing power is MILES ahead of rukia. Now yes grimm wasnt released, but rukia dueled the weakest espada and BARELY and i mean BARELY won. If her power was enough to freeze the 6th who we all know would straight curbstomp her. Hitsu could freeze someone who is stronger then him (kenpachi). Now some of you may say Ken > grimm and i personally agree with that to some extent, but im just trying to show that ken could be frozen by hitsu because rukia froze someone leagues more powerful then her. If he can be frozen long enough he can be killed. *shrug*

I think u got it wrong man .... rukia never froze Grimmjow the 6th espada, hell, she didn't even had the time to take her zanpakutou out before Grimm literaly destroyed her **look at the scan, that was all of her battle with grimm, a one hit fight**. I think u mean she froze D-roy, which was not an espada, and was said to be very very weak even for an arrancar. So.... no she never was able to freeze someone as strong as Grimm. And she killed the 9th espada by puting hey sword throu his face, which has nothing to do with her Snow ability.


EDIT: Man finally your right, she did freeze him in bleach 235, but only for a split second, and she did do it in his back when he didn't saw her. I completely forgot she was there the second time Ichigo fought Grimm

[hi its me]

Originally Posted by wakakin

@Ycagel, I never said Histu cannot cut Ken, all I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure that Ken can just get out of the Ice with is immense strength and reiatsu. And by the way, we saw Ken get cut really bad before by extremely powerful foe (Noitora), and it just don't kill him, he's just a tank.

The guys can survive almost anything, he's one of the strongest character we saw so far in terms strength and reiatsu, he's not dieing at the hand of Histu anytime soon thats for sure. IMO Ken can survive everything Histu can do to him, while Histu cannot take many hit from Ken.

The way I see this fight is like this:
-Histu cut ken,
-Histu use all his abilities on Ken
-Ken laugh
-Histu goes bankai
-Ken is like "finally I can go all out"
-Histu Hit ken with bankai and thinks he win
-Ken then brake out of ice and cut Histu in half
-Ken then say "ahhh man....this kid is not fun, he died at the very first hit...oh well"

Hrm.

Histuguya is no fool he's always gonna have a back-up plan to follow up. And if Ken survives the StabFreeze, Hitsuguya can always use that 100year iceprison thing. Luppi only survived it because he got bailed out.

[Ycagel]

Originally Posted by wakakin

@Ycagel, I never said Histu cannot cut Ken, all I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure that Ken can just get out of the Ice with is immense strength and reiatsu. And by the way, we saw Ken get cut really bad before by extremely powerful foe (Noitora), and it just don't kill him, he's just a tank.

The guys can survive almost anything, he's one of the strongest character we saw so far in terms strength and reiatsu, he's not dieing at the hand of Histu anytime soon thats for sure. IMO Ken can survive everything Histu can do to him, while Histu cannot take many hit from Ken.

-Histu cut ken,
-Histu use all his abilities on Ken
-Ken laugh
-Histu goes bankai
-Ken is like "finally I can go all out"
-Histu Hit ken with bankai and thinks he win
-Ken then brake out of ice and cut Histu in half
-Ken then say "ahhh man....this kid is not fun, he died at the very first hit...oh well"

Kenpachi may be crazy durable, but any hit to his completely vital spots would kill him. Even Tousen knew this, but didn't exploit it cuz he's a noob and Kenpachi is too awesome for him. Anyway, Hitsugaya's technique would freeze his goddamn hearts. Kenpachi can't survive that.

However, I just re-read some chapters, and Kenpachi may kill him first. I still think Hitsugaya has more speed, but speed isn't everything. It could end up both ways and I don't see any of them having a giant advantage over the other. Well, in my opinion.

[IppoSama]

. Point being is weak rukia froze someone ALOT more powerful (theyre not even comparable in strength) for what was long enough for her to freeze him, walk over to ichigo and try to help him then got owned. A split second in a battle is all you need to slay a foe. Also youre scenerio sorta gives hitsu the win aswell, if ken was frozen at any point for longer a second just 1 second it would be his end. In a battle of life and death i dont think it would be "oooo i hit him with my ice bankai hes done for " It would be "oh shit hes frozen *shunpo* head strike.* He froze "Genius" in every sense of the word Gin "guy owned a 3rd seat when he was a "child" with a shikai, im sure he could freeze just about anyone with his bankai.

Also Yes i know gin wasnt full on kill mode, i know this, but hitsu hadnt bankaied either so as serious as he was, he wasnt fully serious either.

Anyway my arguement is Its not an epic curbstomping that zaraki would give hitsu. He may win but its not this "omgz one hit ko for ken hes sooooo awesome" that alot are making it out to be

[Blackghost164]

id go with kenpachi simply because of battle experiance and also for the fact that he beat the 5th espada and hitsugaya couldnt finish the job with luppi who isnt even as strong as grimmjaw the 6th espada and we know that espada's power increases significantly with their number