Hitsugaya Toushiro vs. Zaraki Kenpachi

[SHADENINJA]

Self explanitory

Fight to the death

who wins?

[Kataklyzm]

Kenpachi. He's way stronger in both brute force and reiatsu. He has no shunpo, so the fact that he moves incredibly fast must lie in his natural abilities. Even with Bankai, I'd say Hitsugaya goes down harshly.

[bluewingedD]

Hitsuguya loses....maybe.

Hitsuguya loses badly....absolutely not. People overestimate Ken, anmd always underestimate Hutsuguya.

Hitsuguya will be a chore for Kenpachi to handle. Hitsuguya can control the atmosphere for crying not loud, and Kenny isn't the dodging type. SO when Hitsuguya hits him with the full force of his ice, Kenny is frozen, solid and is done for. Especially if he doesn't get his eye patch off before Hitsugayu freezes his ass.

If Kenny plays around too long, he will get his ass handed to him by Hitsuguya.

[Prince Vegeta]

but kenpachi is crazy. like brilliant crazy.
he gets his arm frozen and he breaks it with his other arm. or maybe he just hacks it off. all he would need is to get in a few shots on hitsugaya, i never saw him as too durable. but if kenpachi does fuck around too long hes boned.

[Why not]

That´s a intresting match-up. I think that Kenpachi will win this. If you compare these to you see that both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Hitugaya:
+Shikai/Bankai
+Shunpo
-Rejatsu
-Brute Strenght

Kenpachi:
+Brute Strengh
+Rejatsu
-Shikai/Bankai
-Shunpo

I think that Hitsugayas Shikai can´t do anything against Kenpachi because even Yami break through his ice in his Shikai form. So Kenpachi is able to break that ice. Hitsugayas BanKai won´t be a problem for Kenpachi because I´m sure that he can brake the ice. Also Hitsugayas strongest BanKai attack needs a lot time to prepare. So it´s pretty useless against Kenpachi because he don´t have the time to prepare that attack. Also he wasn´t able to kill Luppi with that attack. And we know that Kenpachi is much tougher guy than Luppi is. So Hitsugayas strongest BanKai attack won´t do anything against Ken. Hitsugaya can use Shunpo but I think that doesn´t matter because Kenpachi has a very good reaction and great sword skills. When he was caught in Tousen BanKai he was able to react very fast when Tousen stabbed him. So I´m sure that Kenpachi can deal withj Shunpo as well.

You see that Hitsugayas abilities won´t harm Kenpachi. Kenpachi would defeat Hitsugaya because he´s the tougher guy. He can handle a lot of pain and injuries but Hitsugaya not. Kenpachi only needs one hit to kill him.

[Righteous Judgment]

At SS lvls i would say hitsu hands down thx to versatility.
No matter how you look at hits and ichi either got nerfed after SS or everyone else got buffed.

[SHADENINJA]

I'm gonna go with ken actually

Hits got maxedout by f**kin Luppi, and Ken pwned the 5th Espada

I think that says something about the difference in power


I mean yeah you could argue that Toushiro could rely on kidou, shunpo, and his BanKai but kidou and shunpou don't seem like they would have an easy time binding, stopping or injuring Kenpachi. he's too durable, too strong, and his reiatsu output is too huge.

As for BanKai, it's avoidable, and even if he landed it, it probably wouldn't take Kenpachi down, whereaz when kenpachi sstrikes, it usually takes limbs or organs



I just think Hitsugaya would be overpowered

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by ShadeNinja

I'm gonna go with ken actually

Hits got maxedout by f**kin Luppi, and Ken pwned the 5th Espada

I think that says something about the difference in power


I mean yeah you could argue that Toushiro could rely on kidou, shunpo, and his BanKai but kidou and shunpou don't seem like they would have an easy time binding, stopping or injuring Kenpachi. he's too durable, too strong, and his reiatsu output is too huge.

As for BanKai, it's avoidable, and even if he landed it, it probably wouldn't take Kenpachi down, whereaz when kenpachi sstrikes, it usually takes limbs or organs



I just think Hitsugaya would be overpowered

all due respect but hitsu and luppi never fought in melee and ken cannot fight at range.

Ken really isn't all that durable, he just has more will power than most along with more striking power.

That said thx to post SS showings it doesn't appear that hitsu posses enough of a threat.

[Kataklyzm]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

all due respect but hitsu and luppi never fought in melee and ken cannot fight at range.

He possibly could when he removes the eyepatch. Remember what he did when he removed it when fighting Ichigo? He sliced clean through an entire building, but that, of course, could have been for drama effect.

Ken really isn't all that durable, he just has more will power than most along with more striking power.

Huh? Ken's the most durable character we've ever seen in Bleach. Even when he's losing, he just rolls of the pain as "the consequence of having fun." That's not willpower there, that's straight endurance (with a hint of psychopathy).

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Kataklyzm

He possibly could when he removes the eyepatch. Remember what he did when he removed it when fighting Ichigo? He sliced clean through an entire building, but that, of course, could have been for drama effect.



Huh? Ken's the most durable character we've ever seen in Bleach. Even when he's losing, he just rolls of the pain as "the consequence of having fun." That's not willpower there, that's straight endurance (with a hint of psychopathy).

Durability is not taking damage like a champ it's not taking damage at all or taking very little. after the fight with ichigo ever attack that has hit ken has done visable damage but thx to his will power he is able to roll off the pain as you say. Besides I would say endurance ties into willpower.

[IppoSama]

hitsus reiatsu is comparable to just about anyone in SS(except maybe the old man) so while zaraki is among the top 5 reiatsu wise he isnt THAT FAR ahead of hitsu.

[SOL]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

Durability is not taking damage like a champ it's not taking damage at all or taking very little. after the fight with ichigo ever attack that has hit ken has done visable damage but thx to his will power he is able to roll off the pain as you say. Besides I would say endurance ties into willpower.

lol wut? Durability Definition

your completely wrong and he's completely right, dont believe the sight go look it up.

Originally Posted by IppoSama

hitsus reiatsu is comparable to just about anyone in SS(except maybe the old man) so while zaraki is among the top 5 reiatsu wise he isnt THAT FAR ahead of hitsu.

that is fucking retarded, go shoot yourself in the head or go read bleach. kenpachi has the most reitsu that we have seen from anybody, ever. if you meant without eyepatch, sure, he's close, but not that close, without it, LOLWTF???

kenpachi>>>>>>>>>>hitsugaya... like wtf? i wouldnt be surprised if his reitsu alone could destroy any or all of hitsu's ice attacks, and besides, kenpachi is strong enough to be able to last until hitsu bankai wears off(it has a time limit, or rather, a move limit), who would last longer hitsu or kenpachi???? durrrr.

[Ycagel]

Since so many people like to use the Data books when talking about Unohana's strength, I'll do the same here with their stats.

Hitsugaya Toushirou

Battle stats
Power: 80
Defence: 80
Mobility: 90
Kidou/Reiatsu: 90
Wisdom: 80
Stamina: 80

All his abilities are at high levels. As he is able to handle all kinds of battles, he is ever-present in important missions.

Zaraki Kenpachi

Battle stats
Power: 100
Defence: 80
Mobility: 60
Kidou/Reiatsu: 0
Wisdom: 50
Stamina: 100

Possesses extremely high offensive power and stamina, but his kidou prowess ranks the lowest among all the captains.

(The reason his Kidou/Reiatsu is zero is because it reflects Kidou and control. Kenpachi possesses none of these resulting in his "0". Power, however, has a lot to do with Reiatsu, resulting in his 100 there. At least that's what the person who translated the data book said.)

I know the Data Books are sucky though, mostly because of Kubo's scale. He has one with 100 points per attribute, yet he only uses the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, etc...

Anyway, I think Hitsugaya has a chance here. If he could hit with the attack he used against Aizen, the one which freezes you form the inside and out, I think Kenpachi would instantly die despite his stamina.

Therefore, If Kenpachi is an idiot and does his whole "You get one hit" thing again, he's dead. However, if he goes all out from the start, I think there's a big chance it would become a draw or a win for Kenpachi.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by SOL

lol wut? Durability Definition

your completely wrong and he's completely right, dont believe the sight go look it up.

The ability to resist decay or wear is exactly what I said(I just used different words)

The ability to stand there and be cut multiple times is not durability. The ability to stand there while someone is trying to cut you but they can't is durability.

Ken is durible vs weaklings but against character who matter and are up to par Ken is merely willful and his willpower is hard to surpass

An example from the very site you yourself posted
"permanence by virtue of the power to resist stress or force; "they advertised the durability of their products" [syn: lastingness]"
read it and weap

[Whimsy]

Hitsugaya gets shish-kebabbed. Think about it, patched Kenpachi one-shotted a guy who is arguably stronger than the person who butt-fucked limited Hitsugaya in the arrancar invasion arc.

Also, if Luppi survived an attack that took Hitsugaya all the prep-time in the world to produce, Kenpachi certaintly isn't going down. That same Luppi was later ceroed out of existence, whereas Kenpachi swats ceroes.

Also there's 2 captains at once feat for Ken-chan. Eyepatch may not even need to be removed.

[IppoSama]

Originally Posted by Whimsy

Hitsugaya gets shish-kebabbed. Think about it, patched Kenpachi one-shotted a guy who is arguably stronger than the person who butt-fucked limited Hitsugaya in the arrancar invasion arc.

Also, if Luppi survived an attack that took Hitsugaya all the prep-time in the world to produce, Kenpachi certaintly isn't going down. That same Luppi was later ceroed out of existence, whereas Kenpachi swats ceroes.

Also there's 2 captains at once feat for Ken-chan. Eyepatch may not even need to be removed.

feats in bleach are dumb, yes he owned two captains at once, yet lost to a pre bankai , pre bankai training ichigo. As for sol it seems i hurt your fan boy feelings, but if you took your head out of your own ass you would see that zarakis reiatsu isnt GOD, and also OLD MAN REIATSU > KENPACHI. I say this because 1. shunsuis vc was very optimistic about the fight until he "powered up" and the dumb bitch couldnt even breath , has ANYONE done that to ANYONE besides aizen to grimmjow? As for me not reading the manga it seems you dont or else you would know that this fight probably takes place in optimal conditions so hitsu bankai is rechargable... Last but not least no captain has shat bricks over reiatsu of any other captain except the one time ukitake was remanisicing about the old mans when they were about to fight (ukitake probably being one of the captains that everyone would agree would CURBSTOMP your god). By no means am i saying hitsu is going to win this but so many zaraki fan boys like sol make it sound like he is the almighty when he isnt..

[bluewingedD]

I would just like to state, That Kenpachi DID NOT BEAT TWO CAPTAINS AT ONCE!!!!! THAT NEVER HAPPENED!!!

He fought Tousen by himself and Tousen nearly beat his ass if he wasn't mess'in around. He never fought two captains full force at the same time, and to think that he actually could is ridiculus, no one captain is that much stronger then the other captains except the old man.