Ichimaru vs Tousen - Page 2

bluewingedD · 22-08-2007, 02:40 AM

^^ where did you get that from. FOr all we know tousen has more experince then gin. Plus tousens banki will destroy gin, based on what we've seen so far. Since we don't know what gin's banki is. So until we see gin's banki my moneys on tousen, and his sick as banki.

Dark Janza · 22-08-2007, 08:55 AM

Experience counts for a lot less than you give it in Bleach. Why else can Ichigo take down two guys that were extremely close to completing their bankais and fight an even match against two captains?

Anyway, Gin wins this one by simple anime reasoning. We have seen Tousen and another captain both use bankai and still they were beaten around by one captain, while we only saw Gin use his shikai.

Tousen has used bankai... wheras we have yet to see Gin's.

Let's analyze the fight between Hitsugaya and Gin for a moment. Yes Hitsugaya was beating him at that point, but Gin was smart enough to know his surroundings and the other captains weakness.

Anywho, I say Gin wins this one.

DarkCerberusX · 04-10-2007, 08:08 PM

Yeah as much as I want to say that Gin would be screwed by Tosen's Bankai, I think that Gin would still win, he'd probably even see that bankai coming and not be caught by it, after which Tosen stands no chance.

Righteous Judgment · 08-10-2007, 01:35 AM

Bankai loss of senses plus Kidou would be devesting enough to take out any captain. We haven't seen gin use much of any kidou and we still haven't seen his bankai.

GiantMidget · 09-10-2007, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

Bankai loss of senses plus Kidou would be devesting enough to take out any captain. We haven't seen gin use much of any kidou and we still haven't seen his bankai.

Not if your skilled enough like kenpachi, which i think Ichimaru is as well, i don't think Aizen chose him to be his subordinate for no reason.

Janap · 19-10-2007, 12:48 AM

The only reason kenpachi did well against tousen is because he is the perfect opponent for his bankai. Hes big, tough and doesnt give a fuck, no other captain would be able to stand there and just let someone slash them up without taking heavy damage. So it would be extremely hard for anyone else to figure out how to attack.

Righteous Judgment · 19-10-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Not if your skilled enough like kenpachi, which i think Ichimaru is as well, i don't think Aizen chose him to be his subordinate for no reason.

keep in mind i said "plus" as in "Bankai loss of senses PLUS Kidou would be devesting enough to take out any captain"

Tousen didnt use a single demon arts spell while fighting Kenpachi, Tousen only used his sword given abilities. Had Tousen used his full skill set: flash steps, kidou and his bankai there is no way Kenpachi could have touched him of course that wouldn't be a very honorable way to win now would it. I can't help but feel like that was kinda of a bs fight, but honestly it wasn't the only one.

Two proficient Kidou using captains(Byakuya and Tousen) lost fights that they used little or no kidou in(respectively). It's like what the point of training yourself and mastering so many kidou abilities if your not going to use them in a high level fight and then get ur ass kicked by clowns you could have beat if you played smart.

/Tangent off
Even saying all I have said I don't feel like we have seen enough of what Gin can do to say conclusively who would win in a fight

duhduhduh · 21-10-2007, 05:31 AM

CLOSE THE THREAD!!!! nobody can say who is stronger becuase it is obvious they both took steroids in hueco mundo. Gin's bankai has not been revealed, while tosen's bankai has not been seen since he improved. No comparison can be made.

Righteous Judgment · 23-10-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by duhduhduh

CLOSE THE THREAD!!!! nobody can say who is stronger becuase it is obvious they both took steroids in hueco mundo. Gin's bankai has not been revealed, while tosen's bankai has not been seen since he improved. No comparison can be made.

you do have a good point but it doesn't mean we can't compare them shikai to shikai and factor in kidou use while using SS arc powerlevels

FlyingNimbus · 02-01-2008, 03:02 AM

Gin, no question, i mean he's completely chill and smiley the whole time. And plus as many others have already said, we've seen what Tousen can do, and it's not that impressive. I think in reality it's kind of a "below-the-belt" tactic. all he does is blind the opponent and attack, not so fun. Gin has lots of potential from what i've seen and the fact that he was chosen to be allied with Aizen in the first place says alot.

bluewingedD · 02-01-2008, 03:25 AM

just because you don't like the tatic doesn't mean gin is better. Simply put, since we haven't seen gin Banki, we can't bring that in to account, and tousens shaikai, is better then gin, and his banki would rape anyone. How is stripping someone of all their senses not impressive? That's one of the most dessestating banki's we seen. If he wasn't trying teach kenpachi a lesson, he would have beat him. But that's beside the point.

Also he was also choosen by Aizen to join up with him, and s the only person who is not effected by Aizen's shikai, so hat say even more about him.

Also, everyone talks about how Tousen lost to kenpachi, but everyone seems to forget that gin was getting his ass handed to him my Hitsugya. So until you see Gin Banki, i say he gets his smilely ass pwned.

FlyingNimbus · 02-01-2008, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewingedD

just because you don't like the tatic doesn't mean gin is better. Simply put, since we haven't seen gin Banki, we can't bring that in to account, and tousens shaikai, is better then gin, and his banki would rape anyone. How is stripping someone of all their senses not impressive? That's one of the most dessestating banki's we seen. If he wasn't trying teach kenpachi a lesson, he would have beat him. But that's beside the point.

Also he was also choosen by Aizen to join up with him, and s the only person who is not effected by Aizen's shikai, so hat say even more about him.

Also, everyone talks about how Tousen lost to kenpachi, but everyone seems to forget that gin was getting his ass handed to him my Hitsugya. So until you see Gin Banki, i say he gets his smilely ass pwned.

I missed the part where Gin got destroyed by Hitsugaya, it clearly looked to me that Hitsugaya was just getting angry and fighting him while Gin smiled and retaliated. it's not as if he got any fatal or even skin breaking blows on him. Possibly the only thing Hitsugaya did in that battle that made him look the slightest bit in the zone was make Gin's hand feel cold lol

bluewingedD · 02-01-2008, 04:41 AM

Hitsuguya froze his arm and was about to go for his whole body until gin attack that chick. Of coarse gin is smiling the entire fight his always smiling, and several times during that incounter his smile, faded away. The point is hitsuguya was in control of that entire fight until, gin atacked the dark hair girl. You go ahead and be a gin fan boy like most of the people in this thread are, but the fact still remains that gin was losing that figth when he walked away with a FROZEN arm.

gtdragon · 11-05-2008, 12:10 AM

Ichimaru all the way. When he was a kid he killed a 3rd seat from Shinji's 5th squad easily. His bankai would trump Tousen's cheap one.

bluewingedD · 13-05-2008, 04:16 AM

one tousen's banki isn't cheap, it's bad ass, and one of the most bad ass one;s we;ve seen. Just because you don't like the character, don't dis his bankai when it's clearly amazing.

2 you're obiously a tousen hater and or a gin lover, because how can you say that gin banki trumps Tousen's when YOU"VE NEVER SENN GIN"S BANKAI YOU F'IN NOOB!!!!

Blackghost164 · 13-05-2008, 05:16 AM

ya we havent seen tousen or gin's full power so there is no way to accuratly judge this one

JD · 13-05-2008, 08:18 AM

Even though it's not really possible to judge I will go with Gin first he seems that he has an shikia that is able to soot like a gun I think which means that he could be pretty affective for tousens shikia and Gin fights with his eyes closed right so his bankia is pretty ineffective but that is not really accurate.

Emblem810 · 14-05-2008, 04:27 AM

^wow thats like yelling to people i'm a noob

i'd say tousen though. Tousen's Bankai is immensly powerful and that fight with Kenpachi wasn't showing that. being in a world with no light or sound and having to fight someone is pretty damn hard. gin's shikai for what we've seen is a one shot kill, either it hits or misses. it'd be pretty damn hard to hit someone when you have no idea where they are, and if shinso misses your kinda screwed

Righteous Judgment · 14-05-2008, 04:53 AM

Besides Gin was getting pushed hard by Hitsu for us to say thatTousen would likely lose

22-08-2007, 02:40 AM	#21
bluewingedD Hunter-nin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: under your bed Posts: 2,401 My Mood: Rep Power: 11	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen ^^ where did you get that from. FOr all we know tousen has more experince then gin. Plus tousens banki will destroy gin, based on what we've seen so far. Since we don't know what gin's banki is. So until we see gin's banki my moneys on tousen, and his sick as banki. __________________

04-10-2007, 08:08 PM	#23
DarkCerberusX Academy Student Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 28 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen Yeah as much as I want to say that Gin would be screwed by Tosen's Bankai, I think that Gin would still win, he'd probably even see that bankai coming and not be caught by it, after which Tosen stands no chance. __________________ Main characters who dont b!tch and whine: Kazuma, Zaraki Kenpachi, Alucard, Yagami Light

21-10-2007, 05:31 AM	#28
duhduhduh Chuunin Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 433 Rep Power: 7	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen CLOSE THE THREAD!!!! nobody can say who is stronger becuase it is obvious they both took steroids in hueco mundo. Gin's bankai has not been revealed, while tosen's bankai has not been seen since he improved. No comparison can be made. __________________

02-01-2008, 03:02 AM	#30
FlyingNimbus Academy Student Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York Posts: 25 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen Gin, no question, i mean he's completely chill and smiley the whole time. And plus as many others have already said, we've seen what Tousen can do, and it's not that impressive. I think in reality it's kind of a "below-the-belt" tactic. all he does is blind the opponent and attack, not so fun. Gin has lots of potential from what i've seen and the fact that he was chosen to be allied with Aizen in the first place says alot. __________________

02-01-2008, 03:25 AM	#31
bluewingedD Hunter-nin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: under your bed Posts: 2,401 My Mood: Rep Power: 11	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen just because you don't like the tatic doesn't mean gin is better. Simply put, since we haven't seen gin Banki, we can't bring that in to account, and tousens shaikai, is better then gin, and his banki would rape anyone. How is stripping someone of all their senses not impressive? That's one of the most dessestating banki's we seen. If he wasn't trying teach kenpachi a lesson, he would have beat him. But that's beside the point. Also he was also choosen by Aizen to join up with him, and s the only person who is not effected by Aizen's shikai, so hat say even more about him. Also, everyone talks about how Tousen lost to kenpachi, but everyone seems to forget that gin was getting his ass handed to him my Hitsugya. So until you see Gin Banki, i say he gets his smilely ass pwned. __________________

02-01-2008, 04:41 AM	#33
bluewingedD Hunter-nin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: under your bed Posts: 2,401 My Mood: Rep Power: 11	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen Hitsuguya froze his arm and was about to go for his whole body until gin attack that chick. Of coarse gin is smiling the entire fight his always smiling, and several times during that incounter his smile, faded away. The point is hitsuguya was in control of that entire fight until, gin atacked the dark hair girl. You go ahead and be a gin fan boy like most of the people in this thread are, but the fact still remains that gin was losing that figth when he walked away with a FROZEN arm. __________________

11-05-2008, 12:10 AM	#34
gtdragon Academy Student Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen Ichimaru all the way. When he was a kid he killed a 3rd seat from Shinji's 5th squad easily. His bankai would trump Tousen's cheap one.

13-05-2008, 04:16 AM	#35
bluewingedD Hunter-nin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: under your bed Posts: 2,401 My Mood: Rep Power: 11	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen one tousen's banki isn't cheap, it's bad ass, and one of the most bad ass one;s we;ve seen. Just because you don't like the character, don't dis his bankai when it's clearly amazing. 2 you're obiously a tousen hater and or a gin lover, because how can you say that gin banki trumps Tousen's when YOU"VE NEVER SENN GIN"S BANKAI YOU F'IN NOOB!!!! __________________

13-05-2008, 05:16 AM	#36
Blackghost164 ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,650 Rep Power: 5	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen ya we havent seen tousen or gin's full power so there is no way to accuratly judge this one

13-05-2008, 08:18 AM	#37
JD Medical-nin Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In Your Mind Posts: 756 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen Even though it's not really possible to judge I will go with Gin first he seems that he has an shikia that is able to soot like a gun I think which means that he could be pretty affective for tousens shikia and Gin fights with his eyes closed right so his bankia is pretty ineffective but that is not really accurate. __________________

14-05-2008, 04:27 AM	#38
Emblem810 Chuunin Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 472 My Mood: Rep Power: 8	Re: Ichimaru vs Tousen ^wow thats like yelling to people i'm a noob i'd say tousen though. Tousen's Bankai is immensly powerful and that fight with Kenpachi wasn't showing that. being in a world with no light or sound and having to fight someone is pretty damn hard. gin's shikai for what we've seen is a one shot kill, either it hits or misses. it'd be pretty damn hard to hit someone when you have no idea where they are, and if shinso misses your kinda screwed __________________