Ichimaru vs Tousen

[kabutothespy]

i think tousen would win because he seems like hes more experienced than ichimaru.

whats your guess?

[KillMe]

nah i'd go the opposite way - i say they haven't shown anything like gins full strength - and tousen by comparison we have seen him get his bankai busted up and withing milliseconds from death

so yeah i'd say gin would take tousen - his long range weapon also gives him an advantage against a blind guy

in tousens bankai blind swinngin of his sword in an extended state ( assuming he can do taht which i am not certain of by any means ) would get tousen

[Feisar]

Yeah we heven't seen Gins full strength and we've seen him go head to head with hitsugayas Shikai with his Normal sword but the ocassional Shinsou which a shikai that turns on and off. Who knows how powerful his bankai is. Aizen chose him for a reason. Aizen chose tousen because he's blind and is the only person not affected by his illusions

[ChocolateThunder]

I don't know.

Am I the only one who thinks that there's some significance to the fact that the only person who Tousen's fought with his bankai has no reiatsu control nor a shikai and bankai? There's still a possibility that Tousen's bankai nullifies people's zanpaktous. It'd be stupid if it didn't. How would blinding a guy benefit Tousen if they had some crazy bankai with an insane attack radius like Byakuya's that could fill the entire dome slughtering Tousen? And as Kenpachi has shown, anyone who's fairly smart and quick can dodge Tousen's slashs as they cut them. In my opinion, Tousen's bankai would be useless if it didn't handicap his opponent in a way other than sight, smell, hearing and reiatsu detection.

Just some speculation on my part, granted...

[KillMe]

your saying taht by destroying the reiatsu control he destroyes there abilitie to call out there own reiatsu and unleash bankai etc? i dont know about this as aparetn from anything else it would be way overpowered

i also think that there is a clear hiarchy - aizen > gin > tousen - gin is clearly aizens most trusted sidekick and this being a anime/manga that makes him second strongest bad guy

[ChocolateThunder]

Originally Posted by KillMe

your saying taht by destroying the reiatsu control he destroyes there abilitie to call out there own reiatsu and unleash bankai etc? i dont know about this as aparetn from anything else it would be way overpowered

i also think that there is a clear hiarchy - aizen > gin > tousen - gin is clearly aizens most trusted sidekick and this being a anime/manga that makes him second strongest bad guy

It wouldn't be overpowered because Tousen only relies on swordfighting in his bankai. Notice how Tousen didn't use his shikai against Kenpachi inside of his bankai balloon. It's possible that he can't. Maybe his bankai just reduces both parties to simple swordfighting by nullifying their reiatsu. If that's the case, the victor is whoever the better fighter is, with the exception that the other person is now blind and deaf. A little overpowered, I'll admit, but Kenpachi showed that it's still possible to win in that condition.

That's the problem with Tousen's bankai: either he's overpowered against most characters or he's incredibly weak...

I hope it's the former, otherwise, he'd be a lame and pointless villain.

[miracle]

i don't think anybody can argue who's going to win. we didn't even see ichimaru's power. only thing we saw from bleach is his shikai release of shinsou.

[Janap]

Originally Posted by TheDarkAdonis45

It wouldn't be overpowered because Tousen only relies on swordfighting in his bankai. Notice how Tousen didn't use his shikai against Kenpachi inside of his bankai balloon. It's possible that he can't. Maybe his bankai just reduces both parties to simple swordfighting by nullifying their reiatsu. If that's the case, the victor is whoever the better fighter is, with the exception that the other person is now blind and deaf. A little overpowered, I'll admit, but Kenpachi showed that it's still possible to win in that condition.

That's the problem with Tousen's bankai: either he's overpowered against most characters or he's incredibly weak...

I hope it's the former, otherwise, he'd be a lame and pointless villain.

I agree. While its obvious aizen chose him bc he was not affected by his zanpaktous abilities, does anyone honestly think thats the only reason? I mean, Aizen is cocky and strong as shit. Its not like even if tousen was agasint him he couldnt take him, hes not sacred of him. So tahts not the only resaon, its obvious tousen is strong. Someone strong and cocky liek aizen does not associate with weaklings, nor does he make them his commanders.

[ost]

This is almost way too easy. Gin all the way.
Sure Tousens bankai strips you off your senses. But Gin is just THE most badass character in entire Bleach and is probably insanely strong. Gin is with Aizen cause they had a plan together. Tousen tags along cause he's blind. Besides we haven't seen Gins bankai either nor have we seen him fight seriously. He doesn't even have to open his eyes to see, which imo nullifies the greatest handicap in Tousens bankai.

[bluewingedD]

Originally Posted by endomilik

Fuk It. Ichimaru Gin > Tousen ^_^

Tousen > Always Follow Aizen and cant even talk back...only talk to aizen in formal (respect way)

Ichimaru can talk to aizen normally. does not even show that he respected aizen that much LOL

that doesn't prove anything, that's just Tousen's nature, that's the way he is, in my opinion we haven't seen the full extent of either one of these charaters, tousen is cleary stronger than they originaly shown him to be since he easily cut off GJ arm, but as it stands not much is known about ichimaur's stregth to say who's the strongest. you can't use the events that happened in SS to judge their strength, bc ichimaru was having a hard time fighting the kid captain(who almost lost to espada #6)who was weaker than GJ.

[Emblem810]

hmm.....i'd have to go with Gin

gin seems to be like aizen, only showing his true nature when he fights tough opponents, gin never showed his serious side in soul society and just seemed to play around with anyone he fights. if Gin and Tousen both improved about the same in hueco mundo, then i have a feeling that gin would be better.

[weasel flare]

ichimaru gin. theres a reason hes higher rank.and hes strong enough that he didnt have to use bankai in a fight aginst another captain. granted tousen has multiple forms of shikai(two i think) and wasnt there a second part of his bankai. either way, ichimaru was able to hold his own with the tenth captain in bankai with just sealed zampacto(sorry cant spell it) and light shikai use. i think its fair to saay that he is stronger.

[Marlie]

Originally Posted by weasel flare

ichimaru gin. theres a reason hes higher rank.and hes strong enough that he didnt have to use bankai in a fight aginst another captain. granted tousen has multiple forms of shikai(two i think) and wasnt there a second part of his bankai. either way, ichimaru was able to hold his own with the tenth captain in bankai with just sealed zampacto(sorry cant spell it) and light shikai use. i think its fair to saay that he is stronger.

Lol wut? Since when was Gin a higher rank that Tousen....they're both Captains...if anything Tousen might be higher in rank that Gin seeing as how Tousen knew Aizen back when he was a VC for the 5th Division. Tousen has long sleeves compared to Gin's haori and he's more than likely Gin's senior in time of service....and Gin did'nt hold his own against Hitugaya in Bankai....Hitsu used his Shikai....and had Gin trapped in that match and could have won if Gin did'nt aim for Hinamori. I think Tousen could win. Based off what we've seen so far unless Gin has some kinda huge Bankai that can destroy Tousen's dome....he can't win.

[Ycagel]

Originally Posted by weasel flare

ichimaru gin. theres a reason hes higher rank.and hes strong enough that he didnt have to use bankai in a fight aginst another captain. granted tousen has multiple forms of shikai(two i think) and wasnt there a second part of his bankai. either way, ichimaru was able to hold his own with the tenth captain in bankai with just sealed zampacto(sorry cant spell it) and light shikai use. i think its fair to saay that he is stronger.

Gin fought against a SHIKAI (not bankai) using Hitsugaya, and he HAD to use his own Shikai and attack Hinamori to survive... The new Tousen easily cut off Grimmjaw's arm and burned it, and his bankai just owns. We don't know anything about the new Gin or his bankai yet...
Gin and Tousen probably share the same rank (We don't know yet).

In other words... WTF?!?

[ChocolateThunder]

There's insufficient evidence on both sides so this will simply dissolve into a popularity contest.

[Haohmaru]

Originally Posted by miracle

i don't think anybody can argue who's going to win. we didn't even see ichimaru's power. only thing we saw from bleach is his shikai release of shinsou.

That is actually why this thread sucks so much. It's all pure speculation without even having enough information on the 2.
It's like asking: who's stronger? #1 Espada or Tousen. Not enough info to even start speculating.

Originally Posted by ChocolateThunder

There's insufficient evidence on both sides so this will simply dissolve into a popularity contest.

Finally somebody with a set of brains.

[Marlie]

Which it already has seeing as how most people voted Gin but Tousen has one of the most h4x Bankai's in the entire series.

[GiantMidget]

Yea but we dont know if Ichimaru also has a "h4x Bankai" Aizen didnt choose him for no reason.

[Kigga]

they followed Aizen there, not chosen.... this thread should be locked, its all assumptions and most ppl are basing this on personality and misguided info

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by Marlie

Which it already has seeing as how most people voted Gin but Tousen has one of the most h4x Bankai's in the entire series.

LOL Tousen cant even talk back to aizen? - he always call him Aizen Sama infront of him.

While Gin is acting like a normal person and doesnt even talk to aizen like always does other with "sama"

we never seen Gin bankai either.

the most hax bankai in series
- ichigo...fking speed haxxxxxxxx