Kenpachi vs. Grimmjow [spoilers]

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by votehill4pres

yea this match is much to do about nothing, why ppl want to make a case for grimm beating kenpachi is beyond me, noit was everything grimm was and better

Was noitora as fast as grimm, as agile as versatile with long range techniques? Then the above really isn't accurate. Noi's only claim to fame was that his skin was so tought that relatively few enemies could actually cut it. Of course if you face a slow unversatile opponent who is much like yourslef but can cut you well then you lose your claim to fame right away. Grimm can't afford to get cut by Ken that is true once the eye patch comes off but GJ has the speed, agility and techniques to avoid being in melee in the first place.

[Luffy_Lover13]

you have your point on that Chance, once the eye patch comes off Grimmy is going to run and play pansy, but do you think he's got the personality to make him run around like a pansy? He's the panther king. Not the little pussy cat o_o He'll be to conceited and go close, which would screw him over in the end. Besides Ken could keep dodging the long range attacks until Grimmy got tired of running. Then ti'd all be over.

[Righteous Judgment]

Ok, but that's like saying that GJ can't fight at his tactical best and because of that Ken can't lose

How is ken gonna dodge high speed attacks like Grand Rey Cero and Bala? Ken doesn't have high natural speed or a high speed movement technique all he can do is get hit.

[Insin]

Noitora was pretty much asking for it. He charged head on into every one of Kenpachi's attacks.

I don't think there's much of a difference between numbers 5 and 6

Hell, even Grimmjow said that Ulquiorra was afraid of them destroying each other.

I'd give speed to Grimmjow, and power to Noitora. However, Kenpachi seems to have equivalent, if not more power behind his sword slashes than Noitora. Noitora distributed his attacks to 6 different arms, whereas Kenpachi focused all his strength into one single spot, thus doing an obscene amount of damage to a guy who spread out his strength. I say that Grimmjow would lose, because he's way too feral and an upclose fighter. I doubt he would resist Kenpachi's taunts and speed would only go so far. Ichigo with hollow mask did not win that marginally over Grimmjow, he actually owned him somewhat.

[Luffy_Lover13]

Gran Rey Cero is a good point, it's not going to kill Ken the first time, and it's not an instant attack, after the first time Ken's not just going to sit and watch him glow the orb and wait for it to hit him. And besides, even if it did become a problem, his kendo is more powerful and can straight through it if not make it go right around the giant blast.

And as far as Balla goes. I don't really remember what that is so I'll have to get back to you on that one >_> xD

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Luffy_Lover13

Gran Rey Cero is a good point, it's not going to kill Ken the first time, and it's not an instant attack, after the first time Ken's not just going to sit and watch him glow the orb and wait for it to hit him. And besides, even if it did become a problem, his kendo is more powerful and can straight through it if not make it go right around the giant blast.

And as far as Balla goes. I don't really remember what that is so I'll have to get back to you on that one >_> xD

Bala's are the things that are 20 times faster than a cero but not as strong there is no way someone who lacks the ability to channel their own spiritual energy like ken is gonna be able to deflect a gran rei. At best Ken could cut it in two and have the two halves hit him but I don't see how that would be better.

[Luffy_Lover13]

Lol he wouldn't need to really tell cause I mean when Grimmy puts his hand out and it starts going blue well from that, Lets just say I don't think he's that stupid =]

and actually, with the size of the kendo explosion, the cero would be cut to the point where his kendo was making it go around him

[Prince Vegeta]

of course hes not that stupid but he is that crazy.
and ken doesnt need to control his spiritual pressure hes got so damn much of it.

[SHADENINJA]

I really don't think kenpachi would have an issue with the gran rei

He could easily deflect it, and even if it hit him, I don't know how much damage it would do. Not only that, he's likely fast enough to just move out of it's way

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

Bala's are the things that are 20 times faster than a cero but not as strong there is no way someone who lacks the ability to channel their own spiritual energy like ken is gonna be able to deflect a gran rei. At best Ken could cut it in two and have the two halves hit him but I don't see how that would be better.

Usually when you cut a blast in two, it goes around you, the two halves don't hit you.

And ken's raw power in kendo, mixed with his ability to take hits makes me believe he would beat grimmjow.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by ShadeNinja

I really don't think kenpachi would have an issue with the gran rei

He could easily deflect it, and even if it hit him, I don't know how much damage it would do. Not only that, he's likely fast enough to just move out of it's way

how is ken fast enough to just move out of the way Ken is known for being slow. I also don't see why you think he could deflect it either. It would obviously do serious damage. I mean ken wasn't shown getting hit with a cero and living he was shown avoiding one so that he doesn't get hit. A granrei cero is something he wouldn't likely survive

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Usually when you cut a blast in two, it goes around you, the two halves don't hit you.

I don't know how you can say usually, only one energy blast has ever been cut through in all of bleach and that was vizard bankai ichigo vs gj in karakura.

Otherwise energy attack are dodged, blocked, absorbed, or deflected if they dont hit

[Whimsy]

When gran ray does something above exactly zero damage it may become a factor in bleach on bleach fights. It's only really useful as an argument point against people that would be affected by an ordinary cero, which Ken is patently not.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Whimsy

When gran ray does something above exactly zero damage it may become a factor in bleach on bleach fights. It's only really useful as an argument point against people that would be affected by an ordinary cero, which Ken is patently not.

You can't say it wouldn't have an effect on ken until one hits him and explodes. So far only two character have ever had a cero hit them directly just Luppi and Dardonie. The ceros came from different users so there is little doubt in my mind that they had very different lvls of strength.

Plus one of Hallibel's fraccion made it sound as if the act of firing off a GRC in las noches was unheard of and even obscene. I imagine the next time we see one it will be obscene.

[Blackghost164]

im gonna have to say kenpachi

i get ure cero argument chance but we know that the 5th espada is stronger than the 6th espada with that said theres no way of saying that ken wouldnt survive a cero head on, he could deflect it with his massive spirit force

[endomilik]

From my point of view.

5th Espada wasn't even stronger than Grimjaw.

Remember that everything was only decided based on abilities for ranking? Not just Brute Strength.

Grimjaw uses raw power.
Noitora only have rough skin .

But heck Cero cant do any crap. Noitora could only do Cero. While Grimjaw did a gran ray cero that able to rip through dimension.

Cero blast only do a minimum dmg. like Chao Zhu ki blast from Dragon Ball.

I think that Kenpachi will have hard time to fight grimjaw at that speed and raw power. (im not talking about reatsu). of course kenpachi have more reatsu but his power isnt equal to grimjaw.

remember that ranking are not right. look at the luppi just became a 6th espada and then grimjaw could easily killed her and luppi was born from houngyu w/e is that is.

[Blackghost164]

^ what are u saying that the 5th espada was weaker than the 6th?

that doesnt happen those rankings are based on overall strength, in the hollow world if ure able to beat someone u advance

[SHADENINJA]

@Chance Jackson:

You said that Ken was known for being slow. He isn't. That isn't stated anywhere. He just never moves a lot. he likes to test himself by allowing people to hit him. We saw him use relatively impressive speed against Shikai Ichigo,w hich means at th very least he's faster than Renji. Cero aren't especially fast, even the Gran Rei Cero is dodgable, and even if it weren't, Ken's Reiatsu is strong enough to probably allow him to survive it.

You think that grimmJow is too fast to hit, but the point is, once he releases, he's gonna come close to Kenpachi to hit him, just like he did with Ichigo. Kenpachi usually waits for people to connect, and then gores their ass into the dirt, and Grimmjow wouldn't be an exception to that pattern.

GrimmJow's lond range techniques that might work are that last one he did agaisnt Ichigo, the Gran Rei, and the projectile spikes. Gran Rei is scary, but probably not fatal for Kenpachi, and it take time to charge up. the final move Grimmjow used was also powerful, but it was slow, and easy to stop for an Ichigo with barely any power left. All you would have to do is shatter it, which ichigo would have no trouble doing. The projectile things probably wouldn't do much more damage than Tousen's shikai did.

In the end, I think it's still up in the air as to who would win