Kenpachi vs. Grimmjow [spoilers]

[Righteous Judgment]

There is next to no way that arroniro can could beat ken.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

No what he is saying is that nnoitora did not use his full skillset in that fight nor his most effective skills. Compared to GJ who probably used all of his skillset or atleast the most relevant skills. in other words nnoitora had more up his sleeves but decided not to use it in favor of GAR so the ken nnoitora fight wasn't a good showcase for nnoitora technical proficcency. We never get to see all of what nnoi can do. No doubt in my mind that if nnoitora only used against GJ the stuff he used against Ken he would lose.

nnoitora wouldnt have died during that fight if he had anything more to give he would have, all nnoitora does is try to be the strongest he isnt going to test himself, lose and not put his all into it

he's exactly like ken, he likes power but he'll use as much force as it takes to win, but he isnt one to lose by not using his full power, its ridiculous to say that ken won because the 5th espada didnt use his full force

Originally Posted by endomilik

so your saying kenpachi can defeat the 9th Espada? because Kenpachi defeated the 5th Espada....

Kenpachi wont even do anything against the 9th Espada, cuz he doesnt have any kidou spell or shikai abilities.

u cant say that for sure, if the 9th espada's technique was that unbeatable then he would be the 1st espada, we see that through shere power he can be beat, there is no evidence to say that kenpachi's massive spirit power wouldnt counter his technique

[hi its me]

endomilik, stfu and gtfo. Bleach isn't ABC especially with Kenpachi since he specializes in almost only 1 field.

Even if Nnoitra's already kicked the bucket, i don't think he showed us all his tricks. IF he did, then he's basically another Kenpachi that can Cero. If he's higher up then GJ he has to have had more then what he showed us. Unless Grimmjow was highly exaggerated.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by hi its me

endomilik, stfu and gtfo. Bleach isn't ABC especially with Kenpachi since he specializes in almost only 1 field.

Even if Nnoitra's already kicked the bucket, i don't think he showed us all his tricks. IF he did, then he's basically another Kenpachi that can Cero. If he's higher up then GJ he has to have had more then what he showed us. Unless Grimmjow was highly exaggerated.

whats ure proof that he had more up his sleeve

u said he is basically the hollow kenpachi but the biggest difference between kenpachi and nnoitra is that we know that nnoitra will do anything to win

ken enjoys to fight so he holds back using bells, and his eye patch and even one hand, but nnoitra will do whatever it takes to win, he will cheat, attack u when ure weak he doesnt care so long as he is stronger then u

if he had anything left that would have allowed him to win the fight against kenpachi he would have used it because unlike kenpachi he doesnt hold back

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

nnoitora wouldnt have died during that fight if he had anything more to give he would have, all nnoitora does is try to be the strongest he isnt going to test himself, lose and not put his all into it

he's exactly like ken, he likes power but he'll use as much force as it takes to win, but he isnt one to lose by not using his full power, its ridiculous to say that ken won because the 5th espada didnt use his full force



u cant say that for sure, if the 9th espada's technique was that unbeatable then he would be the 1st espada, we see that through shere power he can be beat, there is no evidence to say that kenpachi's massive spirit power wouldnt counter his technique

I am saying nnoi used his full physical force he was a arrogant muscle head afterall, I am saying he didn't use his full skill set. It just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't know gran rei, or sonido and yet he hadn't used either. We know he has more than gar up his sleeves yet it's all he used.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

I am saying nnoi used his full physical force he was a arrogant muscle head afterall, I am saying he didn't use his full skill set. It just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't know gran rei, or sonido and yet he hadn't used either. We know he has more than gar up his sleeves yet it's all he used.

we dont necessarily know that he has more up his sleeve

there are alot of similiarities between nnoitra and kenpachi, and i dont think that its crazy to assume that just like kenpachi they are two of the stronger captains/ espada members yet they rely mostly on their physical strength

y does nnoitra need more skills if practically no one but the ulmighty kenpachi can cut him,

just picture him the kenpachi of the espada and think about ken's position as a captain, we know that he can beat alot of the captains, he's not the strongest but he's not the weakest, pretty close to the number 5 outa 10 espada id say yet he has basically nothing but incredible spirit force, physical strength and no one can cut him

nnoitra is the same he doesnt need anything more than what he's shown to be the number 5 espada

[gmulis]

Originally Posted by Chance Jackson

I am saying nnoi used his full physical force he was a arrogant muscle head afterall, I am saying he didn't use his full skill set. It just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't know gran rei, or sonido and yet he hadn't used either. We know he has more than gar up his sleeves yet it's all he used.

what makes u thing he doesn't know sonido or gran rei. grimm said only espada arrancars are capable of doing grand rei, and guess what what Nnoi is/was an espada. just because a fighter same abiltiy in every fight doesn't mean they are only limited to thoose ability

[Blackghost164]

^ chance is arguing that nnoitra could use those abilities and that he was defeated before he got the opportunity

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

we dont necessarily know that he has more up his sleeve

there are alot of similiarities between nnoitra and kenpachi, and i dont think that its crazy to assume that just like kenpachi they are two of the stronger captains/ espada members yet they rely mostly on their physical strength

y does nnoitra need more skills if practically no one but the ulmighty kenpachi can cut him,

just picture him the kenpachi of the espada and think about ken's position as a captain, we know that he can beat alot of the captains, he's not the strongest but he's not the weakest, pretty close to the number 5 outa 10 espada id say yet he has basically nothing but incredible spirit force, physical strength and no one can cut him

nnoitra is the same he doesnt need anything more than what he's shown to be the number 5 espada

Nell could cut Nnoi so I am sure 6 and up can

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by hi its me

endomilik, stfu and gtfo. Bleach isn't ABC especially with Kenpachi since he specializes in almost only 1 field.

Even if Nnoitra's already kicked the bucket, i don't think he showed us all his tricks. IF he did, then he's basically another Kenpachi that can Cero. If he's higher up then GJ he has to have had more then what he showed us. Unless Grimmjow was highly exaggerated.

Im not doing ABC.

If I was doing ABC then kenpachi would defeat every Espada 6th to 10th espada.

But since Kenpachi doesnt have any Kidou spell or Shikai abilities, Kenpachi would not stand a chance against 9th Espada.


That is not a ABC....

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

u cant say that for sure, if the 9th espada's technique was that unbeatable then he would be the 1st espada, we see that through shere power he can be beat, there is no evidence to say that kenpachi's massive spirit power wouldnt counter his technique

Because other espada know shikai and kidou spell, that make them advantage over the 9th espada also.

but we are talking kenpachi who doesnt have any kidou or shikai abilities.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by endomilik

Im not doing ABC.

If I was doing ABC then kenpachi would defeat every Espada 6th to 10th espada.

But since Kenpachi doesnt have any Kidou spell or Shikai abilities, Kenpachi would not stand a chance against 9th Espada.


That is not a ABC....



Because other espada know shikai and kidou spell, that make them advantage over the 9th espada also.

but we are talking kenpachi who doesnt have any kidou or shikai abilities.

No espada has displayed any form of kidou, plus they dont have shikai abilities, they simply return to their previous state when the release their sword.


I also dont think arroniro would cause any problems for ken.

[gmulis]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

^ chance is arguing that nnoitra could use those abilities and that he was defeated before he got the opportunity

it doesn't matter. defeat is defeat. he had all opportunity to kill can but couldn't

if ken had been serious and used both arms from the get go, you might have an arguement but he didn't, he let himself open and Nnoit couldn't do shit

quit finding excuses for that loser

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by endomilik

Because other espada know shikai and kidou spell, that make them advantage over the 9th espada also.

but we are talking kenpachi who doesnt have any kidou or shikai abilities.

they dont know kidou or have shika abilities, also Leroy's released form allows him to control 50 things including peoples limbs, since nnoitra only has a head, torso, 2 legs, and six arms, thats 10 limbs total which is easily within Leroy's capabilities

even if he could use a cero or some sort of technique he wouldnt be able to if he was completly controlled so there has to be some other way to beat that technique, and using common sense id say its with pure spirit force since the espada all show significant increases in spiritual power as their number increases thats the only common factor of how Leroy's ability could have been broken

Originally Posted by gmulis

what makes u thing he doesn't know sonido or gran rei. grimm said only espada arrancars are capable of doing grand rei, and guess what what Nnoi is/was an espada. just because a fighter same abiltiy in every fight doesn't mean they are only limited to thoose ability

Originally Posted by gmulis

it doesn't matter. defeat is defeat. he had all opportunity to kill can but couldn't

if ken had been serious and used both arms from the get go, you might have an arguement but he didn't, he let himself open and Nnoit couldn't do shit

quit finding excuses for that loser

ure two quotes are very contradicting, can u clarify ure position

[endomilik]

actually Kidou = spells.

what do you call cero? of course its a spell right.

so the other espada have stronger spell and bodies compare to 9th espada. but the 9th espada is unique due to it can control your body unless u use some spell to remove it.

actually they have shikai. when espada release their zanpatkou that is their shikai

[gmulis]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

ure two quotes are very contradicting, can u clarify ure position

the 1st quate . i was adressing chance jackson that Nnoitora can use grand rei ( its an espada exclusive attack) and nnoitora happens to be an espada. sonido, he can perform its not his style.

2nd quato. my point is that just because you have all these attacks doesn't make you better than a person who has one attack. for example, grim had more arsenal than ichigo but still lost. according to you (atleast thats what u are implying) is that the more attacks you have at you disposal , that makes you better and if you lose its because you didn't use them......c'mon thats like going in an exam, u fail it and say u didn't study you materials

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by gmulis

the 1st quate . i was adressing chance jackson that Nnoitora can use grand rei ( its an espada exclusive attack) and nnoitora happens to be an espada. sonido, he can perform its not his style.

2nd quato. my point is that just because you have all these attacks doesn't make you better than a person who has one attack. for example, grim had more arsenal than ichigo but still lost. according to you (atleast thats what u are implying) is that the more attacks you have at you disposal , that makes you better and if you lose its because you didn't use them......c'mon thats like going in an exam, u fail it and say u didn't study you materials

i dont know if anyone is arguing that the more technique's u have the stronger u are, i think that people are arguing that nnoitra had more power that he didnt get to use

but in my opinion the more techniques u have the more versatile u are and ultimantly the more battles u can win

Originally Posted by endomilik

actually Kidou = spells.

what do you call cero? of course its a spell right.

so the other espada have stronger spell and bodies compare to 9th espada. but the 9th espada is unique due to it can control your body unless u use some spell to remove it.

actually they have shikai. when espada release their zanpatkou that is their shikai

cero isnt kidou or shiginami could use it

as far as we know it is just a huge blast of spirit energy

also they dont have a shikai they have a released form, which is just their normal form

u might be right and the espada might have kidou like technique's since Leroy's technique was foiled by byakuya using kidou and he said that Leroy's technique was like kidou but we havent seen any of the other espada use anything like that yet

[stiffy]

Kenpachi will win, with his eyepatch on and stuff, maybe the chances of winning is low. but once he take out them out, kenpachi can sure fight like hell. I have not read the manga so my point is solely from the anime, kenpachi love to fight, the stronger the enemy are, the happier he is. lets face it, he is a monster.

Grimmjow on the other hand pretty much lose to Ichigo.