Toushiro vs. Ichigo

[Anbukakashi14]

Who would win Toushiro or Ichigo? Ichigo doesn't get his hollow powers, just Bankai.

[Azn]

Do you not recognize Ichigo's massive power?
Ichigo has reiatsu rivaling Kenpachi, speed rivaling Byakuya, and though thats pretty much all he has, that will destroy hitsugaya

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by Azn

Do you not recognize Ichigo's massive power?
Ichigo has reiatsu rivaling Kenpachi, speed rivaling Byakuya, and though thats pretty much all he has, that will destroy hitsugaya

actually ichigo speed isn't on Byakuya rivaly level. hell byakuya is even way faster than ichigo, ichigo with hollow power his speed are just match against Grimjaw?.

while we seen the #10 whos da faster among espada was just speed blitz by byakuya

anyway its no "HOLLOW" power. who knows we havent seen Tishue on the battle field yet.

[votehill4pres]

^u mean 6 not 10, 10 is some shit he is gonna be a sacrifice to show just how power yammato is when the flashback end, probably gets own by a finger or something

anyways up to bankai ichigo i would say the little captain takes this, but pass that level i am not sure he is strong enough yet, but yea bankai level he can match ichigo anyday and outclass him, i know movies aint cannon but i saw the newest one with hitsu in it, and he was almost toying with bankai ichigo, it was a good fight, i didnt understand what they were saying but yea ichigo was hurting

[Bushido Brown]

Originally Posted by endomilik

while we seen the #10 whos da faster among espada was just speed blitz by byakuya

You mean #7 and the whole fastest sonido comment was a self given title.

Ichigo's overall speed is still much higher than Byakuya though Byakuya's travel speed may be higher thx to that haxed technique

Still I'll give this fight to Ichigo though Toshiro will provide more than a bit of trouble.

Fortunately for Hitsugaya, Ichigo doesn't have Kidou in his arsenal unfortunately for Hitsugaya, who does have Kidou, Kidou is useless in high speed fights unless you can restrict the movement of the enemy.

[endomilik]

saying kidou is useless in high speed fight

then we have this byakuya vs sonido freak who was given the fastest among espada and byakuya using kidou on their fight?

byakuya vs bankai ichigo. did u just saw on their fight. Ichigo notice it that byakuya speed was par against bankai ichigo?.

[Kataklyzm]

endo, stop making up bull like Byakuya is way faster than Ichigo. Ichigo's speed is so fast that Byakuya (who said that Ichigo literally vanished from his sight) couldn't even react to him. Even when Ichigo slowed due to his inexperience at Bankai, he couild still easily keep up with him. To this day, we've never seen (at least explicitly) Ichigo go to his max speed. His reiatsu is insanely high, so much so that it is enough to compete with Kenpachi's (we don't even have to go into his garganchuan-sized sized reiatsu).

Ichigo lacks Kido and finese in reiatsu control (It has been shown several times that he can control his reiatsu to a fair extent), but his strength in other fields more than make up for his "fatal flaws". I'm not panning Toushiro, he a captain-level shinigami, and isn't called a genius for nothing, but I honestly don't think he can win.

[endomilik]

Kataklyzm,

1.) Bankai Ichigo vs Grimjaw *He did not even released* yet. Guess what? Grimjaw speed was able to match up Bankai Ichigo.

2.) Watch the fight again. Even Byakuya could have kill Bankai Ichigo. GUESS what. HE had help from HOLLOW.

I never made any shit, because on manga that guy who was the fastest among the espada group was just outrun by Byakuya speed blitz technique that been taught by Yorouichi.

Guess what, Ichigo never learned any Speed Blitz Technique, like Byakuya said the only reason Bankai Ichigo is fast because the Bankai he take all the bankai power and compress it into a small condense form. Then he use the power of bankai to perform a hyper speed combat.

Take a good look of it when Byakuya release his true form of bankai. He was faster than Ichigo bankai LOL!.

[Kataklyzm]

Dude, are you completely retarded? You're treating Byakuya like he's the friggin' god of speed or something. So Grimm could keep up with Ichigo... so what? If anything, that means he's in the same leauge, if not beyond (especially when released) Byakuya. Byakuya was barely keeping up against the 8th Espada, and it was only because he used Yoruichi's technique that he was able to avoid being stabbed through the back.

Chapter 299, P 18

Ichigo could have easily killed Bankai Byakuya from the start.

Chapter 162, P 18

Guess what, he decided not to. Lucky Byakuya.

Chapter 163, P 4

Byakuya couldn't outspeed Ichigo with flash steps or Bankai in their last fight because Ichigo's Bankai made him faster, or don't you remember?

Chapter 163, P 1
Chapter 163, P 2
Chapter 162, P 12

Ichigo's inexperience caused his to gradually slow down, but even then Ichigo could still move faster than Byakuya. He still never used his speed to the max level.

Chapter 165, P 7

Byakuya had to get him into a blade-lock, then stab his foot to deal a fatal blow.

Chapter 165, P 10
Chapter 165, P 11
Chapter 165, P 12

Ichigo was never outdone in speed by Byakuya. I honestly can't see your reasoning. One of your own points hurt your already weak argument: Byakuya's explination of Ichigo's speed. That was when Byakuya figured out how Ichigo was going faster than him.

Chapter 163, P 19
Chapter 163, P 20

[endomilik]

Again see the TRUE FORM of Byakuya Bankai. Ichigo would have been dead.

And Ichigo Bankai only have speed. + using hollow powers to power his ass.

While Byakuya = no hollow powers. uses technique and abilties and kidou = owned Ichigo.


Why not make Byakuya a damn vaizard? and see if u can complain that Ichigo Bankai speed was nothing.


a bankai ichigo speed is just par on grimjaw speed.

Heck u even read the manga where the fastest among espada = have no match against byakuya speed.

[Goraishi]

I take it endomilik can never accept that Ichigo's bankai's speed was decreasing due to Ichigo's inexperience with Bankai. Allowing for Byakuya to get more hits in. Also, there is no 'true form' as to the sword due to being able to take on more than one form. Each with different advantages and disadvantages over the others.

[Naima]

I agree with Kaza... because ichigo's bankai's power allows him to go hyper-speed combat, even it is faster than anyone who achieved highest speed ever.

I think Ichigo will win, Toushiro will not able to keep up that speed. Also he has Getshou Tenshu, it can literally rip through Toushiro's bankai,

In stated, Urahara's Blood Mist Shield slightly eroded when ichigo unleashed Getshou Tenshu, if Urahara HAVEN'T used shield, he could lost arm. So Urahara is stronger than toushiro, means Ichigo is waaaay too strong for tourshiro to deal with.

[Bushido Brown]

Originally Posted by endomilik

saying kidou is useless in high speed fight

then we have this byakuya vs sonido freak who was given the fastest among espada and byakuya using kidou on their fight?

byakuya vs bankai ichigo. did u just saw on their fight. Ichigo notice it that byakuya speed was par against bankai ichigo?.

byakuya didn't use kidou until leroy threw away his speed so i will be staying with my comment

[Doke]

actually he did.. he shoot a lightning on him..

[Righteous Judgment]

which missed thx to Leroy's high speed only solidifying my argument that kidou is near useless in a high speed fight.

[hi its me]

There should be a sticked thread telling everyone to ignore endomilik's retarded posts...

Personally I'd say, unless Ichigo had the mask, Hitsugaya would take this. Ichigo still has barely got anywhere with his Bankai, the only improvement we've seen as of yet is that he can now fight without his bones cracking. Plus Hitsugaya is alot more tactical and has more diversity in abilities in comparison to Ichigo. Ichigo does has a massive speed advantage but all he can do is slash, hack, dodge, Getsuga Tenshou, slash, hack, dodge etc.

[Dark Janza]

Well, Ichigo is an idiot. All it would take would be Ichigo thinking he had won and then "Whoops I just got frozen because their is a bunh of moisture in the air and he froze it around me while I wasn't paying attention."

[aDhDvictim]

Originally Posted by Xaphan

Do you not recognize Ichigo's massive power?
Ichigo has reiatsu rivaling Kenpachi, speed rivaling Byakuya, and though thats pretty much all he has, that will destroy hitsugaya

agreed but i hope the movie will explain some more with explicit fights, because i have seen scenes with ichigo and toushiro... hehe.

[Uryu Quincy]

I say Toshiro would win, all he has to do is use banki before Ichigo does.

[aDhDvictim]

Originally Posted by Uryu Quincy

I say Toshiro would win, all he has to do is use banki before Ichigo does.

lol, but ichigo is on the same level of zaraki's strength and byaku (forget how to spell it) speed... or prlly even higher... pplus he mastered it in less that a week... nehow... i think it'd still go on fair with ichigo in some ways... who knows.