Aizen a vizard?

EternalAgony · 02-09-2008, 11:48 PM

Do you guys think Aizen, Gin, and tousen are vizards? they would just need to go through hollowfication and beat their inner hollow. And would make sense since tousen looked like a scrub agaisnt Ken in soul society.

Sry if this is a repeat.

Hatake_Kakashi_Sensei · 02-09-2008, 11:51 PM

i dont think aizen would want to do that to himself. of course having the powers would make him more god like

NarutoSamaman · 03-09-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatake_Kakashi_Sensei

i dont think aizen would want to do that to himself. of course having the powers would make him more god like

to me the only thing which says they are likely to be vizards is- they are gonna get raped in the war if they ain't as it looks like Shinji is joining the fray soon, and if Urahara and co join it'll be an ass whooping. But evidence wise- when they move from earth to Hueco mundo its done with ease rather than the long winded method Urahara has had to come up with.

Maybe Kubo just forgot about the details and the contradiction but it seems unlikely that Aizen and the other espada could know of a technique that even Urahara is unaware of to open the gate between earth and Hueco Mundo and to me its only possible if its a technique Urahara is not capable of because he doesn't have hollow powers.

Rurouni272000 · 03-09-2008, 01:37 AM

Considering that Aizen went on a rant about how he had reached the peak of his power as a Shinigami but that there was a way to surpass those limits and become even stronger, yes I think it is fairly likely that he used the Hogyoku on himself and the others.

nozferah2 · 03-09-2008, 01:59 AM

Now, considering the fact that Hollowfication is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and irreversible.

That is enough reason for me to believe that Aizen has not used the Houg on himself.. it would be too much of a risk to his plans..

I actually think that's why Gin actually consented to join Aizen. If anyone Gin is the Vizard.

The possibilites could be a last minute, desperation choice, when Aizen's is cornered, he busts out the Houg on himself and escapes in a crazy God-like rampage.

Rurouni272000 · 03-09-2008, 04:48 AM

Remember what Aizen said right before he got busted and fled to HM? He was talking about his own personal limits and attaining new heights, gaining enough power to stand in the heavens. Yes, he may have been referring to the King's Dimension and all that, but if there is a way to obtain more power and Aizen knows how to do it, he's going to f-ing do it.

And it doesn't matter in the least that Hollowfication is supposedly dangerous, he's Aizen. He's not stupid, and he's not afraid of shit. He's not afraid of being taken over by a Hollow, he has no doubt that he wil conquer that inner Hollow and become twice as powerful as he is now. He is Aizen, he is a scientist; he is not going to be dissuaded from something because it might be dangerous. He'll test it until he's convinced it will work, and then use it on himself. At least that's how I see it goin down.

JD · 03-09-2008, 05:23 AM

Well I think that either gin or tousen could vizard but ot aizen it seems to dirty for him since we've seen him every thing has been nice and clean with him. Becoming a vizard might make him stronger but that might not be the power he looking for and like what has already been said its a big risk espacially after seeing what it did to the others first hand.

nozferah2 · 03-09-2008, 05:24 AM

The fact that he has a scientific mind makes it even less likly he'd try it on himself first.

Especially since he has no idea how the hollofication was actually reversed. The consequences are fatal. If his hollow side took over, he would loose every single skill set he has learned and worked for. Ho ho, Kidou, all shinigami powers would be lost, a huge step back for him..

That's why I said it would be more likely to Hollofy Tousen or Gin, Gin woule be more willing to be the test subject I think. If Tousen or Gin are successful, he gets data from them and does it himself.

Gathan · 03-09-2008, 05:38 AM

I would say its very unlikely that Aizen is a vizard, due to the simple fact that if he went inner hollow everybody in SS would be dead already and we wouldn't have to worry about the winter war

Rurouni272000 · 03-09-2008, 06:42 AM

Who said anything about Aizen testing it on himself first? He obviously knows that it works on Hollow, and I'm sure he used it on Gin and Tousen before himself. But once he saw that it worked, do you really think that he'd refuse to use it on himself because he was scared? That's bull.

Why do you think he was doing Hollowfication experiments way back then?

Why do you think he was ranting on about his own limits and surpassing them if he wasn't planning on doing just that?

Why would he create an army of Arrancar using the Hogyoku but not do the same to himself?

Look, I'm not saying for sure that he DOES have Hollow powers, all I'm trying to get at is that it would make perfect sense if he did. I think he does, personally, but I wouldn't be heart broken if I was wrong. It just makes sense to me that someone like Aizen, saying what Aizen said and doing what Aizen does, would indeed use the Hogyoku on himself to surpass the limits he was talking about before leaving SS.

Righteous Judgment · 03-09-2008, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

Who said anything about Aizen testing it on himself first? He obviously knows that it works on Hollow, and I'm sure he used it on Gin and Tousen before himself. But once he saw that it worked, do you really think that he'd refuse to use it on himself because he was scared? That's bull.

Why do you think he was doing Hollowfication experiments way back then?

Why do you think he was ranting on about his own limits and surpassing them if he wasn't planning on doing just that?

Why would he create an army of Arrancar using the Hogyoku but not do the same to himself?

Look, I'm not saying for sure that he DOES have Hollow powers, all I'm trying to get at is that it would make perfect sense if he did. I think he does, personally, but I wouldn't be heart broken if I was wrong. It just makes sense to me that someone like Aizen, saying what Aizen said and doing what Aizen does, would indeed use the Hogyoku on himself to surpass the limits he was talking about before leaving SS.

I gotta agree

Aizen has the means, intelligence and desire to have Hollow powers so it wont be much of a surprise if he does have them chances are he'll have the most amazing looking hollow mode probably with angelic wings n shit

Janap · 04-09-2008, 12:32 AM

He has already successfully tested it on 8 shinigami. He knows it works and he wouldnt doubt his own a bility to conquer his inner hollow. Hes to egotistical for that.

I say there is a good good chance he and the others are vizards.

It would also make it easier to believe a bunch of hollow following a shinigamis orders, if that shinigami was half hollow.

cmanatjc34 · 05-09-2008, 09:20 PM

i think that aizen hasnt used it because of now no one really knows his true strength. even though he said that he is at his limit for his shinigami powers it might just mean that he had a huge limit to fill. greater than any other shinigamis. but if he were to use the hogyoku on himself then im sure no one would stop him

likoftw! · 06-09-2008, 09:09 AM

It can also mean aizen might of gone another way instead of becoming a hollow something different. Something to do with vastolords

Righteous Judgment · 06-09-2008, 09:07 PM

It's not like Aizen can become a Vastolorde all Aizen can do is recruit them Arrancared Vastos lead by Hollowed Hax Captains would wreck anyone

Annihilation · 07-09-2008, 04:41 AM

What about the early talk about waiting for the houg to hit full developement. I remember something about using it on someone with twice the reitsu of a normal captain when it hit 100%. I'm pretty sure he was talking about himself and that the Espada are basically just his test subjects. That would make a lot of sense. Though I could be entirely wrong as I do have tarnished memories of the discussion.

Rurouni272000 · 07-09-2008, 05:37 PM

^ That's actually a good point; it is likely that Aizen could be waiting for the Hogyoku to fully awaken before he uses it on himself or Gin or Tousen.

Lord Namvel · 07-09-2008, 07:03 PM

i think aizen is a vastlorde. that's just me.

Righteous Judgment · 07-09-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Namvel

i think aizen is a vastlorde. that's just me.

If he is anything but A shinigami from SS then he must be a hellion

gmulis · 07-09-2008, 08:43 PM

kubo has created a perfect villain with no weaknesses, adding another power would be overkill at this time. aizen is the best tactician/ thinker, has twice the raitsu of captain, has mastered all areas of shinigami combat, a scientist, probably best army too and it will get better when he recruits VL, lets not even talk about his SWORD.

only way i see him attaining another hollow powers is if, they introduce other more powerful characters that will force aizen to compete with or if kubo exposes a weakness in aizen that requires him to cover it up by gaining hollow powers, because currently his miles ahead of everyone

02-09-2008, 11:48 PM	#1
EternalAgony Genin Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 57 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Aizen a vizard? Do you guys think Aizen, Gin, and tousen are vizards? they would just need to go through hollowfication and beat their inner hollow. And would make sense since tousen looked like a scrub agaisnt Ken in soul society. Sry if this is a repeat.

03-09-2008, 01:37 AM	#4
Rurouni272000 ANBU Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mexi--I mean, Hueco Mundo Posts: 1,375 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: Aizen a vizard? Considering that Aizen went on a rant about how he had reached the peak of his power as a Shinigami but that there was a way to surpass those limits and become even stronger, yes I think it is fairly likely that he used the Hogyoku on himself and the others. __________________

03-09-2008, 01:59 AM	#5
nozferah2 Medical-nin Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 504 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Aizen a vizard? Now, considering the fact that Hollowfication is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and irreversible. That is enough reason for me to believe that Aizen has not used the Houg on himself.. it would be too much of a risk to his plans.. I actually think that's why Gin actually consented to join Aizen. If anyone Gin is the Vizard. The possibilites could be a last minute, desperation choice, when Aizen's is cornered, he busts out the Houg on himself and escapes in a crazy God-like rampage.

03-09-2008, 04:48 AM	#6
Rurouni272000 ANBU Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mexi--I mean, Hueco Mundo Posts: 1,375 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: Aizen a vizard? Remember what Aizen said right before he got busted and fled to HM? He was talking about his own personal limits and attaining new heights, gaining enough power to stand in the heavens. Yes, he may have been referring to the King's Dimension and all that, but if there is a way to obtain more power and Aizen knows how to do it, he's going to f-ing do it. And it doesn't matter in the least that Hollowfication is supposedly dangerous, he's Aizen. He's not stupid, and he's not afraid of shit. He's not afraid of being taken over by a Hollow, he has no doubt that he wil conquer that inner Hollow and become twice as powerful as he is now. He is Aizen, he is a scientist; he is not going to be dissuaded from something because it might be dangerous. He'll test it until he's convinced it will work, and then use it on himself. At least that's how I see it goin down. __________________

03-09-2008, 05:23 AM	#7
JD Medical-nin Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In Your Mind Posts: 730 My Mood: Rep Power: 6	Re: Aizen a vizard? Well I think that either gin or tousen could vizard but ot aizen it seems to dirty for him since we've seen him every thing has been nice and clean with him. Becoming a vizard might make him stronger but that might not be the power he looking for and like what has already been said its a big risk espacially after seeing what it did to the others first hand. __________________

03-09-2008, 05:24 AM	#8
nozferah2 Medical-nin Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 504 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Aizen a vizard? The fact that he has a scientific mind makes it even less likly he'd try it on himself first. Especially since he has no idea how the hollofication was actually reversed. The consequences are fatal. If his hollow side took over, he would loose every single skill set he has learned and worked for. Ho ho, Kidou, all shinigami powers would be lost, a huge step back for him.. That's why I said it would be more likely to Hollofy Tousen or Gin, Gin woule be more willing to be the test subject I think. If Tousen or Gin are successful, he gets data from them and does it himself.

03-09-2008, 05:38 AM	#9
Gathan ANBU Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,560 Rep Power: 9	Re: Aizen a vizard? I would say its very unlikely that Aizen is a vizard, due to the simple fact that if he went inner hollow everybody in SS would be dead already and we wouldn't have to worry about the winter war

03-09-2008, 06:42 AM	#10
Rurouni272000 ANBU Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mexi--I mean, Hueco Mundo Posts: 1,375 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: Aizen a vizard? Who said anything about Aizen testing it on himself first? He obviously knows that it works on Hollow, and I'm sure he used it on Gin and Tousen before himself. But once he saw that it worked, do you really think that he'd refuse to use it on himself because he was scared? That's bull. Why do you think he was doing Hollowfication experiments way back then? Why do you think he was ranting on about his own limits and surpassing them if he wasn't planning on doing just that? Why would he create an army of Arrancar using the Hogyoku but not do the same to himself? Look, I'm not saying for sure that he DOES have Hollow powers, all I'm trying to get at is that it would make perfect sense if he did. I think he does, personally, but I wouldn't be heart broken if I was wrong. It just makes sense to me that someone like Aizen, saying what Aizen said and doing what Aizen does, would indeed use the Hogyoku on himself to surpass the limits he was talking about before leaving SS. __________________

05-09-2008, 09:20 PM	#13
cmanatjc34 Academy Student Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 0	Re: Aizen a vizard? i think that aizen hasnt used it because of now no one really knows his true strength. even though he said that he is at his limit for his shinigami powers it might just mean that he had a huge limit to fill. greater than any other shinigamis. but if he were to use the hogyoku on himself then im sure no one would stop him

06-09-2008, 09:09 AM	#14
likoftw! Chuunin Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 401 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Re: Aizen a vizard? It can also mean aizen might of gone another way instead of becoming a hollow something different. Something to do with vastolords __________________

07-09-2008, 04:41 AM	#16
Annihilation Genin Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Yesterday Posts: 59 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Aizen a vizard? What about the early talk about waiting for the houg to hit full developement. I remember something about using it on someone with twice the reitsu of a normal captain when it hit 100%. I'm pretty sure he was talking about himself and that the Espada are basically just his test subjects. That would make a lot of sense. Though I could be entirely wrong as I do have tarnished memories of the discussion. __________________ -Those who walk alone are only ignoring the existence of the legs they walk on.-

07-09-2008, 05:37 PM	#17
Rurouni272000 ANBU Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mexi--I mean, Hueco Mundo Posts: 1,375 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: Aizen a vizard? ^ That's actually a good point; it is likely that Aizen could be waiting for the Hogyoku to fully awaken before he uses it on himself or Gin or Tousen. __________________

07-09-2008, 07:03 PM	#18
Lord Namvel Medical-nin Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: united states of america Posts: 749 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Re: Aizen a vizard? i think aizen is a vastlorde. that's just me. __________________ "why don't we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches, mmmm? and then see how loyal a hungry dog is."

07-09-2008, 08:43 PM	#20
gmulis Medical-nin Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 810 My Mood: Rep Power: 7	Re: Aizen a vizard? kubo has created a perfect villain with no weaknesses, adding another power would be overkill at this time. aizen is the best tactician/ thinker, has twice the raitsu of captain, has mastered all areas of shinigami combat, a scientist, probably best army too and it will get better when he recruits VL, lets not even talk about his SWORD. only way i see him attaining another hollow powers is if, they introduce other more powerful characters that will force aizen to compete with or if kubo exposes a weakness in aizen that requires him to cover it up by gaining hollow powers, because currently his miles ahead of everyone