is war neccesary?

[CLAY]

Originally Posted by SEXYTIME

care to join the military navy or army then clay since you believe in war and death so much.

we could function without war if people in every government werent corrupt.

most wars are done so high ranking powers can profit.

cheney and bush are profiting right now while everyone else in the country is worse off than they were due to the recession and high gas prices and massive job cuts.

Already have. But because of my disability I was unable to serve my country. I would gladly fight the current war. You pay way too much attention to the liberal media.
All you are refering to is the current war. But look throughout history, wars have been fought over land, freedom, and even a woman. War is going to exist regardless.

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by CLAY

Justice can be done during wars.

i think you mean justified justice that was made up by victor about his own dirty deeds 'couse he doesn't like to feel bad about himself nor he likes to think himself evil. Honestly clay I don't think bombing someones home or poisoning some ones land with "agent orange" will provide any justice , in either direction .


any ways i forgot to mention in last post : but the way we are going it does seem like war is a necessity ; so much was build on war and all the violent media mixed with fear , completion on the global scale and etc ...doesn't make people any more peaceful .


lol yeah sexytime , war is terrorism .... derived from word terror , when killing starts there's a load of people who could've use diapers ..or just soap . :p

[SEXYTIME]

war isnt neccessary but bush jr loves to go to war and he profits off of the wars along with cheney and his hali burton.

in fact i predict war with iran or north korea before our new president is in office.

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by SEXYTIME

war isnt neccessary but bush jr loves to go to war and he profits off of the wars along with cheney and his hali burton.

in fact i predict war with iran or north korea before our new president is in office.

ehhh korea is a different story , first they got nothing besides herds of starving Koreans . and second no one whnats that herd of starving Koreans on their land (unlike oil).If war starts guess what ? starving koreans will become starving refugees trying to get into your country , and believe me neither china or south korea wants that herd of starving refugees to deal with . America will meet some hardcore opposition about that kind of liberation (which ironically enough would be a liberation for a chance)


p.s lol @ clay

[Yung_DRASTIC]

Originally Posted by superbob

The question on hand is if war is necessary and to answer that i'll have to use a yes and also a no.

War has always been started because of a differing opinion or a desire for something that you, a country, don't have that another country does. In the past, BCE times, wars were mostly fought because of land. Someone had a really fertile stretch for agriculture and another king saw that and wanted it. He would pool all his resources together and go out to conquer that other territory. Sometimes the invasion worked, sometimes it didn't, but back then, wars were all about fertile land.

Now though, the ideas and methods of war have changed. From battle formations and an all out charge at your opponents with the outcome of one major battle being the deciding factor behind the war, you've got small skirmishes and conflicts that involved a small force against a small force. The ideas behind going to war have also somewhat changed. A war for resources still applies, ex. Operation Iraqi Liberation/Freedom, while wars over differing opinions also happen, ex. Vietnam and while there was no actual conflict, the Cold War.

Some of the reasons for going to war have changed while others have stayed. Wars started out because of a need of a certain resource and you didn't want to trade for it so you conquered the region that held it instead to the religious holy wars of the crusades to the modern fight for freedom.

So as long as people continued to be governed by different ideas, then there will always be war. Is it a necessity? No, but wars will not stop until humans are governed by the same ideas.

I agree with you greatly to a certain degree, I'd know, I been in combat and watch how simple opinions and ideas lead to carnage and bloodshed by those with great ambitions and admirations. But war is sometimes nessesary! One word, "Liberation!" Many surpressed nations and people came together and fought wars to pursue freedom, and the right practice religion of their own faith, i.e. the Isreali's, Americans, Armanian's and the list goes on. They all declared war, because the peaceful solution was no where to be found. How can sit down and peace talks with a society thats fuel with Greed and Hate! It just comes down to self-defense on an un-Godly scale. I'm not justifing that all war is a nessesary. Im just sayin' don't judge everything as just black and white.

[xpack67]

Is war necessary? No.

Inevitable? Yes.

There are way to many people in this world with way to many differences for us to realistically be at peace.

[superbob]

Originally Posted by Yung_DRASTIC

I agree with you greatly to a certain degree, I'd know, I been in combat and watch how simple opinions and ideas lead to carnage and bloodshed by those with great ambitions and admirations. But war is sometimes nessesary! One word, "Liberation!" Many surpressed nations and people came together and fought wars to pursue freedom, and the right practice religion of their own faith, i.e. the Isreali's, Americans, Armanian's and the list goes on. They all declared war, because the peaceful solution was no where to be found. How can sit down and peace talks with a society thats fuel with Greed and Hate! It just comes down to self-defense on an un-Godly scale. I'm not justifing that all war is a nessesary. Im just sayin' don't judge everything as just black and white.

The whole point behind my post was to state that until we are unified as a species, then there will be no end to the wars. As long as there are different populaces governed by different ideas, then no matter what there will be conflict.

War isn't necessary, and really, it never has been, but it's also currently unavoidable.

[GaaranGaara]

No, no, no! War is wrong and is not acceptable.

However the only time I feel that it is justified to go bang bang on another human being is when they have invaded YOUR homeland. Because what else can you do at that point? Will you say? "Oh well, ravage the land, take everything and kill us while you are doing it." No, then you must fight for your home also for those that you love.

Waging war in the name of religion and/or greed is a no, no for me.

Also any wars for a "good cause" is a load of bull**it!

edit: Therefore it isn't neccesary.

[MaxVertigo]

War is completely unnecessary, however in a world were most people can't seem to prove their point with words, they tend to prove it with guns and ammunition. I just can't seem to understand why two nations or many nations can't just discuss things. I simple discussion in which country A tells his point of view to country B and vice-versa is much more peaceful, and I dare say efficient than war. Talking does not create victims. War, on the other hand, creates not only death but disease. It manages to destroy homes and families. It creates racism and discrimination.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by MaxVertigo

War is completely unnecessary, however in a world were most people can't seem to prove their point with words, they tend to prove it with guns and ammunition. I just can't seem to understand why two nations or many nations can't just discuss things. I simple discussion in which country A tells his point of view to country B and vice-versa is much more peaceful, and I dare say efficient than war. Talking does not create victims. War, on the other hand, creates not only death but disease. It manages to destroy homes and families. It creates racism and discrimination.

The point is to end status quo that are undesirable(Country A willfully ignores principle aspects of a ceasefire agreement and begins to build up there millitary), or avoid undesirable situations(Faction takes over a peace of land and willifully breaks away from the existing governing body) of course the results of the war will be undesirable for atleast one of the parties(The loser). They say anything worth having is worth fighting for if your not willing to fight for it than ultimately it must not be worth having.

If total capitulation to the demands of the other party occurs than at least one party will definitely end up with undesirable circumstances if compromises are made both parties will end up with circumstances that are undesirable the only question is how undesirable.


At present there are many areas/islands/lands that are disputed as to which country they belong to properly. Country A may have a formal Claim to that area while Country B occupies that area.

Assuming Millitary Force is Equal or Greater: The reason why country A (who currently isn't in control of the disputed area) doesn't attempt to end the undesirable status quo that exists between them and country B is that country A doesn't find the current status quo undesirable enough for action against country B so they live with that undesirable status quo.


Does that make sense?

[nejix321]

War isn't necessary but in some cases it's unavoidable. I personally dislike War, because it causes so much, unnecessary death. Which gives me sorrow. I feel horrible whenever I hear of 18-21+ dying overseas. It really saddens me.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by MaxVertigo

War is completely unnecessary, however in a world were most people can't seem to prove their point with words, they tend to prove it with guns and ammunition.

War is a human inevitability.

Originally Posted by MaxVertigo

I just can't seem to understand why two nations or many nations can't just discuss things. I simple discussion in which country A tells his point of view to country B and vice-versa is much more peaceful, and I dare say efficient than war.

Becuase we dont live an ideal, candyland utopia. The real world is much more confrontational and explosive.
Believing that everything can be solved through diplomacy is an idealistic pipedream.....it would be nice, dont get me wrong.....but its impractical.

Human beings are inherently animalistic, this is not a cynical opinion this is simply biology. We have the ability to coexist peacefully, but the nature of a human and many animals is surival of the fittest. Intelligence and technology aside, the most basic of instincts and behaviors when associated with war/fighting/confrontation are still prevelant in human beings today..merely now they are reflected through technological advancement, wrather than in the past, through more primitive means(rocks and sticks).

Fighting is part of what makes us human.
The best we can strive for, is minimalization of that fighting.

Besides, war is sometimes the only good course of action.
I wonder what would have happend to the jewish people, or europe itself had the allies attempted to simply negotiate with germany, while with every day of negotiation, more people were being slaughtered......and the jewish people eradicated, one concentration camp at a time.

While the bureucrats talk, they reap the rewards of their efforts through the form of death, after countless death.

[kRN x hyPE]

this is rhetorical question, lol. a topic that will have no end. But no of course war isn't necessary, thats why treaties are made and other policies to keep peace among other nations. tbh i don't know much in this area so that's my answer.

[krozar]

Like it or not, the modern world was created by war and I think the horrors of WWI played a big role in European feelings regarding war, including WWII which the countries were thrust into.

No matter what country you live in, every square meter of the land you walked on was purchased in blood. Those in the Western hemisphere fared better but there was still a lot of payment such as seen with the Trail of Tears and even the US Civil War which was bad, but necessary to unite America in the end because there was always the division, but distances and low population prevented an all out war happening earlier on.

War is evil, but it is human nature to wage war. We are dealing with a world which is a slave to the human condition. It is unnecessary if one takes out that piece of the equation. But it's an untouchable force just as pi is ~3.14...

So, in that standpoint: yes, it is necessary.

[Gaffel]

In my opinion, most of the wars/conflicts these days are a results of too many people being too greedy and too selfish. When these people also lack the ability to see things from several sides and refuse to believe the fact that it's actually possible to do mistakes yourself, conflicts arise. One thing that makes me sick, is that it looks like USA think you can solv all conflicts by giving one of the conflicting parts a hell lots of guns.

If you look at the middle east, when your own sivilisation is 2000 years old it's not allways that great to be told by people from a 200 year old sivilisation how you should live and do thins.

[ACCUNE]

I believe War is necessary to even be a "decent person" like when you fight different choices,the temptation to give up and stress within ones self.Thus the saying "Only the Strong Survives"

[Dark Janza]

War creates change. War also has an odd way of bringing people together. It is sad, but it seems like it is necessary in our world.

"What is it good for, absolutely nothing..." lol

[likoftw!]

Originally Posted by SEXYTIME

war isnt neccessary but bush jr loves to go to war and he profits off of the wars along with cheney and his hali burton.

in fact i predict war with iran or north korea before our new president is in office.

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You are totally up to date my boss told me the same thing about that issue that he said they are waiting till the presentational candidates to be done. As soon as they are done he expects the attack on Iran. Also I would like to state my point war isn't necessarily in all regards. Although I can say World War 2 was an exceptions since the Nazis were to rule the whole world (also other exceptions as some of you know). I didn't see Iraq a point to go to war. It was just excuse about the whole mass destruction weapons and the other things they mentioned. Also why fight for this country I mean I love it I truly do, but I mean people lose there life's its sad. If i had a relative go to war and die it would truly hurt me especially there being no reason for him to go (like Iraq). Not only that it also is bringing economy down we are in a huge recession people losing there jobs businesses breaking I mean this is just getting worse every day. Also yes war does control population. Other things however that can control population are birth control restrictions like abortion (yes its sad but in all honesty kids are born from stupid people that don't use protection, rape is a different story the person would mostly want an abortion since its unwanted). Also controlling how many kids you can have so on so fourth. I can go mostly that there is no need for war. Its truth that of the government wasn't corrupted we would live in a better world. They should dedicated to the future as it seems the human race might not last very long.

[Ericgamer1]

In a perfect world, war would never happen. Basically war is the by-product of there being no other meaningful alterative to solve a dispute. Nobody likes war, but if you have a large number of people, and every single one has differnet view points, beliefs, and perspectives, it's only a matter of time until fights break out. We can only take preventative mesures to keep war, but even after everything, it's impossible to keep it from ever happing.

I don't think that anyone can completely justify a decision to cause war, and I don't think that it's possible to prevent it entirely.

Just as Einstine once said, "As long as there is man, there is war."