Naruto Manga Chapter 426 discussion thread

[erosennin6996]

Originally Posted by Dussan

You may be on to something.

But if it's just a "Prophesized" coincedence that all the bodies have been encountered by Pain at one point then what is the significance of those bodies? They are reanimated corpses, what's more is that they seem to have personality akin to whatever realm they are bound too and seem able to work both independently and in perfect unison.

Excellent points. I agree with you.

Pein is the ultimate example of what other's tried like Sasori did with his "human puppets" or what Orochimaru did with Edo Tensei (A truly frightening jutsu. One minute you're resting in peace, next you're in the belly of the Death God sluggin it out for all eternity) or Kakuzu with his highjack my heart bull$#!%. Pein has perfected taking full advantage of a shinobi's skill and affinity. I bet that each zombie's brain is actively controlling the details of what each body does, while Pein only has to direct the overall intention. Same way you don't have to think about how to walk across the room, your cerebellum and medulla handle the little details of doing that so you just get up and do it. Otherwise one person couldn't control so many bodies at once so effectively. I can say this because Sasori didn't control one of his 100 puppets as good as Chiyo did one of her 10 puppets, but there were so many of them they simply wore her's down.

Originally Posted by Dussan

Jiraiya was led to believe that these bodies are not the real Pain, and that leads to us to surmise that Nagato is sitting somewhere and relaxing. Most likelyin that freaky ass tower. Most likely he is only using a fraction of chakra, like when Pain used that jutsu to animate the corpses to delay Konoha during the Gaara rescue arc.

Yeah that sounds right. I bet just as Sasori's human puppets still had their own chakra and jutsu, Pein's Zombies must have their own chakra and contribute to the pool of Pein's knowledge.

Originally Posted by Dussan

Either way it means that Nagato is a freakin beast. Cause according to Kakashi the jutsu that where being used by the dopplegangers was original and not some copy. Meaning that the real Nagato can probably do EVERYTHING the 6 realms can but with even more freaking power.

Definitely. That's why it's imperitive that Naruto develop his FULL POTENTIAL. People that want to keep him as the child that just won't quit are missing the boat. Kishi showed us that sometimes Naruto's "never give up" strength of will just isn't enough during the Sasuke fight at VOE. Other people have strength of will like Rock Lee that is just as strong as Naruto's. And you think Pein doesn't have strength of willpower? Naruto ain't going to win a fight like that without some serious improvement in his capacity for controlled violence. Pein is tactically brilliant. He has raw power and a genius at tactical combat. He never shows his hand before he has to play it. That's how he beat J-Man. That's how he beat Kakashi & Friends. That's how he'll beat Naruto if all he has by then is a never quit mentality and an Super-Duper-Ultimate Rasengan.

-Tailed Demon Fox Sage

[Dussan]

I still can't call Pain a plot no jutsu overpowered hax.

I know there is a way to defeat him, just man through and crush his ass.

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Yea definitely no plot no jutsu for Pain. They clearly hinted at the possibility that Pain had six bodies even before he ever got into that fight with Jiraiya and Jiraiya incorrectly assumed that he was done with Pain once he had put down 3 of them and let his guard down.

Jiraiya was, by all reasonable measurements, spectacular against Pain, but when you stop to think about how tough things became for Jiraiya the moment he was facing all 3 realms at the same time, causing him to momentarily retreat, it really speaks to the type of danger that Jiraiya would've found himself in were he to be in a situation where he had to take on all six at the same time. It would be a tactical nightmare.

[Seimron]

^If Pain had taken out al 6 bodies during his fight with Jiraiya all 6 would have taken out. For starters bodies like that fat one or Animal Realm won't really do anything againts Jiraiya.
Animal Realm- If Sakura has enough strength to OHKO a summon then a sage mode Jiraiya sure as hell would
Fat Pain- 1 technique per body ( as of now ) and I doubt Jiriaya would waste chakra
Hell Realm- Wouldn't be able to touch Jiraiya... Jiraiya is uber fast in sage mode I mean he dropped his sandal and before it hit the floor he had already beat the crap out of 2 pains at a time

Besides with the sound genjutsu numbers won't matter.

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by Seimron

^If Pain had taken out al 6 bodies during his fight with Jiraiya all 6 would have taken out. For starters bodies like that fat one or Animal Realm won't really do anything againts Jiraiya.
Animal Realm- If Sakura has enough strength to OHKO a summon then a sage mode Jiraiya sure as hell would
Fat Pain- 1 technique per body ( as of now ) and I doubt Jiriaya would waste chakra
Hell Realm- Wouldn't be able to touch Jiraiya... Jiraiya is uber fast in sage mode I mean he dropped his sandal and before it hit the floor he had already beat the crap out of 2 pains at a time

Besides with the sound genjutsu numbers won't matter.

jiraya was good,but u seem to be overating him....
i mean,what could he,alone,do agasnt god pain? im not talking about all six,what im saying is that alone one man would not be able to hit god pain

and they dont have one abiity per body,we've seem that fat pain can abosorve chakra and use that "killing beam"

mecha pain can do lots of stuff

god pain ,well,idk but he did show us alot

animal realm have more summons than the lame one sakura defeated

and there is no proff that genjutsu could affect them all
nor there is proof that they were ever killed and were not pretending just to get jiraya

[sikwidit]

=Sdsky;3123471]jiraya was good,but u seem to be overating him....
i mean,what could he,alone,do agasnt god pain? im not talking about all six,what im saying is that alone one man would not be able to hit god pain

u r definately overating god realm. kakashi figured out how god realms technique worked and so would jiraiya. and jiraiya had a jutsu to force god realm to use his ability and then he had the speed to connect a ultimate rasengan before he had time to do it again. so dont overtalk god realm because of what he did against kakashi a far inferior ninja to jiraiya.

and they dont have one abiity per body,we've seem that fat pain can abosorve chakra and use that "killing beam"

nothing to say about that

mecha pain can do lots of stuff

all he can do is use the weapons stacked inside his body, thats all

god pain ,well,idk but he did show us alot

the only technique god pain did was that gravity thing i dont know what manga u are reading.

animal realm have more summons than the lame one sakura defeated

thats her ability, to summon

and there is no proff that genjutsu could affect them all

it clearly did as pain said that he didnt know jiraiya could perform a genjutsu of such a high lvl.

nor there is proof that they were ever killed and were not pretending just to get jiraya

the bodies were already dead even before they started the fight. how the heck was jiraiya suppose to kill them.

[penguinism]

Originally Posted by sikwidit

the bodies were already dead even before they started the fight. how the heck was jiraiya suppose to kill them.

he wasnt, he was SUPPSOED to kill the real nagato...hence why pain said if he found out his secret earlier theres no way he woulda won

[erosennin6996]

Originally Posted by sikwidit

u r definately overating god realm. kakashi figured out how god realms technique worked and so would jiraiya. and jiraiya had a jutsu to force god realm to use his ability and then he had the speed to connect a ultimate rasengan before he had time to do it again. so dont overtalk god realm because of what he did against kakashi a far inferior ninja to jiraiya.
nothing to say about that
all he can do is use the weapons stacked inside his body, thats all

the only technique god pain did was that gravity thing i dont know what manga u are reading.

thats her ability, to summon

it clearly did as pain said that he didnt know jiraiya could perform a genjutsu of such a high lvl.

the bodies were already dead even before they started the fight. how the heck was jiraiya suppose to kill them.

I think you're absolutely right about J-Man beating God-Realm. He probably could have beat all six Pein's if he would've known what he was fighting from the beginning. Plus if he would've taken more care when he thought he'd won he wouldn't have been critically injured as he was. That was the first time Pein scored a direct hit on J-Man and it was a big one since it severely limited his jutsu and left him critically wounded. Given what he already new about the Akatsuki members Konoha had faced up till then, only Itachi and Deidre were known not to be Immortal, while every other Akatsuki member had some form of Immortality. Orochimaru was a former member that was the first clue. Sasori was the second clue. Kakuzu and Hidan more clues. By the time you get to Pein who's their leader you have to expect he has something up his sleeve. If Jiraiya would have totally destroyed those three bodies with an Ultimate Rasengan instead of stabbing them with some oversized swords, he might still be alive. At least he'd have had a fighting chance against 3 Pein Zombies. Fukasaku should train Naruto tactically to always eradicate Pein Zombies after they're seemingly subdued with a Fuuton Rasen Shuriken so that their chakra network is obliterated and they can't use jutsu. Or completely destroy their bodies in some other way.

[penguinism]

out of curiousity why was this unstickied if theres no spoiler topic up yet? O_O

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Originally Posted by Seimron

^If Pain had taken out al 6 bodies during his fight with Jiraiya all 6 would have taken out. For starters bodies like that fat one or Animal Realm won't really do anything againts Jiraiya.
Animal Realm- If Sakura has enough strength to OHKO a summon then a sage mode Jiraiya sure as hell would
Fat Pain- 1 technique per body ( as of now ) and I doubt Jiriaya would waste chakra
Hell Realm- Wouldn't be able to touch Jiraiya... Jiraiya is uber fast in sage mode I mean he dropped his sandal and before it hit the floor he had already beat the crap out of 2 pains at a time

Besides with the sound genjutsu numbers won't matter.

I'm not saying Jiraiya wouldn't be capable of doing something that insane, but you are making it sound way too easy. How in god's name does Jiraiya beat all six bodies at once when one of those six bodies is capable of absorbing some of his most powerful techniques as if they were childs play? That's doing a whole lot. He even managed to do this with a 3 man combo jutsu from pa, ma and jiraiya himself.

The fat pain surely has some offensive capabilities, even if just Taijutsu -- and even if his role is purely defense with no offense, Jiraiya still has something to be concerned about. God realm is a problem with ability that he has and we can't just assume this or that realm wouldn't be able to catch Jiraiya because we've seen so little of the other realm capabilities. I don't doubt the possibility of Jiraiya figuring out the technique, but how exactly do you exploit it with 5 other shinobis right there creating major problems for you? No way Hell Realm's only use is grabbing people by the throat. Jiraiya was forced to retreat and figure something out with just 3 of them out there and you honestly think he might not had have to outright abandon the battle were there six of them? Even if not one or 2 or 3 are capable of putting Jiraiya in a tough situation the combination of all six could pose a serious problem for any shinobi.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying Jiraiya couldn't pull it off, but it wouldn't be the kind of cake walk that some are making it seem to be.

[Poncho Sama]

I want to post the spoiler so bad but I wont. All I'll say is that this next chapter is going to be EPIC!

[aju009]

i dont think naruto will have to kill all the pain zombies... they will be killed by the other konoha guys... naruto will have to face the original nagato only... but he will be insanely strong....

[JWSenpai]

Rinnengan - Owned by the First ninja ever - maybe its the ability to use EVERY possible ninja technique ever created by any ninja maybe even go as far as Bloodline traits. Maybe the abilities pain is using now is just the ones he can be bothered with!

Im thinking that next couple of episodes we will see the other teams Gai/ shika etc turn up at Pains pad and at the very least leave a flaming bag of poop by the door step....then ring the door bell.

katon poop no jutsu.

[sikwidit]

Originally Posted by OpTiMuSGOTFRAG

I'm not saying Jiraiya wouldn't be capable of doing something that insane, but you are making it sound way too easy. How in god's name does Jiraiya beat all six bodies at once when one of those six bodies is capable of absorbing some of his most powerful techniques as if they were childs play? That's doing a whole lot. He even managed to do this with a 3 man combo jutsu from pa, ma and jiraiya himself.

The fat pain surely has some offensive capabilities, even if just Taijutsu -- and even if his role is purely defense with no offense, Jiraiya still has something to be concerned about. God realm is a problem with ability that he has and we can't just assume this or that realm wouldn't be able to catch Jiraiya because we've seen so little of the other realm capabilities. I don't doubt the possibility of Jiraiya figuring out the technique, but how exactly do you exploit it with 5 other shinobis right there creating major problems for you? No way Hell Realm's only use is grabbing people by the throat. Jiraiya was forced to retreat and figure something out with just 3 of them out there and you honestly think he might not had have to outright abandon the battle were there six of them? Even if not one or 2 or 3 are capable of putting Jiraiya in a tough situation the combination of all six could pose a serious problem for any shinobi.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying Jiraiya couldn't pull it off, but it wouldn't be the kind of cake walk that some are making it seem to be.

i think beating pain as a whole is impossible for anyone. But for Sdsky or whatever to say that jiraiya couldnt beat god realm one-on-one is ridiculous.