Ace vs the Naruto Verse

[Luffy]

We have a little nice trend of OP logia-Users vs the Naruto verse going, here's so far:

Enel vs Naruto verse: Likely outcome Enel takes it

Ao Kji vs Naruto verse: Likely outcome Narutoverse takes it

Now we have ACE


The Fight:

Ace pops up in the middle of the narutoverse somewhere near Konoha and goes on a rampage. He fights anyone that comes his way. Both him and his opponents are bloodlusted, but other wise are in character. Everyone in the Narutoverse (except the 4th) is Alive and healthy.

The conditions:

Genjutsu affects ACE when he's in human form.

Narutoverse does not have any seastone.

For those who don't know ACE is:

-The same as Enel and Ao Kiji but instead of having control of the lightning and ice elements, he controls fire.

-Ace has logia intagibility, that is he can turn into his element and let any physical attacks bypass him without dealing any damage. When in element form, he's just a mass of pure fire.

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-He can use fire in anyway, from huge pillars of fire, to small and fast concentrated attacks

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-He can create enough fire to make a 'mini sun'

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-And apparently engulf half an island in his fire

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[Ravi]

What's up with all the Logia battles?

But yeah, Narutoverse takes this.
The minute he pops a flame everybody's going to water-gook his ass to douse the flames. Then you can just have Ino stab him for shits and giggles (even though we know Kunai are really just as effective as paper-maché).

[Alexandrius]

As Ravi said, this is Ace's worst match up. It's pretty obvious that they'll go straight for trying to dose him off with water, and they will have plenty of water, both Kisame and the 2nd have been shown to make big lakes when they first got on their water spree. He might be able to repel the water for a bit, but Narutoverse takes this hands down, Ao Kiji and Enel are better off than this.

[Holy Cowboy]

How would ace deal with amaterasu ( i.e. it burns fire )?

[Luffy]

^That's an interesting question...

As Ravi said, this is Ace's worst match up. It's pretty obvious that they'll go straight for trying to dose him off with water, and they will have plenty of water, both Kisame and the 2nd have been shown to make big lakes when they first got on their water spree. He might be able to repel the water for a bit, but Narutoverse takes this hands down, Ao Kiji and Enel are better off than this.

I would not say hands down, water has been a notoriously difficult element to use. Only a handful of ninja can use large amounts of it without a water source, in addition water is by far the slowest of all the elements seen so far. Also, they are going to need a lot more than just a small flood to beat this guy, did you see the insane amount of fire he can produce? Just Entei alone is like 1000 times the magnitude (in amount and size) of any single Katon we've seen so far in naruto, enough to engulf an island (can amateratsu keep up with the huge amount of output?). It won't take more than a couple of attacks for him to burn down konoha to the ground

[Alexandrius]

Burning down Konoha is nice and all that, but what good would it do. As far as we've seen, no one has ever been killed by Aces fire, actually no one seems to die ever in One Piece, but still. Slowest of all the elements? Give me a break, if you call out water in fucking floods it will flood out Ace before he can do anything, and as this is against the Narutoverse, there will be plenty of characters that call out water in big fucking floods.

[LunarWolfX]

ya, narutoverse got this. Ace doesn't seem to fly. No avoiding all that water jutsu from hundreds of ninjas at once. Bakasui no jutsu called out a flood that seemed to stretch for miles almost instantly. He might jump over the giant wave, but he's got nowhere to land after that. I'm not willing to argue that his mini sun is actually as hot as a sun, since there's no indication of it being so, so evaporating all that water is out the window.

[GiantMidget]

Yea enel and Aokiji's logias are much more powerful then ace's, Aces element simply has too many weaknesses and not as many large scale attacks besides Entei and that only attacks a medium sized area and takes pretty long to create. Large quantities of water is probably enough to take care of him, but when i say large i mean like really large , like if every person how uses mass water jutsus have to fight him all at once.

[San Goku]

Shikamaru grabs him, Kakashi genjutsu's him, Gaara pulls him 500 m below the eath surface and lack of oxygen will distungish his ability to flame on and he'll stay trap down there and die.

A demand a mod lock this and others like this, one OP character can't take on the Narutoverse...... you should of at least said WhiteBeard and Reighlah together or something.

[Delpheous2089]

Same thing as what I said with Aoikiji...

Kisame is crazy effect here, because he CAN create a huge volume of water at a moments notice (rememeber when he fought team Gai...it was only 1/3 of his power...).

Shika and Kakashi collaborating to figure out the weakness, tanks keep him busy while dying in huge groups to the fire. Uchiha's/Sharingan users will be extremely effective, Naruto could also probably be effective here, since he IS Wind element...or is supposed to be.

Fighting a Logia when you don't have one is all about figuring out the Logia's weakness. As long as Naruto continues to produce some of the smartest fighters between the three manga's, the Narutoverse as a whole will always come out on top vs. a powerhouse in OP.

That is of course, until we see where OP ends up power level wise. I don't think he gets much higher then Ace vs. Blackbeard so...

Aside from that though, I think Ace is smarter then Eneru...but stupider then Aoikiji. Aoikiji would probably end up doing more damage, but for some reason I feel as if Ace would screw around at the start, before getting serious. Can't afford to do that with ninja like Kakashi, Shika and Pein running around so...

[Luffy]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Burning down Konoha is nice and all that, but what good would it do. As far as we've seen, no one has ever been killed by Aces fire, actually no one seems to die ever in One Piece, but still. Slowest of all the elements? Give me a break, if you call out water in fucking floods it will flood out Ace before he can do anything, and as this is against the Narutoverse, there will be plenty of characters that call out water in big fucking floods.

1) The no one has been killed thing is a null argument. People don't die in one piece. No one has been killed by Sasuke in the manga that we've seen, I guess all his feats must be weak. The power output put forth by ace is insane, enough to incinerate a hotel thrown at him in a second, enough to engulf and island in fire. If you don't think that's powerful then I don't know what is.

2) Yes, water is by far the slowest element in terms of speed of attack, it's strong because it lingers not because it causes great damage as a projectile (that we've seen). Wind, Lightning and Fire are all tons faster as seen on the manga, and earth techniques are also faster and the only source they need is abundant. Fact is, most water attacks so far have focused on overwhelming the user with sheer amount of volume, slowing him down, and then having the user who is adept at traveling through the water fight the opponent in and advatageous environment (Kisame, Suigetsu) or having the user shape the water and use it to attack from afar (Kisame, Zabusa). This is very impressive and allows for a specif plan to be excuted on just a couple of jutsu, but there are disadvantages to it as well.

First of all, strong water users are limited. To truely beat ACE you are going to need to overwhlming, at the very least be able to create more water than he does fire, because if not he can just evaporate it all. In the manga we have only see 2 water users who have been able to use water attacks in mass w/o a water source and both of these have been kage level. This signals to me the fact that using water like that is not something everyone noob can do. Also, do to the slow nature of the water attacks, dodging the original attack should not be too difficult--there goes the element of surprise. If ACE can land in a post that is not flooded he can launch a counter attack. The water users will need to overwhelm ACE and at the mean time make sure they don't get burned to a crisp. Certainly possible, but not 'hands down'.

Originally Posted by LunarWolfX

ya, narutoverse got this. Ace doesn't seem to fly. No avoiding all that water jutsu from hundreds of ninjas at once. Bakasui no jutsu called out a flood that seemed to stretch for miles almost instantly. He might jump over the giant wave, but he's got nowhere to land after that. I'm not willing to argue that his mini sun is actually as hot as a sun, since there's no indication of it being so, so evaporating all that water is out the window.

He will rarely have to fight that many ninja at once, in addition, the number or suiton users who can pose a threat to him are limited. I don't think evaporting water is out of the window, why would it be? Unless the water they make is on the same level of volume as his fire, that is a viable strategy.

Maybe I should have given ACE his little cool boat in this fight. So that he could just ride the waves as he usually does lol

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Yea enel and Aokiji's logias are much more powerful then ace's, Aces element simply has too many weaknesses and not as many large scale attacks besides Entei and that only attacks a medium sized area and takes pretty long to create. Large quantities of water is probably enough to take care of him, but when i say large i mean like really large , like if every person how uses mass water jutsus have to fight him all at once.

I would not say they are much more powerful, nothing seems to suggest this. Ace has comparable feats to both of them. You are severly underestimating Entei. The anime gives you a better impression of the size of that things, that's like a huge ass ball of fire, anything that comes in contact with that will roast for weeks on end. If you look at the last panel, his fire was able to engulf the entire island along with BB's attack. Also, I don't know were you got that it takes a while to create.

Originally Posted by San Goku

Shikamaru grabs him, Kakashi genjutsu's him, Gaara pulls him 500 m below the eath surface and lack of oxygen will distungish his ability to flame on and he'll stay trap down there and die.

A demand a mod lock this and others like this, one OP character can't take on the Narutoverse...... you should of at least said WhiteBeard and Reighlah together or something.

You need to stop severely underestimating One Piece. At the very least if you're going to post, use good arguments...

Shikamaru...lol

Kakashi can do what? Genjutsu a huge ass fireball, yeah right, when have we seen him get rid of so much mass again? Last time I checked it was limited to a focused, took a shit load of time, and could only be used like twice. As long as there's part of ACE left he could easily regenerate.

Gaara lol, all the sand would be turn to glass by the time he does anything.

DELPH: wouldn't wind actually make his fire stronger according to naruto laws????

[IppoSama]

not siding on either just pointing out that once water is around anyone cause use it, lets say kisame and the 2nd hokage summon a HUGE amount of water after that other ninjas can use that water as their medium for water techniques.. anyway back to the sidelines.

[Digital Masta]

Here's the interesting thing about Devil Fruit users. In pretty much all instances where we see Luffy get thrown into deep water, it almost has the same effect as seastone. Luffy is apparently unable to do anything and can't use his powers, including move and he just sinks, essentially paralyzed. His body still streches but he can't move his body to begin with.

This would go double for Ace, creating sinkable water is rather easy for the Naruto world to do and while all the ninja would simply stand on top of it Ace would sink and be paralyzed PLUS being fire would screw him too being underwater.

[GiantMidget]

Water in theory would be able beat him, but its still gonna be hard, he can fly short distances and evaporate the water if there isnt enough with his Entei which engulfed half an island., especially if they aren't in a canyon or something where the water can build up.

[C. Hook]

For the person who said fire>wind... In real life, it goes both ways. Ace is real fire, not chakra fire. Hit him with enough wind, and he gets blown out. Give him and his flames some oxygen, and they grow bigger.

[Poncho Sama]

Why do these one piece people keep on thinking any OP character can exist in the Narutoverse. You guys obviously to really read Naruto because there are a million ninjutsus one can use to stop logia users. You don't even have to be a water element user to be a OP logia user. For one hungry realm Pain would eat every attack. Second most lower level nin can use replacement techniques. I want to see a logia user catch a shinobi. It anit happening. You also have people like shikamaru, neji, Inoichi, etc who use techniques no logia user can handle. Then you have genjutsu and sealing techniques. Face it. The narutoverse would own any OP character except maybe Kuma because he's a robot.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Poncho Sama

Why do these one piece people keep on thinking any OP character can exist in the Narutoverse. You guys obviously to really read Naruto because there are a million ninjutsus one can use to stop logia users. You don't even have to be a water element user to be a OP logia user. For one hungry realm Pain would eat every attack. Second most lower level nin can use replacement techniques. I want to see a logia user catch a shinobi. It anit happening. You also have people like shikamaru, neji, Inoichi, etc who use techniques no logia user can handle. Then you have genjutsu and sealing techniques. Face it. The narutoverse would own any OP character except maybe Kuma because he's a robot.

Hungry realm pain eats the chakra from the jutsus, Logia users attacks contain no chakra.

A Logia user that moves as fast as lightning cant catch a shinobi using replacement technique? Enel can read minds.... Aokiji can freeze entire area.

Teqiques like what? shadow binding? Shikamaru barely catches Hidan with those, even if he catches them then what?

neji you mean the guy wh hits pressure points? Their body doesnt have a chakra system when in logia mode.

Genjutsu requires a brain, no brain no genjutsu.

Sealing? I havent seen a person sealed yet.

Face it narutoverse isnt as powerful as you think.

[yoon0401]

i would say that kisame alone could take ace.

also this will probably kill ace if he gets hit by it...Naruto 337 page 16 | One Manga

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Poncho Sama

Why do these one piece people keep on thinking any OP character can exist in the Narutoverse. 1.) You guys obviously to really read Naruto because there are a million ninjutsus one can use to stop logia users. You don't even have to be a water element user to be a OP logia user. 2.) For one hungry realm Pain would eat every attack. Second most lower level nin can use replacement techniques. I want to see a logia user catch a shinobi. It anit happening. 3.) You also have people like shikamaru, neji, Inoichi, etc who use techniques no logia user can handle. Then you have 4.) genjutsu and sealing techniques. Face it. 5.) The narutoverse would own any OP character except maybe Kuma because he's a robot.

1.) Really? Do show me these jutsus.

2.) Hungry Realm Pein cannot absorb ice. Also, you might want to remember that Hungry Realm Pein has never taken an attack on level with Firefist or El Thor.

3.) ...NEJI???

4.)Remember when we last talked about those?

5.)...

So I guess the T-800 solos the Narutoverse too.