Kakuzu, Asura Pein, and Hidan vs. Kaku

[C. Hook]

Kaku takes on the three demonic members of Akatsuki with only his swords, his devil fruit, and his mastery of Rokushiki. Hidan gets his scythe, Kakuzu gets all five hearts, and Asura Pein gets all his abilities (He is remotely controlled).

The fight takes place in Jyabura's garden room in the Tower of Justice in Einies Lobby. Kaku has the mastery of his devil fruit shown at the end of the fight, where he wasn't just experimenting with it.

Kaku starts out in his normal human form. The two sides start 30 feet away from each other. Both sides are in-character, although it won't matter much (Except for Hidan and possibly Kaku. Hidan of course is a loudmouth during the ritual, while Kaku has shown almost a sense of fun in combat, experimenting with his ability in new ways). Of course, they are still trying to kill each other.

If (And only if) Kaku speedblitzes a rape, equallize his normal speed to Kakuzu's and relatively equalize his soru speed accordingly (What I mean is, he's as fast as Kakuzu when moving and fighting normally, yet he's as fast to Kakuzu as he was to Zoro when soruing).

[Alexandrius]

You are overestimating Kaku here.

It's obvious that you're an OP fan, but theres a limit to what all the One Piece characters can do.
Saying that Hidan doesn't get the chance to get some of his blood is stupid, Kakuzu and Hidan can work well enough together to end Kaku alone. This is getting really ridiculous, sure the Logia users are demi-gods of sort, but a "regular" One Piece character like Kaku would not be able to take on both Hidan and Kakuzu, let alone a Pain doll.

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

You are overestimating Kaku here.

It's obvious that you're an OP fan, but theres a limit to what all the One Piece characters can do.
Saying that Hidan doesn't get the chance to get some of his blood is stupid, Kakuzu and Hidan can work well enough together to end Kaku alone. This is getting really ridiculous, sure the Logia users are demi-gods of sort, but a "regular" One Piece character like Kaku would not be able to take on both Hidan and Kakuzu, let alone a Pain doll.

Tell me, do you believe Gear 2 Luffy could beat Kakuzu and Hidan? Just asking.

Tekkai-Takes care of any sort of bloodloss. It deflected attacks from Goddamned Zoro.
Soru-Speedblitzes. If you even try to debate that Kaku is far faster than any of them when speed is not equalized, you will lose.
Rankyaku-Cuts them in half. Considering how powerful Lucci's are, and considering that Kaku is both the CP9 specialist at rankyaku and over half as powerful as Lucci in terms of his rokushiki...
Kami-Dodge any attack with ease. Blueno, is both larger and far less powerful than Kaku, was dodging
Shigan-Stronger than a bullet. Tell me, are Asura Pein and Kakuzu (sans iron skin) bullet proof?
Geppou-FLY, KAKU, FLY!!!

Not to mention he has a range advantage and a power advantage, and his cube form is near immune to attack.

[Alexandrius]

OP bias.

You make threads and you're obviously biased about one character.

Either way, if you honestly believe his Tekkai is going to help him when three people are attacking him is stupid, and I find your talk of speed stupid, there is no proof whatsoever, that Naruto characters are slower than OP characters, even if they are using Soru. Oh and Range advantage? I lawld. Against Ninjas? Lawls.

Oh well, do continue with your bias, but it's pretty damn obvious that Kaku would not be able to beat Kakuzu, Hidan and Pein doll alone.

Tell me, do you think cutting a building in half that big of a feat? Naruto characters have been shown to be just as destructive.

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

OP bias.

You make threads and you're obviously biased about one character.

Stop with the Ad Hominem fallacies. Also, notice how out of the three threads I've made here, only two have been with One Piece characters, one of which was a practical joke on all of you with the other being this thread?

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Either way, if you honestly believe his Tekkai is going to help him when three people are attacking him is stupid,

Considering that Hidan has to first draw the symbol with blood, and then he has to constantly be in the symbol, and that's not even factoring that it's fucking obvious how his technique works once he starts stabbing himself in the leg...

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

and I find your talk of speed stupid, there is no proof whatsoever, that Naruto characters are slower than OP characters, even if they are using Soru.

If you're arguing speed, argue with this.
One Piece is probably faster than you thought - Naruto Forums

Also, reread Whiskey Peak, especially the part where Zoro pulls a guy in front of a bullet, moving the guy FASTER than the bullet.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Oh and Range advantage? I lawld. Against Ninjas? Lawls.

Please, several ninjas (Notably Hidan) are absolutely terrible at anything other than close range. As for Kaku...

Rankyaku.

Soru.

Kilimanjaro.

Pasta Machine.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Oh well, do continue with your bias, but it's pretty damn obvious that Kaku would not be able to beat Kakuzu, Hidan and Pein doll alone.

Stop with the damn Ad Hominem fallacies.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Tell me, do you think cutting a building in half that big of a feat? Naruto characters have been shown to be just as destructive.

...

Kaku has injured Zoro. The same Zoro who took attacks from THIS GUY RIGHT HERE.

Here is Zoro getting hit by mister building slasher.
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Here is Zoro getting hit by a more concentrated version of the attack that disintegrated a house.
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Daz Bones shits on all three of those guys in power, and Kaku managed to injure (And temporarily take out) the same Zoro who beat Daz Bones.

[Alexandrius]

What does Zoro have to do with anything? Kaku fought him and injured him? Who the hell hasn't injured Zoro? Your point just shows how damn durable Zoro is.

And who says that Hidan has to start by stabbing himself in the leg? Thats his sadism, he instantly went for the kill when he fought with Shikamaru the second time. And notice how the circle doesn't need to be from his opponents blood, whilst Kaku is kept busy by the others Hidan has all the time he needs to finish the ritual.

And frankly, I don't need links to another discussion to discuss speeds with you. Naruto characters easily get from in front of the opposing character to behind him in a split fucking second. Soru can be as fast as it wants, saying that Naruto characters aren't as fast as him is underestimating the Naruto universe speed.

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

What does Zoro have to do with anything? Kaku fought him and injured him? Who the hell hasn't injured Zoro? Your point just shows how damn durable Zoro is.

You know, the fact that Kaku injured a guy with his baby rankyakus who survived three building slashers and went on to OHKO Daz Bones?

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

And who says that Hidan has to start by stabbing himself in the leg? Thats his sadism, he instantly went for the kill when he fought with Shikamaru the second time. And notice how the circle doesn't need to be from his opponents blood, whilst Kaku is kept busy by the others Hidan has all the time he needs to finish the ritual.

I never said the ritual needs the opponent's blood for the symbol. However, Hidan's most likely not going to get time to complete the ritual, and if he does, then Kaku will knock him out of the circle (Actually, Kaku would probably decapitate him before he gets some blood).

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

And frankly, I don't need links to another discussion to discuss speeds with you. Naruto characters easily get from in front of the opposing character to behind him in a split fucking second. Soru can be as fast as it wants, saying that Naruto characters aren't as fast as him is underestimating the Naruto universe speed.

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That's very early in the manga.

Now read Whiskey Peak, and keep in mind that that's over 200 chapters back from where Zoro beat Kaku. If Kaku can move fast enough to disappear from Zoro's vision, who can react to bullets extremely well...

[Alexandrius]

Why should I read Whisky Peak? I've read the entirety of the manga several times, I know the capabilities of the characters, and the way you portrayed it, Soru really isn't faster than what he did in the earlier chapters. Lawls, disappearing from sight and speed.

And I say again, what the fuck does injuring Zoro have to do with anything? It's not like his body is made of steel, and it's not like he has never been injured at all.

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Why should I read Whisky Peak? I've read the entirety of the manga several times, I know the capabilities of the characters, and the way you portrayed it, Soru really isn't faster than what he did in the earlier chapters. Lawls, disappearing from sight and speed.

I notice how you just contradicted what you said in the last post, where disappearing from sight was such a huge thing.

Zoro has both quantifiable and unquantifiable speedfeats out the wazoo. Remember, how he reacts to bullets? Since Kaku disappears from his vision, that means Kaku moves faster than a bullet. Hidan? Nope, he's a very slow guy even in his own verse. Kakuzu? Hasn't shown himself to be faster than a bullet. Asura Pein? Slow.

Also, I notice how you haven't argued with the calculations.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

And I say again, what the fuck does injuring Zoro have to do with anything? It's not like his body is made of steel, and it's not like he has never been injured at all.

The fact that attack did not cut through his entire body might have something to do with it.

Anyway, if Hidan has enough time to use the symbol, then I can also LOL and say Kaku has enough time to do Rankyaku Adamendenchi.

[Alexandrius]

Originally Posted by C. Hook

I notice how you just contradicted what you said in the last post, where disappearing from sight was such a huge thing.

Zoro has both quantifiable and unquantifiable speedfeats out the wazoo. Remember, how he reacts to bullets? Since Kaku disappears from his vision, that means Kaku moves faster than a bullet. Hidan? Nope, he's a very slow guy even in his own verse. Kakuzu? Hasn't shown himself to be faster than a bullet. Asura Pein? Slow.

I said that they could get from infront of a person to behind a person in a split second, and then I said that it wasn't a big deal to disappear from sight, it's the ability to move where you want controllably, Soru does that, what that Captain Claws guy, or whatever his name was, was just jumping around making a mess cutting everything. Speed is also determined by how well your footwork is, Ninjas have an obvious advandtage. Moving faster than a bullet or moving faster than a train, it's obvious that Naruto Characters have that ability. Wheter or not they can react to a moving bullet is another deal. Kakuzu and Hidan are obviously not that slow. Slower than many characters that excel in speed sure, but faster than many others.

Not that Kakuzu or Hidan really need to rely on speed as their abilites are alot different. I'd also like to point out that Kakuzu and Hidan took care of the two-tails pretty easily. Their strenght is real, and Kaku really has no chance if they co-operate.

And the Zoro thing is still bullshit, Zoro not being cut through is pretty obviously due to the fact that if anything actually cut through him it'd fucking cut his bones and render him unable to actually hold his damn sword up. OP characters as well as Naruto Characters usually never tend to be wounded in that way, and it's a stupid argument.

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

I said that they could get from infront of a person to behind a person in a split second, and then I said that it wasn't a big deal to disappear from sight, it's the ability to move where you want controllably, Soru does that, what that Captain Claws guy, or whatever his name was, was just jumping around making a mess cutting everything.

That's control over speed, not speed.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Speed is also determined by how well your footwork is, Ninjas have an obvious advandtage.

Against Kaku? Are you shitting me? The guy who bounds off walls, runs across an entire island in no time at all while jumping across buildings, and leaps off of the very air itself?

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Moving faster than a bullet or moving faster than a train, it's obvious that Naruto Characters have that ability.

Really? Show me, I want to see the evidence.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Wheter or not they can react to a moving bullet is another deal.

One Piece characters can react to and move much faster than bullets. Fact.

Now you must prove Naruto characters are that fast.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Kakuzu and Hidan are obviously not that slow. Slower than many characters that excel in speed sure, but faster than many others.

Hidan? Very slow. Even by his own admission, he's slow. He has the slowest attack speed in akatsuki. In speed, CP9>Akatsuki, until you can provide evidence for Akatsuki's speed.

Kakuzu? Fast as hell, but still not as fast as Kaku.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Not that Kakuzu or Hidan really need to rely on speed as their abilites are alot different.

Kakuzu relies on speed and 'tons. Hidan relies on a slow as hell technique and has terrible durability.

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

I'd also like to point out that Kakuzu and Hidan took care of the two-tails pretty easily.

And therefore, they are more powerful than two tails. Now ask yourself: How powerful is two tails?

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

Their strenght is real, and Kaku really has no chance if they co-operate.

Everyone is in-character. That means that unless it gets rough (Which it will, so I guess this is a moot point), they will not cooperate easily. Remember when Hidan got his head sliced off?

Originally Posted by Alexandrius

And the Zoro thing is still bullshit, Zoro not being cut through is pretty obviously due to the fact that if anything actually cut through him it'd fucking cut his bones and render him unable to actually hold his damn sword up. OP characters as well as Naruto Characters usually never tend to be wounded in that way, and it's a stupid argument.

Don't deny consistent (READ: CONSISTENT, so don't give me that Roshi blowing up the moon crap.) feats through plot. The fact that Zoro did the feat is still there, whatever the intentions of the author.

[Luffy]

I think it's you who is overestimating Naruto Characters and underestimating Kaku, Alex

Hidan is a complete non factor in this fight. Not even as fodder. Hidan is not nearly fast enough to do anything against Kaku and his speed. A couple of Rankyaku's and Hidan will be incapacitated.

Asura pain, what has he done but get crushed by choiji and his dad? He's just as much of a non factor as Hidan is.

The real fight here is Kakuzu vs Kaku.

Kaku is faster and stronger, Kakuzu has the element of surprise and elemental attacks. His earth defense is useless, OP character power is too much for such a measly defense. His raiton is non impressive either op characters much weaker than Kaku were tanking much stronger Enel blasts. Kaku with Tekkai and such can easily take those. The fire and wind attacks don't seem so impressive either by OP standards. Really, I don't see how any of them stand a chance.

[C. Hook]

Asura Pein is a non-factor? His missiles are building busters, his endurance is ridiculous, and he at least a city block buster with his brain cannon thingie.

Hidan is a pretty big non-factor, but I like the Hidan/Kakuzu pair, and I felt he could probably help a tiny bit.

[yoon0401]

Originally Posted by Apoo

Kaku is faster and stronger, Kakuzu has the element of surprise and elemental attacks. His earth defense is useless, OP character power is too much for such a measly defense. His raiton is non impressive either op characters much weaker than Kaku were tanking much stronger Enel blasts. Kaku with Tekkai and such can easily take those. The fire and wind attacks don't seem so impressive either by OP standards. Really, I don't see how any of them stand a chance.

his hardening defense isnt useless......only reason he got owned was because kakashi used a lighting jutsu. Honestly...kakuzu himself said that all physical attacks are useless and i remember people were agruing that kuma's attacks were light speed just because he himself said it so i guess kakuzu being uneffective to physical attacks must be true too.

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i wouldnt call them weak even compared to OP standards. It might seem weak when you compare the fire to ace's techniques but ace is on a whole different level than kaku....kakuzu's attacks would of destroyed the whole place that kaku and zoro were fighting in and since people seem to think that kaku slicing that building in half is so fucking impressive you cant really say kakuzu's attacks are shit against OP.

[Luffy]

Originally Posted by C. Hook

Asura Pein is a non-factor? His missiles are building busters, his endurance is ridiculous, and he at least a city block buster with his brain cannon thingie.

His endurance is only as good as getting owned by Chouji and his dad. That level of power is nothing in one piece. His lasers are whatever, but I doubt he takes even one Rankyaku Amadachi before being split into 100 pieces.

Originally Posted by yoon0401

his hardening defense isnt useless......only reason he got owned was because kakashi used a lighting jutsu. Honestly...kakuzu himself said that all physical attacks are useless and i remember people were agruing that kuma's attacks were light speed just because he himself said it so i guess kakuzu being uneffective to physical attacks must be true too.

His defense is useless vs OP strength. OP characters are way physically stronger than naruto characters. Kaku sliced a frigging huge ass tower in half with one attack. Just the collison of his Bigan attacks with zoro's swords was enough to blow everything on the nearby away. Not even the attack itself, just the impact of the two attacks meeting blew everything away.

i wouldnt call them weak even compared to OP standards. It might seem weak when you compare the fire to ace's techniques but ace is on a whole different level than kaku....kakuzu's attacks would of destroyed the whole place that kaku and zoro were fighting in and since people seem to think that kaku slicing that building in half is so fucking impressive you cant really say kakuzu's attacks are shit against OP.

So slicing a tower in half with one attack by just using physical strength is not impressive? What has Kakuzu done to even rival that? Why would his defense be able to tank that?

[C. Hook]

Originally Posted by yoon0401

his hardening defense isnt useless......only reason he got owned was because kakashi used a lighting jutsu. Honestly...kakuzu himself said that all physical attacks are useless and i remember people were agruing that kuma's attacks were light speed just because he himself said it so i guess kakuzu being uneffective to physical attacks must be true too.

No sane person claims that Kuma is certainly lightspeed. Also, that's a no limits fallacy right there saying NO PHYSICAL ATTACK can hurt Kakuzu's iron skin. The strongest thing that hit Kakuzu with iron skin is nothing compared to any of Kaku's attacks.

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Originally Posted by yoon0401

i wouldnt call them weak even compared to OP standards. It might seem weak when you compare the fire to ace's techniques but ace is on a whole different level than kaku....kakuzu's attacks would of destroyed the whole place that kaku and zoro were fighting in and since people seem to think that kaku slicing that building in half is so fucking impressive you can