Zoro (|One Piece) vs Ichigo - Page 13

San Goku · 20-11-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlie

This just goes to show that powerlevels need to be taken with a grain of salt in OP unless they're fully explained. Zoro gets the shit kicked out of him then seconds later he's weaving through hundreds of lightspeed attacks, Raleigh being able to actually hit Kizaru consider the guy is supposed to be made of light and can move at the speed of light and so forth. The powerlevels in OP were fine until this.

Well with Raleigh, I think it makes sense, he's probably using haki....I think any logia user can be injured with a person that has a high level of haki, just my assumption. All Ichigo has to do is stay a hundred feet in the air and attack from there. Its all about dynamics, even if I were to go along with Ichigo and Zoro at the same level. Ichigo can attack from certain angles in mid air that Zoro can't.

Marlie · 20-11-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by San Goku

Well with Raleigh, I think it makes sense, he's probably using haki....I think any logia user can be injured with a person that has a high level of haki, just my assumption. All Ichigo has to do is stay a hundred feet in the air and attack from there. Its all about dynamics, even if I were to go along with Ichigo and Zoro at the same level. Ichigo can attack from certain angles in mid air that Zoro can't.

I don't think Haki can do that. That means you can hit immaterial matter with it. He hit Kizaru who's made of light....and did'nt Raliegh say he was out of Haki when he did that little move to knock everyone out at the auction house?

GiantMidget · 20-11-2008, 10:37 PM

No he said he just said that he would hold back on it because if he kept using it people would figure out he was there.

C. Hook · 20-11-2008, 10:43 PM

We do not know how Raleigh hit Kizaru. Our best inference is Haki, so most people agree he used Haki. There is no way in hell Kizaru, a logia of LIGHT, would be hit by an ordinary physical attack without any special powers.

As for Kuma taking 3 days, that could easily be explained with the person, you know, flying around the planet multiple times?

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Originally Posted by San Goku

Well with Raleigh, I think it makes sense, he's probably using haki....I think any logia user can be injured with a person that has a high level of haki, just my assumption. All Ichigo has to do is stay a hundred feet in the air and attack from there. Its all about dynamics, even if I were to go along with Ichigo and Zoro at the same level. Ichigo can attack from certain angles in mid air that Zoro can't.

Zoro has fought and defeated Braham, an opponent who shot at him from the air. Zoro can fire projectile slashes (108 Pound Cannon) and leap incredible distances. Sorry, but the air defense has been debunked.

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Originally Posted by Marlie

This just goes to show that powerlevels need to be taken with a grain of salt in OP unless they're fully explained. Zoro gets the shit kicked out of him then seconds later he's weaving through hundreds of lightspeed attacks, Raleigh being able to actually hit Kizaru consider the guy is supposed to be made of light and can move at the speed of light and so forth. The powerlevels in OP were fine until this.

Oh please, do tell how Kenpachi beating Nnoitra is any better.

Bleach is far more ridiculous with its powerlevels, as seen when fodder arrancar are now providing actual resistance and when Ichigo somehow got an unexplained addition to the time limit in Hollow form.

yoon0401 · 20-11-2008, 11:36 PM

everyone knows bleach power levels are fucked up......its just that now, OP power level seems to be getting a little bit fucked up as well, although some people believes its fine....i for one think that the speed of light fast attacks and movement are a bit too much for zoro and them to be dodging.

San Goku · 21-11-2008, 03:55 AM

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Zoro has fought and defeated Braham, an opponent who shot at him from the air. Zoro can fire projectile slashes (108 Pound Cannon) and leap incredible distances. Sorry, but the air defense has been debunked.

lol, thanks for that but if you think giving an opponent like Braham(skypiea arc I assume) is a good way to debunked Ichigo, ur dead wrong.

~~Luffy~~ · 21-11-2008, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Marlie

I don't think Haki can do that. That means you can hit immaterial matter with it. He hit Kizaru who's made of light....and did'nt Raliegh say he was out of Haki when he did that little move to knock everyone out at the auction house?

I'ts obviously Haki. There's no other explanation. It's the first time we've seen a logia be injured w/o someone finding out its weakness or canceling the effect of it altogether (BB). This was about the same time Haki was introduced (as an actual energy with a name anyways) in the series, so it's an obvious Haki showcase. And even though Kizaru was moving at the speed of light, a light beam streches out so you can still hit it with a sword, and if Haki cancels out DF powers like it has been shown, that's why Kizaru was stopped in its track.

He does move a light speed when he's light, why wound't he? Unless light moves slower in the opverse than it does in real life, there's really no other conclusion that can be drawn that when's he is moving as a beam of light, he travels at the speed of light.

yoon0401 · 22-11-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Apoo

I'ts obviously Haki. There's no other explanation. It's the first time we've seen a logia be injured w/o someone finding out its weakness or canceling the effect of it altogether (BB). This was about the same time Haki was introduced (as an actual energy with a name anyways) in the series, so it's an obvious Haki showcase. And even though Kizaru was moving at the speed of light, a light beam streches out so you can still hit it with a sword, and if Haki cancels out DF powers like it has been shown, that's why Kizaru was stopped in its track.

He does move a light speed when he's light, why wound't he? Unless light moves slower in the opverse than it does in real life, there's really no other conclusion that can be drawn that when's he is moving as a beam of light, he travels at the speed of light.

Why the hell would it be obivously haki???? We dont know shit about rayleigh to say anything in this matter.....only thing he know is that he CAN use haki and has a sword, but i hardly doubt that those are his only skills. I'm not saying its impossible but i think its still doubtful....i'm like half and half on whether it is though.

~~Luffy~~ · 22-11-2008, 01:28 AM

-It all happened around the time Haki was being introduced.

-Shortly after, we learned that objects can be imbued with Haki to make them stronger or grant them other properties (kuja arrows)

-Haki is the only thing so far that has been shown to cancel out the effects of a DF (Sentomaru and The kuja pirates attacks hurt luffy even though his body is rubber)

-We see Rayleigh using a sword to stop and harm a DF user (canceling the effect of the fruit).

Seems like a pretty good conclusion to me.

yoon0401 · 22-11-2008, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Apoo

-It all happened around the time Haki was being introduced.

-Shortly after, we learned that objects can be imbued with Haki to make them stronger or grant them other properties (kuja arrows)

-Haki is the only thing so far that has been shown to cancel out the effects of a DF (Sentomaru and The kuja pirates attacks hurt luffy even though his body is rubber)

-We see Rayleigh using a sword to stop and harm a DF user (canceling the effect of the fruit).

Seems like a pretty good conclusion to me.

hmmmmmm your right. lmao. The kuja arrows and how luffy got hurt by punches such seems to be the best example in my opinion...Still, its possible theres some other ways. now i'm about 89.4% convinced.....But wtf??? this is zoro vs ichigo....lets get back to the actual topic.

Dark Janza · 22-11-2008, 07:20 PM

So... are you people saying Zoro can beat Ichigo? Does Zoro have Haki? Well, I am going to say that if all of you think Zoro can take on Ichigo, than Cloud can as well... fond memories...

I really don't know anymore with the way Bleach has been. I mean, I m a Hitsugaya fan, but when did he get the strength to stand up to the 3rd espada when he had trouble with a 6th? When did using two hands instead of one become a viable power-up? Why does Ichigo seem to hold hollow form indefinitely? How come a captain took so long to take out a fraccion when vc or lower level took there opponents out with ease. How come a bankai level shinigami couldn't take out his opponent?

At least One Piece seems a bit more likely... even if it all is just to stretch out the series.

C. Hook · 22-11-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by San Goku

lol, thanks for that but if you think giving an opponent like Braham(skypiea arc I assume) is a good way to debunked Ichigo, ur dead wrong.

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And I was just giving an example of a flying enemy. Luffy's beaten an extremely powerful flying enemy (Lucci), and we all know Zoro is fairly close to Luffy.

And Kuma still isn't confirmed lightspeed. I don't know why everyone acts like he is.

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yoon0401 Chuunin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 357 Rep Power: 10	Re: Zoro (\|One Piece) vs Ichigo everyone knows bleach power levels are fucked up......its just that now, OP power level seems to be getting a little bit fucked up as well, although some people believes its fine....i for one think that the speed of light fast attacks and movement are a bit too much for zoro and them to be dodging.

22-11-2008, 01:28 AM	#249
~~Luffy~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida [305-"Wade" County] Posts: 21,576 Rep Power: 0 Total Awards: 2	Re: Zoro (\|One Piece) vs Ichigo -It all happened around the time Haki was being introduced. -Shortly after, we learned that objects can be imbued with Haki to make them stronger or grant them other properties (kuja arrows) -Haki is the only thing so far that has been shown to cancel out the effects of a DF (Sentomaru and The kuja pirates attacks hurt luffy even though his body is rubber) -We see Rayleigh using a sword to stop and harm a DF user (canceling the effect of the fruit). Seems like a pretty good conclusion to me.