China Banned Reincarnation

[CrazerDash]

In one of history’s more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned
Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission.

According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious
Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates
the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to
institutionalize management of reincarnation."

Source:United Press International - NewsTrack - Top News - China bans reincarnation in Tibet

[bleach_bullet]

When i saw this title i was like.....what the hell but now i just shake my head in dismay, that's a stupid ban -__-. They really are trying to control zee peoples....

[love_elric]

quite crazy.. how they control ppl from reincarnating? hahas.. like ppl will obey their ban? crazy.. lol

[Luffy]

Not really a debate.

/moved to gd.

[Yedi]

Originally Posted by love_elric

quite crazy.. how they control ppl from reincarnating? hahas.. like ppl will obey their ban? crazy.. lol

This is just a way to controll peopele, like the christians in the medival time.

And this post is posted in the wrong section.

[fieldy3000]

awesome. another post deleted (which was a relevant joke.):
stricter modding all around the world now.

to keep this relevant post even more relevant:
so how are they suppose to reincarnate now and how exactly did it work before? the link doesn't work for me.

[bleach_bullet]

Originally Posted by fieldy3000

awesome. another post deleted (which was a relevant joke.):
stricter modding all around the world now.

to keep this relevant post even more relevant:
so how are they suppose to reincarnate now and how exactly did it work before? the link doesn't work for me.

*Article From Link*
China bans reincarnation in Tibet


Published: Aug. 3, 2007 at 7:26 PM

BEIJING, Aug. 3 (UPI) -- China's communist leaders have forbidden reincarnation without government permission in largely Buddhist Tibet.

The reincarnation ban is part of a 14-part regulation issued by the Chinese government in an attempt to limit the influence of the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan religious leader, the Times of London reported Friday.

The People's Republic of China invaded Tibet in 1950 and has attempted to consolidate its control of it since, designating it an autonomous region.

Since the 12th century, Tibetan Buddhists have believed that reincarnated important religious leaders, known as tulkus, can be identified in young boys.

Because tulkus have a large influence in the Himalayan region, the Chinese government has frequently sought to control the process of identifying the boys.

The new regulations, which go into effect September 1, 2007, will make it illegal to identify the child reincarnation of the Dalai Lama without the approval of Chinese authorities.

[Enishi]

Isn't this some religious/political way for the Chinese to have some control/say over who is the Dalai Lama?

How does that help the government?

[bleach_bullet]

Originally Posted by Enishi69

Isn't this some religious political way for the Chinese to have some control/say over who is the Dalai Lama?

huh...? I don't get what you just said

[Yedi]

^ He said if China controlls the religion they will get more power to controll their own population with.

[bleach_bullet]

ohh i get it true, but the matter of the fact is bannig certain things doesn't give u control....it makes ppl rebel

[4thseal]

Originally Posted by Enishi69

Isn't this some religious/political way for the Chinese to have some control/say over who is the Dalai Lama?

How does that help the government?

Yea, that's basicaly it. While at first this seems like an ammusing/mondane act by the Chinese government, the are basically trying to hamper the Buddhist influence in Tibet or whatnot and this is pretty serious. I don't really know how the Buddhist will get around it but seeing as the current Dali Lama is in exile, it'll probably something like extracting the boy to india or something along these lines.

[eddieson]

How do they know which one is the reincarnate?

[4thseal]

From what I've understood a child is selected as a reborn lama through various test such as identifying which items belong to the lama in a previous life. If you're really interested, Kundun is a great movie about the current Dali lamas life and discuses the process of selection as well as the Chinese "reclaiming" the Tibetan territory and the Dali Lama's exile from Tibet.

I also found this to be interesting:

The current Dalai Lama has repeatedly stated that he will never be reborn inside territory controlled by the People's Republic of China[4], and has occasionally suggested that he might choose to be the last Dalai Lama by not being reborn at all.

Dalai Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[krozar]

Not surprising. The Chinese government has destroyed thousands of years of history which have been recorded by Buddhist monks and kept in the temples. Many never before seen by outsiders. Much of it has been burned very recently.

[Luffy]

What's their reasoning?

[4thseal]

The obviously view buddism as a threat to their government. The did only take Tibet in 1950 or 60 something, though they probably think that these acts are lessening the Buddhist's influence in Tibet. Though, it is tragic that they'd so easily disregard historical documents and such--that's messed up.

[San Goku]

Originally Posted by Tony

What's their reasoning?

co-signs

what is their reasoning.

You can't ban something like reincarnation, that has to do with ones soul, just don't see how there gonna enforce that.

[4thseal]

Despite its officially secular stance, the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has claimed the power to approve the naming of high reincarnations in Tibet. This decision cites a prec****t set by the Qianlong Emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who instituted a system of selecting the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama by means of a lottery which utilised a golden urn with names wrapped in barley balls. Controversially, this prec****t was called upon by the PRC to name their own Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama and the majority of Tibetan Buddhists in exile do not regard this to be the legitimate Panchen Lama. The Dalai Lama has recognized a different child, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, as the reincarnated Panchen Lama. This child and his family have been taken into 'protective custody' according to the PRC, and all attempts by members of the EU parliament and US government to garner guarantees of the family's safety have been denied by the PRC. There is some speculation that with the death of the current Dalai Lama, the People's Republic of China will attempt to direct the selection of a successor, using the authority of their chosen Panchen Lama.

So, it's not as if there trying to stop reincarnation, so much as control the search and selections of swhich is very important to the Buddhist.

[San Goku]

Doesn't the government have anything better to do, i'm so confused to why, okay, let me read this.

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Okay, I just read this and my head hurts more, what does the government really gain, what possesed him to do this. I need to do some research on this dali lama when i'm not too lazy.