Georgia attempts to retake South Ossetia

[GaaranGaara]

Originally Posted by JAILTIME

That argument falls apart when one country broke off from another but is moving against an area that broke off from it especially when they have been separated for a decade and a half

The thing is... Abkhazia and South Ossetia have not officially broke from Georgia. They are de facto indepenent. These areas are the ones Russia claims to be interested in this conflict. There are a lot of Russians in those areas. Yet it's still Georgian soil. So if Georgia wants to move it's army to South Ossetia it has every right to and it's none of Russia's business. If Russia is concerned for the russians in there evacuate don't start a full scale attack.

Originally Posted by art.rock

Guys, so did the war end or what was that Russia cease fire thing?

Russia rarely keeps it's word. Lets see if it will last.

[Bradjune1980]

Most of this has too do with two things of more importance then Russias "concern" for its people, to my knowledge Russia could give a rats ass about its people.

They dont like the resources that are going through that region that they are not getting a cut of.

Second they want to block and destabalize countries trying to join NATO or otherwise escape Russians forced dependence and influence.

This has more to do with that then anything else.

It was a Georgian problem, not a Russian problem. So why Has Russia gotten invloved in it three times now, once for that Abajh? region, Twice involving Osetia now. And for the same reason, every time they try to send in their troops to police their lands Russia invades? I mean WTF is that about. And most of the situations were fine and nothing really majorly bad was happening until Russia got involved.

[X2thaU]

I dunno I guess part of the reason is Russia's location and history. I mean its hard for US to relate because look at us...we are between Canada and Mexico....two relatively peaceful nations. We didn't have any armed conflicts for a couple of generations now, this isn't really the case with Russia. What I don't understand is why is the US adding fuel to the fire? Like...uh wtf? This isn't really good for any president, 2nd term or not

[GaaranGaara]

Russian tanks head deeper into Georgia - Russia - MSNBC.com

Everyone was supposed to agree to cease fire. ^^ That sounds like further invasion to me.

Russia showing it's true colors once again...

[krozar]

There is a cease fire. Russia is also setting up a DMZ around South Ossetia. They're also blocking the main East-West highway in Georgia to accomplish this. Their justification is that it will deescalate violence.

[Gathan]

^Right so to help assure the ceasefire they are sending their tanks deeper into Georgia, alright I'll buy that

[FireSight]

In Soviet Russia, ceasefire only applies to you!

But given that Russia was so close to the Georgian capital, I don't think they are advancing any farther than they already were, or they would have already captured the capital city......

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by Bradjune1980

So every country that broke off after the Berlin wall fell should go back to Russia?

Are you retarded. You must be.

Georgia was recognized by the world community along with all the other breakaway countries.

And by the same token russia has been getting sanctioned for its interference with Gerogia for years by the world community. Just because your ignorant of what is happening in the world doesnt make it ok for russia to trample on another countries rights.

Its like a repeat of hitler in WW2 all over again.

actually georgains joined russian empire before the communist , by all means im not an expert on the russian or georgian history but from what i know georgians willingly joined under protectorate of russian empire to keep themselves safe from Ottomans .
Reason russia is trying to influence surrounding countries is to weaken US influence and for the sake of its own interests , same way as EU was formed to weak Russian and American influence over the Europe , both are are good things in my opinion .

lol so you are saying its perfectly alright to let your supporters to be bombed and slaughtered by near by state ? Or if a country is trying to deffend its interests it suddenly becomes evil ?

p.s. look georgians are obviously are the ones who are picking fight , well their leaders to be correct .. georgians are rather missilery under their new "democratic'' president whom no one likes due to things like assassination of completion and hardcore abuse of protesters . Basically what he is doing right now is trying to take attention off himself and focus it on the war .

But good equivalent of his actions is poking a sleeping bear in a rear with a hot fire poker , nothing good will happen to you in other words .

[/win]

Originally Posted by krozar

There is a cease fire. Russia is also setting up a DMZ around South Ossetia. They're also blocking the main East-West highway in Georgia to accomplish this. Their justification is that it will deescalate violence.

source?

from what i'm hearing we're sending people into georgia for humanitarian purposes; helping victims by giving antibitoics and such.

also, russians are heading towards the capital as we speak.

[art.rock]

Originally Posted by GaaranGaara

Russian tanks head deeper into Georgia - Russia - MSNBC.com

Everyone was supposed to agree to cease fire. ^^ That sounds like further invasion to me.

Russia showing it's true colors once again...

I was reading that at work today, seems like things might only get worse.

[GaaranGaara]

Originally Posted by art.rock

I was reading that at work today, seems like things might only get worse.

Yeah, this might get worse before it gets better.

Originally Posted by /win

from what i'm hearing we're sending people into georgia for humanitarian purposes; helping victims by giving antibitoics and such.

Yeh, Help will be sent via military according to this. Georgia gets relief aid via U.S. military - Russia - MSNBC.com

[krozar]

I LOLd at the Russian troops being drunk when a U.S. press member approached them. There is always truth to stereotypes they say.

georgia could win this by bribing them in better vodka.

Originally Posted by /win

source?

from what i'm hearing we're sending people into georgia for humanitarian purposes; helping victims by giving antibitoics and such.

also, russians are heading towards the capital as we speak.

Who is this "we?" Don't use such pronouns on an international forum.

Source: Georgia agrees to Russian-French plan to settle conflict - CNN.com

Russia politicians backing down from the DMZ idea though.

[pschy_leprae]

YouTube - RUSSIA & GEORGIA at WAR! Aug. 9, 2008. (part 1/12)
YouTube - RUSSIA & GEORGIA at WAR! Aug. 9, 2008. (part 2/12)
YouTube - RUSSIA & GEORGIA at WAR! Aug. 9, 2008. (part 3/12)

[Gambler]

Shit just keeps getting better and better...

Russia threatened a nuclear strike against Poland after a landmark deal to site American global anti-missile shields in the country.

Only 24 hours after the weapons agreement was signed Russia's deputy chief of staff warned Poland "is exposing itself to a strike 100 per cent".

General Anatoly Nogovitsyn said that any new US assets in Europe could come under Russian nuclear attack with his forces targeting "the allies of countries having nuclear weapons".

He told Russia's Interfax news agency: "By hosting these, Poland is making itself a target. This is 100 per cent certain. It becomes a target for attack. Such targets are destroyed as a first priority."

Russia's nuclear rhetoric marks an intense new phase in the war of words over Georgia. The Caucasus conflict has spiralled into a Cold War style confrontation between Moscow and Washington in less than a week.

Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal - Telegraph

[ACCUNE]

I heard that Stalin's home town was in the now Georgia.

[Cane_The9lives]

This ceasefire is about as brittle as peanut brittle.

[Bradjune1980]

Originally Posted by Gambler

Shit just keeps getting better and better...



Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal - Telegraph

Russia, perfectly reasonable people. (sarcasm)

[pschy_leprae]

Originally Posted by Bradjune1980

Russia, perfectly reasonable people. (sarcasm)

and so are americans ( even greater sarcasm)

were are all F###ed .

[Azn]

Such an escalation. This turned to something bigger than the needs of Georgia or South Ossetia now. Russia still has troops in Georgia despite the cease fire agreement. This is getting more interesting!

[Gathan]

Oh my this entire thing sure is escalating frighteningly fast.
This isn't looking very good at all, not only is Russia continuing its assault on Georgia from the looks of it ignoring a ceasefire but they are also threatening Poland.
Forget about North Korea and Iran, we got Russia now to deal with that do have nukes and aren't scared to use them.
So I guess all should be sitting on the edge of our seats and praying real hard to not have a World War 3, because nobody is going to win