Lit Section Discusion Thread

[Bara]

For now.
If you have a book you'd like to discuss-new thread with book title.
Poems-if you are going to submit several and would like to, make your own thread. You can also use the general poem thread.
Writings-title of the piece in new thread.

If Kon decides to change any of these will go with his ruling.
If you have suggestions, please put them in this thread.
As stated, new section and will have to work out the bugs.

[Kazman3]

i suggest a new thread for every piece of poetry
it will get very difficult to keep track of poems in just one thread

[Bara]

Like graphic section.
Would work out better, was just afraid would have alot of thread.

[batman555]

Maybe limit it to 'X' number of poetry pieces per person per thread? Unless it's a super-long poem. Then that should probably get its own thread.

[R)X(Z]

Hmmm... maybe every person should have his own theard for his works?


(I want to post some of my works now.. some are pomes some are not... so..help me ^^")

[Bara]

Start the own thread for your works.
Short works you may want in same thread if simular. A couple of short haiku's could be in the same but if entirely different you probably would want seperate threads.
Definitely longer works(>3 stanzas) need their own thread.

[Cybernetic]

I think if it's just short poetry, then one thread per person. They can just edit the opening post with a new poem and tell people in the title. For stories, yeah a thread is good.

[Vash T.S]

i know this has nothing with threads and stuff to do.
nor is it a suggestion.
its more a question; why dont we get postcount for posting in the RP? i mean. its not like spam and its like a sort of art 0.o
dont the GFX posters get post count and the poets/writers aswell. so...

[Cybernetic]

In my opinion it's because role playing contributes nothing to the community other than the thread itself. It promotes no discussion and shows minimal effort on the writer's behalf. Making graphics and writing stories and poetry requires much more skill and thought than writing a few lines of dialogue and a couple small descriptions.

[Vash T.S]

Originally Posted by Cybernetic

In my opinion it's because role playing contributes nothing to the community other than the thread itself. It promotes no discussion and shows minimal effort on the writer's behalf. Making graphics and writing stories and poetry requires much more skill and thought than writing a few lines of dialogue and a couple small descriptions.

have you RPed yourself?
and it might not be a contribute to the community. but do this stories help the community a tiny bit? would it change if someone made a great story. while an other makes crap? imho no. same goes with GFX.
all on the forum is like nothing inportant in my eyes.
it would die without the FCs yes, and without the discussions.
but it will stay active without the GFX and the LaCW (literature and creative writing, so you know for next time)

and about "requiring skills" in my eyes you need skill to RP.
if you dont have any insperation you cant RP cause you'll be like.

"yeh. you're right. now lets go"
he walks on and they leave

the RP is writing a story, but you do it together...

edit: minimal effort? dude... do you have any idea how much energy some people put in the RP. take Satandra for example.
cause youll piss her off like hell. she is maybe putting more effort in the RP, then any other GFXer puts in his/her works.
GeninNaruto is wasting his time on planning the Chuunin exams for example and he wasts time on cursing on me on MSN because i was like a total jerk again.
neoexile is making a story start for a 3 year skip. or he works out the C9.

all these people put allot of effort in the RP. and you might piss them off with the words "minimal effort"

[Cybernetic]

Graphic artists and writers can receive constructive criticism for their work and get better. In a role playing thread, there is no room for that, so the writer's ability stays about the same the entire time.

It's not hard to get inspiration to write a few lines of story when you have other story to work off of. I assure you that the majority of users typically posting short things like what you quoted are doing it just to do it, and aren't thinking about what they are doing. Role playing threads are like more plot-oriented 3-word or 5-word story threads.

Originally Posted by Vash T.S

all on the forum is like nothing inportant in my eyes.

What makes you think the role playing is important and the discussion on Naruto and Bleach isn't important?

[Vash T.S]

Originally Posted by Cybernetic

Graphic artists and writers can receive constructive criticism for their work and get better. In a role playing thread, there is no room for that, so the writer's ability stays about the same the entire time.

untrue you can always tell your part of the story and below.

((hey man, you should "bla bla bla"))

and is that really important? inproving yourself? sure its nice. and its important inlife. but is it important on a forum? where you're suposted to have fun?

It's not hard to get inspiration to write a few lines of story when you have other story to work off of. I assure you that the majority of users typically posting short things like what you quoted are doing it just to do it, and aren't thinking about what they are doing. Role playing threads are like more plot-oriented 3-word or 5-word story threads.

yes. there are people who post like that.
SasukeSoundNinja for example does that. and a few others. but do those, who do put effort in there posts, and make posts from more then a few lines, have to suffer for that and not get post count?
(i know post count isnt inportant. but its like when the RPers get out the RP section, there might be people act to them like they are noobs because they have post count 0)

What makes you think the role playing is important and the discussion on Naruto and Bleach isn't important?

What makes me think the RP is important? nothing.
and what the Naruto/bleach not important? you misread. i said the Discussions were important. i said without the discussions the forum would die and noone would even bother to post here...

[Cybernetic]

It's the user's fault for not posting anywhere but in the role playing threads if they are insulted by senior members because their post count is at 0. Writing a few lines of text to add on to a story is even easier than writing a children's picture book. Clearly those who write longer and better posts in the role playing sections deserve some credit but an increase in post count sound like the wrong kind of recognition. The discussion in role playing threads can't occur anywhere but in role playing threads or other role playing discussions.

Tell me, how can you fit your individual posts in Role Playing into a regular conversation? "Yeah, I remember the other day in the Soul Society when I posted a bit about walking through a dense forest, only to be attacked by a large wolf who spoke my name."

It just doesn't work.

[Vash T.S]

Originally Posted by Cybernetic

It's the user's fault for not posting anywhere but in the role playing threads if they are insulted by senior members because their post count is at 0. Writing a few lines of text to add on to a story is even easier than writing a children's picture book. Clearly those who write longer and better posts in the role playing sections deserve some credit but an increase in post count sound like the wrong kind of recognition. The discussion in role playing threads can't occur anywhere but in role playing threads or other role playing discussions.

Thats a diffrent in opinion.
i mean. does something have to be hard to get post count? and is post count that precious that only for really great and important posts you can get it? i find it stupid. i understand that you dont get post count in the lounge; its spam.
but this isnt spam. to us this are posts with a meaning.
i dont know any mods who RPs, but i think those who do RP understand the joy from it.

(and about being insulted, thats not the point. i know i used it an argument but oke. i think most of the RPers arent that easely insulted)

Tell me, how can you fit your individual posts in Role Playing into a regular conversation? "Yeah, I remember the other day in the Soul Society when I posted a bit about walking through a dense forest, only to be attacked by a large wolf who spoke my name."

It just doesn't work.

you dont say it like that. i talk about the RP irl.

yeh! that was fucking funny. you know. satandra and me have 2 chars. you know, Chou and Shimizu. and well, it was funny cause shimizu ran into Chou in the hallway after chou took a bath. and he almost dropped his towel. well shimizu almost fainted. that was so damn funny, it really cracked me up

so yeh, you can put it into a regular conversation. like an example. people use books as example, i use the RP for example.


edit: oh and wait. i find making a poem much easier then RPing.
but still i get post count for the poem, and not the RP. >_>'

[Apoo]

I think this is not the thread for that kind of disscution, but i agree with Cybernetic, and I was under the impression that the GFX sections do not increase your post count.

As to sugestions: A different thread for anything long, the same thread for short works; like a small poem.

[Cybernetic]

I can understand the graphics request threads not receiving post counts, but when people post graphics, they are displaying what they have created, so there is a reward in their future.

Role playing is meant for fun. When you role play at home with friends, it's to have fun. Nobody wins awards by role playing in this sense. The discussions elsewhere have meaning behind them. It shows the person's opinion on a matter and any research they may have done to back up their claim. People win awards and gain fortunes when they write or draw or create.

When do people advance in their careers or make money or gain recognition from a wide audience when they add to a short story and pretend to be that character for a while? Especially when it's done online. Like you said, role playing is done for fun, just like forum posting, but role playing doesn't bring anything with it except recognition for writing a few creative lines.

[Vash T.S]

Originally Posted by Cybernetic

I can understand the graphics request threads not receiving post counts, but when people post graphics, they are displaying what they have created, so there is a reward in their future.

nothing to say about ^^"

Role playing is meant for fun. When you role play at home with friends, it's to have fun. Nobody wins awards by role playing in this sense. The discussions elsewhere have meaning behind them. It shows the person's opinion on a matter and any research they may have done to back up their claim. People win awards and gain fortunes when they write or draw or create.

So you think something is suposed to be able to help you in the future. and if it doesnt, you wont get post count? oke. then thats your point of few. (as far as i can feel now, im not able to change your opinion. nor do i want to. i'll leave it by this)

When do people advance in their careers or make money or gain recognition from a wide audience when they add to a short story and pretend to be that character for a while? Especially when it's done online. Like you said, role playing is done for fun, just like forum posting, but role playing doesn't bring anything with it except recognition for writing a few creative lines.

fun is a diffrent kind of reward then money and fame.
in my eyes its better.

[Apoo]

^^ if Fun it's a good enough reward, why do you want post counts?

[Vash T.S]

well. if learning something and money and fame is a good reward, why would they get postcount?

[Satandra]

Actually, he never stated he wanted it, he asked why it was not there. Posts in for example the General Discussion are counting, although they often aren't all that much filled with information. In the Lounge, the spam comes, and gets no postcount. Why do the posts in the RP section get the same treatment as spam? That was what Vash meant.
If you actually take a look in the RP threads, you see people put effort in it. They create characters, their abilities, their attitude, they write about how they develop and what moves they make. It's thought through, unlike spam. Sure, there are posts which contain only a few lines, but there are plenty of those in other sections too where they do count.