Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? - Page 3

metal-claws · 17-05-2008, 10:10 PM

sasuke when he met naruto told him that he will give his body to oro so they may got a chance againdt itachi since any of them alone do not got a chance against itachi

so please oro alone will be destroied if he stand against itachi

beside oro left akatsuki because he was not able to win against itachi[/quote]

I know that, i saw it in the anime like you did, we all heard Oro saying hes not a match for itachi, but my question was "why not?"

Until now (im not a manga reader) Oro was the strongest charecter in the Series, not Sasori, Daidara, Evil gaara, Sound 5, nor Kisame or even zabuza got close to the damage he made everytime we saw him, and the amazing fact that hes Enmortal!! what could beat that??

Sharingan? i guess its not match of a problem if Oro will summon some bad ass guys, even Uchiha Madara to deal with the sharingan...

Kribbz · 22-05-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by potboy1982

Get out, without his eyes and the jutsu that go with them, Itachi would be nothing, and the fact that he's straining his sharingan so much that it making him start to go blind means we could actually see if that works or not.

Don't you think itachi would train in another way then...? If you put it this way, if oro didn't had kabuto oro would never perfected so many jutsus anyway or w/ his "eternal life" jutsu that he takes over others bodies.. It's the same w/ itachi, if he didn't had the eyes..

MD · 22-05-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by potboy1982

Get out, without his eyes and the jutsu that go with them, Itachi would be nothing, and the fact that he's straining his sharingan so much that it making him start to go blind means we could actually see if that works or not.

So his Sharingan gives him unbelievable speed and strength, far superior to that of Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai? I think not.

If it's just his Sharingan that made him so powerful, why weren't all of the Uchiha ANBU captains at such a young age? Most every ninja in Naruto is given a natural advantage, Naruto has a huge chakra supply, Itachi has his Sharingan, Shino has his insects, etc, saying "if he didn't have this..." is just ridiculous, in that case, take away everything from every ninja, Itachi has been well documented as being a genius among geniuses, his Sharingan has nothing to do with his natural talent.

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Originally Posted by Kribbz

Don't you think itachi would train in another way then...? If you put it this way, if oro didn't had kabuto oro would never perfected so many jutsus anyway or w/ his "eternal life" jutsu that he takes over others bodies.. It's the same w/ itachi, if he didn't had the eyes..

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by metal-claws

Sharingan? i guess its not match of a problem if Oro will summon some bad ass guys, even Uchiha Madara to deal with the sharingan...

What do you, as an anime watcher, know about Uchiha Madara? You hear a name from Kyuubi, and suddenly you start making assumptions about the character? How do you know he's dead? How do you know he wasn't a blind, deaf, cripple who couldn't use any Jutsu at the time of his death? All we have of Madara in the anime is his name.

zack_strife · 22-05-2008, 04:18 PM

Silly people hear a name and start making assumptions without even knowing who the character is and what part they play i the overall story.

OpTiMuSGOTFRAG · 23-05-2008, 05:16 AM

I really do believe that Orochimaru would be an impressive match for Itachi, but Itachi has some truly amazing unique advantages on his side that Orochimaru would probably have trouble with so it's very likely that a fight would with Orochimaru's death.

Itachi is a true badass.

zack_strife · 23-05-2008, 09:09 AM

Itachi would wipe the floor with his scaley white ass, the one thing he wants most in the world is the one thing he will never obtain.

SeverianSSM · 25-05-2008, 10:45 PM

Orochimaru stated in Part I that he was surpassed by Itachi, which leads me to ask, why is this thread all......open.........and stuff.

rock8th · 27-05-2008, 09:20 PM

i think the answer is yes. orochimaru wouldnt be begging naruto's team to help him get rid of some akatsuki members if he's that powerful.

Fathishino · 28-05-2008, 03:31 AM

Yes. Oro himself also realized this fact. He once confessed 2 kabuto that Itachi was stronger than him n that's da reason y he left akatsuki.

nejix321 · 28-05-2008, 09:45 AM

Has Orochimaru ever seriously fought Itachi aside from trying to capture his body?

zack_strife · 28-05-2008, 09:59 AM

Well not that we know off, plus he also said it himself that he was no match for Itachi and that's why he needs Sasuke's body. Who knows there may be a fight in the future which will confirm it for those who don't believe what is coming out of the guys mouth.

rashid12 · 28-05-2008, 03:07 PM

guyz lets not forget that oro with his hands summoned the first and second hokage. I think u know what that means right? I think by now u most probably know how powerfull the first was right? I really think that in that case sharingan wouldnt stand a chance.

zack_strife · 28-05-2008, 03:15 PM

Well why didn't he try it when he fought Itachi for his body then?

And those in the anime (even manga) haven't been that introduced to the 1st's fighting abilitys.

P.S. The sharingan doesn't own all, Itachi does

rashid12 · 28-05-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UCHIHA-NARUTO

Well why didn't he try it when he fought Itachi for his body then?

And those in the anime (even manga) haven't been that introduced to the 1st's fighting abilitys.

P.S. The sharingan doesn't own all, Itachi does

Its the matter of intention, some times a person plans to fight with another to win over that person, but Oro's intention is to take stuff from people as easy as he can, he wanted an uchiha body, he couldnt take over it but he didnt fight for it. Any how i mentioned a capbility of oro (summoning the fist and the second hokage) using his hands and his full power. Remember this: Sarutobi one said oro is a genius which appears once a decade. So lets not underestimate him!

zack_strife · 28-05-2008, 03:56 PM

Well it has also been said that Itachi was considered a genius among genius(s) so i think that makes Itachi smarter. Also wouldn't it have been easier to take over Itachi's body if he was severly weakened afterall when he does take over the power of the white snake would heal him really fast. he could have summoned the 1st and 2nd to attack him before dragging him into his inner dimension.
Don't see much to convince me otherwise both he and sasuke explicity said they are no match for Itachi, Sasuke was going to give his body to orochimaru if it meant that he could kill Itachi because they alone are no match.

zack_strife · 28-05-2008, 05:37 PM

You should spoiler that first part this is the anime section

Your not listening, Orochimaru said it himself he is no match for Itachi and like i said previously, why didn't he weaken him first off all, this would make it easier to steal his body as Itachi would have used most of his chakra up therefore it would have been much easier to steal the body. But enough is enough, Sasuke said it, hell even Orochimaru said it, if people are going to stick up for him they had better listen to the words coming out of his mouth, HE IS NO MATCH FOR ITACHI.

zack_strife · 28-05-2008, 05:50 PM

If anyone can post a pic or a speech that will prove that orochimaru could beat Itachi, then i MIGHT rethink, although i doubt you will find anything

MD · 29-05-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GAARA721

But In Part One Jaraiya Stated That He Can Do One Jutsu That Would Kill Itachi And Kisame At The Same Time!!!

Exactly what episode was this in? I don't remember this at all.

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Originally Posted by rashid12

guyz lets not forget that oro with his hands summoned the first and second hokage. I think u know what that means right? I think by now u most probably know how powerfull the first was right? I really think that in that case sharingan wouldnt stand a chance.

The souls of the First and Second were both sealed by the Third, Orochimaru would be incapable of summoning them.

Also, if people insist on saying Oro could beat Itachi, at least give a counter argument to the fact that Oro said Itachi had surpassed him, I've seen no one legitimately argue this point yet.

To play devil's advocate:

Orochimaru, in the past, has shown himself as measuring a persons capacity by their ability to master all of the worlds Jutsu, as he has explicitly shown, he strives to learn all Jutsu, due to his Sharingan (and his prodigy-level abilities), Oro could place Itachi above himself as someone who could master all of the techniques in the world, hence Itachi "surpassing" him, whilst Oro could still be more powerful.

Not necessarily 100% correct, but it's something to think about.

MD · 29-05-2008, 08:23 PM

In this period of time, Orochimaru is sick, and about to attempt to take over Sasuke's body, he's far from capable of fighting at full capacity.

"For both me an Orochimaru right now..."

zack_strife · 29-05-2008, 08:41 PM

That's one interpretation, but i took that to mean that they are not able to defeat Itachi alone but when Orochimaru takes over his body and gets the sharingan then there will be a chance which is why he said if there was a chance that offerering his body to orochimaru he would be able to accomplish his goals then he gladly give his life and his afterlife. The big thing in that line is *IF* so that tells me that he doesn't believe orochimaru to be strong enough and that there is still a chance that Itachi will beat him even with the Sharingan.

17-05-2008, 10:10 PM	#41
metal-claws Genin Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? sasuke when he met naruto told him that he will give his body to oro so they may got a chance againdt itachi since any of them alone do not got a chance against itachi so please oro alone will be destroied if he stand against itachi beside oro left akatsuki because he was not able to win against itachi[/quote] I know that, i saw it in the anime like you did, we all heard Oro saying hes not a match for itachi, but my question was "why not?" Until now (im not a manga reader) Oro was the strongest charecter in the Series, not Sasori, Daidara, Evil gaara, Sound 5, nor Kisame or even zabuza got close to the damage he made everytime we saw him, and the amazing fact that hes Enmortal!! what could beat that?? Sharingan? i guess its not match of a problem if Oro will summon some bad ass guys, even Uchiha Madara to deal with the sharingan...

22-05-2008, 04:18 PM	#44
zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? Silly people hear a name and start making assumptions without even knowing who the character is and what part they play i the overall story. __________________

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OpTiMuSGOTFRAG ANBU Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,335 Rep Power: 17	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? I really do believe that Orochimaru would be an impressive match for Itachi, but Itachi has some truly amazing unique advantages on his side that Orochimaru would probably have trouble with so it's very likely that a fight would with Orochimaru's death. Itachi is a true badass. __________________

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zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? Itachi would wipe the floor with his scaley white ass, the one thing he wants most in the world is the one thing he will never obtain. __________________

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zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? Well not that we know off, plus he also said it himself that he was no match for Itachi and that's why he needs Sasuke's body. Who knows there may be a fight in the future which will confirm it for those who don't believe what is coming out of the guys mouth. __________________

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rashid12 Genin Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Orochimaru's hideout Posts: 108 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? guyz lets not forget that oro with his hands summoned the first and second hokage. I think u know what that means right? I think by now u most probably know how powerfull the first was right? I really think that in that case sharingan wouldnt stand a chance. __________________ _______________________________ Hulk is the strongest there is! _______________________________

28-05-2008, 03:15 PM	#53
zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? Well why didn't he try it when he fought Itachi for his body then? And those in the anime (even manga) haven't been that introduced to the 1st's fighting abilitys. P.S. The sharingan doesn't own all, Itachi does __________________

28-05-2008, 03:56 PM	#55
zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? Well it has also been said that Itachi was considered a genius among genius(s) so i think that makes Itachi smarter. Also wouldn't it have been easier to take over Itachi's body if he was severly weakened afterall when he does take over the power of the white snake would heal him really fast. he could have summoned the 1st and 2nd to attack him before dragging him into his inner dimension. Don't see much to convince me otherwise both he and sasuke explicity said they are no match for Itachi, Sasuke was going to give his body to orochimaru if it meant that he could kill Itachi because they alone are no match. __________________ Last edited by zack_strife; 28-05-2008 at 03:59 PM.

28-05-2008, 05:37 PM	#56
zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? You should spoiler that first part this is the anime section Your not listening, Orochimaru said it himself he is no match for Itachi and like i said previously, why didn't he weaken him first off all, this would make it easier to steal his body as Itachi would have used most of his chakra up therefore it would have been much easier to steal the body. But enough is enough, Sasuke said it, hell even Orochimaru said it, if people are going to stick up for him they had better listen to the words coming out of his mouth, HE IS NO MATCH FOR ITACHI. __________________ Last edited by zack_strife; 28-05-2008 at 05:43 PM.

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29-05-2008, 08:41 PM	#60
zack_strife ANBU Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belfast, UK Posts: 1,526 My Mood: Rep Power: 5	Re: Is Orochimaru really not much of a match for Itachi? That's one interpretation, but i took that to mean that they are not able to defeat Itachi alone but when Orochimaru takes over his body and gets the sharingan then there will be a chance which is why he said if there was a chance that offerering his body to orochimaru he would be able to accomplish his goals then he gladly give his life and his afterlife. The big thing in that line is IF so that tells me that he doesn't believe orochimaru to be strong enough and that there is still a chance that Itachi will beat him even with the Sharingan. __________________