3rd Hokage (in his Prime) Vs Pain

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

No.

God is soppose to be a perfect, there is no trick to beating God.


Pein says that if jiraiya had known his secret then he would'nt have stood a chance.

Above anything else Pein is a ninja, and he can be beaten, he stated so himself, he is no immortal.

I think you misinterpreted what pain said
What pain said was that if he had kept his identity secret by only using 3 bodies which doesn't give enough clues to Jiraiya to figure out who he was, was not enough to beat him and had to bring out all 6 bodies where Jiraiya realized that all 6 ninjas were people he has fought before thus him discovering his identity.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

I think you misinterpreted what pain said
What pain said was that if he had kept his identity secret by only using 3 bodies which doesn't give enough clues to Jiraiya to figure out who he was, was not enough to beat him and had to bring out all 6 bodies where Jiraiya realized that all 6 ninjas were people he has fought before thus him discovering his identity.

Actually i think you misinterpretered it.

"If we hadn't of kept our secret so long we wouldnt've of won."

If a man of jiraiyas level knew peins secret then pein would've had no chance.

He says it himself.

[GiantMidget]

His secret was his identity correct? by bringing out all 6 bodies it gave his identity away, because with 3 there wasn't as many clues to who he was, and Jiraiya couldn't figure it out, but when all 6 was out Jiraiya figured out who he was.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

His secret was his identity correct? by bringing out all 6 bodies it gave his identity away, because with 3 there wasn't as many clues to who he was, and Jiraiya couldn't figure it out, but when all 6 was out Jiraiya figured out who he was.

It was the cut on the forhead that gave his identity away. If that had happened while there were only three there, then he would've made the same connection simply with the three of them.

And what does that have to do with the fact that his secret being kept is what enabled him to defeat jiraiya.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

It was the cut on the forhead that gave his identity away. If that had happened while there were only three there, then he would've made the same connection simply with the three of them.

And what does that have to do with the fact that his secret being kept is what enabled him to defeat jiraiya.

But he didn't see the cut when there was 3 of them, he only figured out their identity when the cut was shown, while all 6 bodies were out which then he realized that cut was the one he gave to a ninja once then he realized all the other bodies were previous ninjas he has fought as well.
When there was only 3 bodies 1 was his student and there were 2 ninjas he previously fought, there really wasn't enough evidence to reveal his true identity the only conclusion he could come to was that maybe he revived dead bodies or something like orochimaru.
But when all 6 were out plus the cut he realized that by looking at all of them, they were all people he has fought before and he finally came to a conclusion about his identity, the turning point of the fight was when all 6 bodies were out as well as Jiraiya figuring out his identity.
If he had tried to keep it a secret and didn't use all 6 bodies at once, he had a chance of losing.

im not 100% sure but thats how i interpreted what he said.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

But he didn't see the cut when there was 3 of them, he only figured out their identity when the cut was shown, while all 6 bodies were out which then he realized that cut was the one he gave to a ninja once then he realized all the other bodies were previous ninjas he has fought as well.
When there was only 3 bodies 1 was his student and there were 2 ninjas he previously fought, there really wasn't enough evidence to reveal his true identity the only conclusion he could come to was that maybe he revived dead bodies or something like orochimaru.
But when all 6 were out plus the cut he realized that by looking at all of them, they were all people he has fought before and he finally came to a conclusion about his identity, the turning point of the fight was when all 6 bodies were out as well as Jiraiya figuring out his identity.
If he had tried to keep it a secret and didn't use all 6 bodies at once, he had a chance of losing.

im not 100% sure but thats how i interpreted what he said.

Pein made no attempts to speak of whether or not jiraiya would've discovered his secret if he had pulled out all three bodies.

He simply stated that had he not kept his secret so long he would've died.

Six bodies as nothing to do with it, and the only connection your making to it is that, the whole cut thing happened while six bodies were out.

If three had been out while that happened, then jiraiya would've have said, HMm i've met 3 of these bodies b4, if only there were three more for me to confirm my theory, No he would've reach the same decision.

And besides i dont understand how you could interpret it that way because if Pein had not pulled out the other three then he would've lost since there would've been no one to restore the first three dead ones.

[bluelion7342]

this isnt the pain discussion thread. its about pain vs the 3rd in his prime.

[danaholland]

how about 3rd and sanin v peins

[bluelion7342]

Originally Posted by danaholland

how about 3rd and sanin v peins

no thats ok.

[Azn]

^ lol.

Pain wins. Unless the 3rd has some godly technique to take all 6 pains at once, the 3rd cannot win.

[Uchihaeyez]

Didnt the shinigami technique take the souls of the 1st and 2nd?

All Sarutobi would have to do is make 5 Kb, and then use it on all of his bodies.

He would win the battle, but at the expense of his own life.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Didnt the shinigami technique take the souls of the 1st and 2nd?

All Sarutobi would have to do is make 5 Kb, and then use it on all of his bodies.

He would win the battle, but at the expense of his own life.

As if he would have a chance, the first and seconds revived corpses were very weak, if the third were to split his powers into 5 kb, he will be even easier to beat.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

As if he would have a chance, the first and seconds revived corpses were very weak, if the third were to split his powers into 5 kb, he will be even easier to beat.

Yes, but this is the third in his prime he has much more chakra than he did as an old man, and stamina theres no doubt he could make six shadow clones.

And did it actually say the 1st, and 2nd were weak? Not sure if this is true or not, but i would appreciate proof.

And i dont get what them has to being weak has to do with the shinigami thing. Orochimaru wasnt weak, and he couldnt get out of it.

If he hadnt stabbed sarutobi he would've had enough strength to pull his soul out.

[bluelion7342]

dont u think its possible since pain likelyshares one soul that all the 3rd has to do is grab one and pull it out.

He can make enough clones to occupy th other 5 pains while he holds onto 1.

and the 1st hokage had ot hvaebeen pretty powerful to have beaten madara for contorl of the village. adn we all know madara is the real leader, so that should speak for the 1st abilities.

[Azn]

I duno where it said they share the same soul, but if they do, then i guess thats possible.

The thing is, pain can keep reviving themselves if one of them dies. We know the 3rd was strong in his prime, but, we dunno how strong.

[ifeanyi84]

the first and second were not weakened. if anything they were stronger because they couldnt be killed in those bodies.

i dont think that the technique would be likely to work to seal pain's soul (or souls, whatever). without knowing pain's secret, sandaime would more likely be attempting the sealing technique with less than 6 pains present. the other bodies would then come in with those black weapons that disrupt chakra and sarutobi would have ended up using the technique uselessly and dying.

[bluelion7342]

that assuming if he gets stabbed by those weapons. Jiraiay was easily stabbed because he was already worked up pretty hard and had lost an arm, it was easy for pain to stab him.

3rd not losing an arm woul dbe nearly impossible to stab. because he would always have enma to transform in to the staff if it turns into a weapons battle.

but i doubt the 3rd woulduse that only if he knew he was going to die as a last resort.

[GiantMidget]

The only thing that worked when 3 bodies were out was genjutsu and the third doesn't use that, when all 6 is out, the genjutsu weakness is probably gonna be covered as well, i don't see how the third can win at all.

[Azn]

Yea. Its 6v1 to begin with lol. Plus, its not like they're push overs. They're all really coordinated. Its just really hard =/

[bluelion7342]

well every technique has a drawback.
there had to have been a reason that pein didnt start out with 6 on 1. He begin with 1, then that wasnt working then he moved to 3 then that didnt work then he settled with 6.

we dont know if pain will start out with 6 v 1 on the 3rd. that could be a big difference in the battle. i can see the 3rd taking on 3 by himself and enma taking on the other 3. but i think those 2 can effectively take on 6 pains.

at least long enough for the "secret" to be discovered.