3rd Hokage (in his Prime) Vs Pain

[GiantMidget]

This is the battle arena we always assume the opponent is going at max, the third in his prime will be up against all of pains bodies at once.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

This is the battle arena we always assume the opponent is going at max, the third in his prime will be up against all of pains bodies at once.

I dont think the third could take Pein.

Not because of his power level, but because he doesnt know his secret.

It seems to me like knowing it is neccesary to defeat him.

Whatever the secret Jiraiya went from feeling he had wasted his life, to feeling he had finally done something honorable.

I'm sure this secret was absolutley neccesary, and anyone wishing to take on Pein would need to know it. Hence Jiraiyas sudden rush of honor from his writing it because it can make Pein vulnerable.

[ifeanyi84]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

This is the battle arena we always assume the opponent is going at max, the third in his prime will be up against all of pains bodies at once.

i disagree. it's the battle arena so yes we do assume that both fighters will be going at max all out, but bringing out all six bodies at once right away, would certainly not play to pain's strengths. just like shinobi fights are about intelligence and timing, bringing out all the bodies without the proper timing would be costly, just as much as showing his hand prematurely would be costly.

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

The only thing that worked when 3 bodies were out was genjutsu and the third doesn't use that, when all 6 is out, the genjutsu weakness is probably gonna be covered as well, i don't see how the third can win at all.

the third certainly does use genjutsu. for him to know "all of the techniques in konoha" he would have to have serious genjutsu skill.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

i disagree. it's the battle arena so yes we do assume that both fighters will be going at max all out, but bringing out all six bodies at once right away, would certainly not play to pain's strengths. just like shinobi fights are about intelligence and timing, bringing out all the bodies without the proper timing would be costly, just as much as showing his hand prematurely would be costly.

the third certainly does use genjutsu. for him to know "all of the techniques in konoha" he would have to have serious genjutsu skill.

All he has to do is keep hidden the body that revives and the Third will be worn out after beating 5 and thinking he has won then out of nowhere all of them are back.

Also just because he knows all the techniques doesn't mean he good at them.

[Whimsy]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

All he has to do is keep hidden the body that revives and the Third will be worn out after beating 5 and thinking he has won then out of nowhere all of them are back.

Also just because he knows all the techniques doesn't mean he good at them.

You really are clutching at straws now.

[GiantMidget]

How? kakashi knows like 1000 techniques yet he doesn't use the ones he isn't good at.

its pretty obvious orochimaru is weak against genjutsus, why didn't the third use them against him? the Third wears armor that tells a lot about a guy.

[ifeanyi84]

we have no idea why kakashi doesnt use the other 994 techniques he knows.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

How? kakashi knows like 1000 techniques yet he doesn't use the ones he isn't good at.

its pretty obvious orochimaru is weak againet genjutsus, why didnt the third use them against him?

??

Where has that been stated.

Just because you know 1000 jutsu doesnt mean you have to use them all in battle to prove you've mastered them.

I mean sasuke's sharingan could've allowed him to learn how many jutsu from orochimaru?

Yet he beat Deidra with his lightning. One jutsu. One element.

You use jutsu when the occasion calls for it, not just randomly, he might have water or fire jutsu that he's never needed to use, because he hasnt faced, or been showed to face oppoenets who had that weakness.

[GiantMidget]

The orochimaru situation clearly called for it yet he did not use it.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

The orochimaru situation clearly called for it yet he did not use it.

I believe the orochimaru scenario called for him to use the deadliest technique he had, and was most adept at, and i dont see why he shouldnt have used Chidori.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

I believe the orochimaru scenario called for him to use the deadliest technique he had, and was most adept at, and i dont see why he shouldnt have used Chidori.

I'm talking about the third vs orochimaru

[Ycagel]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

How? kakashi knows like 1000 techniques yet he doesn't use the ones he isn't good at.

its pretty obvious orochimaru is weak against genjutsus, why didn't the third use them against him? the Third wears armor that tells a lot about a guy.

You know... The Sandaime has maxed out Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, and Taijutsu stats in the Databook... and that's as a 69-year-old geezer. The only reason he didn't use many Jutsu in the Oro fight, is that his stamina is ridiculously low.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

I'm talking about the third vs orochimaru

Oh, exscuse me.

Well he was an old man.

He could barely cough out shadow clone, most of the jutsu at his disposal couldnt all be used, because he had to sparingly use his stamina as efficient as he could.

And he used the shinigami technque because the jutsu called for it. He didnt have enough power to defeat all three of them, and 2 of their bodies were indestructible.

He had to do something about their souls.

[bluelion7342]

from what we have seen so far it seems as if genjutsu does take a lot of chakra and concentration before you use it. As evident by Itachi, Kakashi, took a while for JIraiya to prepare his genjutsu attack, Kurenai took a while.

Doing genjutsu in the midst of battle by yourself is risky unless u have the sharingan already. BUt the 3rd knew ALL of the jutsus of konoha. He was the professor and like it was stated in the databook had stats that maxed out in every ninja aspect.

the reason he didnt do a lot of technques was because he wsa too old in his fight with oro. so he had to spare his chakra. but being in his prime now, thats not an issue he has to worry about.

[Menato]

If the third doesn't know pein's secret he cant win it doesn't matter how many jutsu's he knows

[Marlie]

Co-sign on that. Unless he can spam the Death god summon, the 3rd does'nt have a chance.