Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Doesn't matter, why do you have to assume Kakashi is so dependent on the sharingan. I do think Kakashi will have his chakra eaten at with his eye, but Sasuke uses sharingan (which does take a toll believe it or not, just not as drastic) plus his shunshin spam AND his chidori spam. Shunshin is the jutsu he's used the second most, after chidori that is.

Dude, you were the one who brought the long range shit up in the first place! You said Kakashi wasn't able to get Deidara close range for a fight, well obviously he didn't need to did he?

Kakashi may not know the genjutsus Sasuke does, but they proved to be rather futile against Itachi who also had the sharingan. Nobody was fooled, they both knew what had happened and were standing still the entire time.

You don't really know how much stamina Sasuke has, since you don't really know how long the fight was. Chapter length doesn't mean a lot of time in the fight. Who knows how long the DD fight lasted, and Sasuke was wasted when he got out of Manda.

Lulz, Naruto isn't genin level by any stretch of the word. His official rank is such, but that doesn't mean that's how strong he is. And yes kakuzu was defeated by him, after Kakashi wore him down. And kakuzu isn't the same as Kakashi, since all he's really done is use weird strings and powerful raw elements. That's not the same as honing jutsus and acquiring over a thousand techniques.

The MS statement was bull shit. I didn't say Kakashi would use the MS, I said he has it and Sasuke doesn't, meaning that Kakashi has the strongest sharingan. Kakashi isn't affected with fatigue until after the action. He was fine using it constantly in the Zabuza arch until afterwards, same with DD.

CS2 was released fairly quickly, and despite it decaying his body, it gives him a shitload of chakra which was the only reason he lasted that long. You have no idea how much chakra it takes to summon things, and you also don't know how much chakra it takes to use the snake hands. No I don't think Kakashi could do all this, but as I said earlier, he lasted an entire day with Sakura and Naruto using mostly Taijutsu and a bit of Ninjutsu.

[Uchihaeyez]

Oh my wow dude you completely bullshit things you know. We don't know how much chakra it takes to summon? Narutos regular chakra store is huge, and even jiraiya said that it wasn't enough. Naruto had to rely on Kyuubi chakra to summon Gamabunta, and Manda is the same size. The chakra output is equal to the size of the summon, hence why naruto at first could only summon small frogs.



And naruto's rank is irrelevant. You said that experience would be what kakashi had over sasuke, yet kakuza had that over all of them, having several lifetimes under his belt and he was still beat.


Sasuke was wasted when he got out of Manda, because he had just run a chidori through himself, Had gotten hit by part of Deidra's blast, and had to use a Hokage level summon when he couldnt even use ennough chakra to keep his sharingan on.

And what does that even mean? "All i said was that kakashi has MS, not that he would use it, so he has the strongest sharingan." If he doesnt use it then how is it soppose to even play a part, i dont get how this is soppose to strengthen you arguement.

And he does not SPAM the body flicker. Tell me whats the most he's used it in one battle, and you'll realize after you count it how ridiculous your statment is.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

"Oh my wow dude" lulz. That was a funny statement.

Kakuzu is a different case IMO simply because he doesn't use his experience to hone his skills like Kakashi. He simply uses weird black strings from his body and raw elemental power, not what I mean on Kakashi's case.

DD and Sasuke were both saying before he did the chidori through himself that he was nearly out of chakra anyways, so it doesn't matter.

And my point with the MS statement was this. You argue that Kakashi would be susceptable to Genjutsu, yet Kakashi has the stronger sharingan and in the Itachi fight, none of them were fooled so how do you know Sasuke would be able to use that against him. We don't know how Sasuke activates his Genjutsu, but if he did it through the eyes, Kakashi would use MS against him so that was my point.

I say he spams it because it's the jutsu he uses the most besides chidori, it's simply what has been shown the most throughout the manga by him.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Oh my wow dude you completely bullshit things you know. We don't know how much chakra it takes to summon? Narutos regular chakra store is huge, and even jiraiya said that it wasn't enough. Naruto had to rely on Kyuubi chakra to summon Gamabunta, and Manda is the same size. The chakra output is equal to the size of the summon, hence why naruto at first could only summon small frogs.

It wasn't that Naruto needed more chakra to summon gamabunta, simply by invoking the kyuubi chakra it improves everything overall, like how in 1 tail mode he could make a rasengan with 1 hand while in normal mode he needed 2 to spin the chakra.

[ifeanyi84]

not to mention that as inefficient as naruto was at molding the right amount of chakra for his jutsu, there's no way he would have been able to summon a large summon with his chakra.

on the whole experience tip, i think that there's two things to take into account. not only is kakashi much more experienced than sasuke, but he's also much smarter on top of it all. the fact that he's been said to have a brain like shikamaru seems to put him distinctly ahead of sasuke in this category. so when you put the two of these together, i think that kakashi has a clear advantage in that regard.

on the sharingan issue, i would give that to kakashi too. kakashi has been able to activate the MS, but going beyond that, he seems to just know more about the sharingan than sasuke anyway. the fact that sasuke seems to be just not finding out about the blindness and the real thing about the MS is a bit odd considering that kakashi seems to be somewhat in the know. on top of that, kakashi definitely has genjutsu ability without the sharingan. with the sharingan, there's no reason to suggest that his abilities in this area are anything less than one would expect from a person who has mastered the sharingan enough to unlock the MS.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Kakashi is pretty well knowledgable of the sharingan, but I do have to disagree on one subject you said. I think Sasuke has at least the same amount of knowledge on the sharingan simply because he found a room with all its secrets that Itachi told him about. In the manga, Sasuke already seemed to know the effect of the MS therefore the question "Are you blind?"

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

It wasn't that Naruto needed more chakra to summon gamabunta, simply by invoking the kyuubi chakra it improves everything overall, like how in 1 tail mode he could make a rasengan with 1 hand while in normal mode he needed 2 to spin the chakra.

No, your wrong.

[GiantMidget]

Aight i guess i was wrong, but the time he borrowed chakra from the kyuubi, he didnt take on any kyuuib traits at all like his nails or the whisker marks and such, that could be a sign of him not really borrowing that much chakra in the first place.

[Sasori da God]

so why was it orange then? the purple one was because he didnt need to waste chakra helping the seal so he could do it one handed

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Aight i guess i was wrong, but the time he borrowed chakra from the kyuubi, he didnt take on any kyuuib traits at all like his nails or the whisker marks and such, that could be a sign of him not really borrowing that much chakra in the first place.

I don't get your point?

[Girfinkle1]

sasukes legacy the cs requires chakra it doesn't improve sasuke amount of chakra. it is a steriod it enhances his speed and ninjutsu

[Sasuke's Legacy]

The CS is an enzyme FORCES more chakra to be pulled out, releasing a shinobi's full potential. It does give more chakra so get your facts straight.

[ifeanyi84]

it doesnt give me chakra. it forcibly pulls out the user's own chakra. sasuke's chakra will be used in greater amounts, but there's no extra chakra coming to sasuke from the cs. the longer he uses the cs, the more his chakra is drained. eventually if he uses it for too long, he'll run out of chakra.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Indeed it will, it's his own chakra that he forcibly draws from himself, chakra that wouldn't be as easy or able to obtain on his own, therefore seemingly an increase in chakra temporarily.

[ifeanyi84]

if anything, that would seem like an increase in power temporarily. at the end of the day, it's still draining his chakra faster instead of actually giving him any more.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Yah I guess your right, which potentially increases Kakashi's chances of winning. All Kakashi has to do is play idle and conserve his chakra while Sasuke uses up his resources. Sasuke would need a strategy to basically contain Kakashi long enough for combat, but I highly doubt Kakashi's intellect would stop him from making his own plan.

[GiantMidget]

kakashis gates can also give the effects of Sasuke CS, so i don't see how the CS would give Sasuke a definate advantage.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

It isn't really, more of a short term gain, long term loss.

I doubt Kakashi would release gates just because Sasuke went CS2, if anything I think he'll just conserve until he finds an opening.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Sasuke's Legacy

Yah I guess your right, which potentially increases Kakashi's chances of winning. All Kakashi has to do is play idle and conserve his chakra while Sasuke uses up his resources. Sasuke would need a strategy to basically contain Kakashi long enough for combat, but I highly doubt Kakashi's intellect would stop him from making his own plan.

WTF? How the hell would kakashi outlast sasuke in terms of chakra, and stamina?

[GiantMidget]

By conserving it better?