Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

By conserving it better?

How does a person conserve chakra when its constantly being drained from them?

And please give me details as to how he would "conserve," his chakra.

[ifeanyi84]

limit his use of jutsu hat would be highly taxing to his chakra and stamina.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

limit his use of jutsu hat would be highly taxing to his chakra and stamina.

Give me a more detailed anwser.

WHat jutsu's would he use to allow him to stay on the offensive, and still conserve chakra?

And i think your seriousley underestimating sasuke if you think he can limit himself to lower jutsu and still beat him.

[ifeanyi84]

i actually dont think that the fight would come down to who runs out of chakra first. kakashi fought naruto and sakura for a day. sasuke has more chakra than kakashi, it's not gonna come down to that.

and i dont need to give you any more details. the statement he made didnt say anything about being on the offensive. he actually said play idle. the fights arent always about busting out high powered jutsu to win. kakashi being smarter and more experienced might possibly bide his time and a way to attack with a well timed, rather than overpowering jutsu.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

i actually dont think that the fight would come down to who runs out of chakra first. kakashi fought naruto and sakura for a day. sasuke has more chakra than kakashi, it's not gonna come down to that.

and i dont need to give you any more details. the statement he made didnt say anything about being on the offensive. he actually said play idle. the fights arent always about busting out high powered jutsu to win. kakashi being smarter and more experienced might possibly bide his time and a way to attack with a well timed, rather than overpowering jutsu.

So basically your saying kakashi could win if sasuke kept busting out uber jutsu, while he continually dodged.

Lets be realistic.

Not only are you underestimating sasuke's intelligence, your also underestimating his speed, and attack power.

And running from two ninjas in the forest isn't as hard as fighting in a battle.

Theres less time to think, no time to run behind a tree, and calculate.

And so what if he lasted the whole day.

He can't do that in battle, so its irrelevant.

[ifeanyi84]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

So basically your saying kakashi could win if sasuke kept busting out uber jutsu, while he continually dodged.

Lets be realistic.

Not only are you underestimating sasuke's intelligence, your also underestimating his speed, and attack power.

And running from two ninjas in the forest isn't as hard as fighting in a battle.

Theres less time to think, no time to run behind a tree, and calculate.

And so what if he lasted the whole day.

He can't do that in battle, so its irrelevant.

i think you need to fall back a little bit right now. you and sasuke's legacy were talking about something to which i simply pointed out what the obvious response to your question is. your response to that was this:

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

How does a person conserve chakra when its constantly being drained from them?

And please give me details as to how he would "conserve," his chakra.

now it seems that you've taken umbrage at my response to that, when the response is actually correct. whatever the chakra drain is, know that it's not gonna matter. kakashi activated his sharingan at the start of the little test, and they were pretty much at it for a whole day. whether they are fighting in a battle, or just going for a walk in the park, there's nothing to suggest that the chakra drain from having the sharingan active would be any different in either case. and for the record, you dont know what happened during that day. you dont know that kakashi was just running the whole time. as a matter of fact, it's more likely that he wasnt simply running the entire time because then naruto and sakura wouldnt have been complaining about how strong and skilled he was. either way, the manga shows us almost nothing at all that happened during the test, so there's no reason to even say what you said.

and one more thing. dont put words in my mouth. i didnt "basically say" anything. i said what i said and it's in the post right above yours. you must not have read it, because i dont how you got what you got.

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

i actually dont think that the fight would come down to who runs out of chakra first. kakashi fought naruto and sakura for a day. sasuke has more chakra than kakashi, it's not gonna come down to that.

and i dont need to give you any more details. the statement he made didnt say anything about being on the offensive. he actually said play idle. the fights arent always about busting out high powered jutsu to win. kakashi being smarter and more experienced might possibly bide his time and a way to attack with a well timed, rather than overpowering jutsu.

what i actually said is that the fights arent always about busting out high powered jutsu. i also said, i dont think it's gonna be about outlasting or saving chakra. i'm not underestimating sasuke in any way. if anything i think we just have a difference of opinion here. i dont think sasuke's speed is greater than kakashi's and i definitely dont think it will be a factor in the fight. i dont think sasuke's intelligence matters because kakashi is more intelligent, more experienced, and more skilled.

i dont see anything in posts that should be really bothering you at all. if it was anybody else posting, i'd think it was just because you're a sasuke fan. since it's you, i'm thinking there's more to it than that (hopefully) but i dont see it. either way, i dont really like having to defend myself about things that i didnt even say.

[Girfinkle1]

wow ifeani u must be really anti sasuke hes just a character yeah yeah i know what ur going to say "ur a super sasuke fanboy stfu" i know but wow dude u'd prolly say ten ten can beat him if she played her cards right. anyway. Sasuke has more chakra than kakashi not to mention sasukes sharingan doesn't require nearly as much chakra as kakashis does but than sasuke has the cs which really puts him at an advantage. u said sasuke is quicker and well i think thats a given but ur second statement was that it doesn't matter. speed always matters if sasuke can dondge most of kakashis attacks and attack kakashi faster than kakashi can defend if only by a little than hes at an advantage. Sasuke doesn't span high chakra moves if u didn't notice he can use over 10 in a battle he used ii think 8 and summoned the manda so he can use atleast 10. than u say kakashi is more intellegent. how do u know when have we seen sasuke do something stupid? your responce is "well dd almost killed him" sasuke was in control of that entire battle until the very last explosion and even than he had an out rought. u can't hold it against sasuke that he was trying to capture dd and not kill him. Experience doesn't really matter at a point kakashi is more experienced than itachi yet itachi whooped on him. j man is way more experienced than pein yet pein won. kazuku whiped the floor with naruto in terms of exp yet naruto whipped the floor with kazuku. infact all of narutos battles he has been way weaker in terms of exp yet he wins em all. also whos to say sasuke doesn't have a good amount of exp hes killed 2 kage level opponents and hes wiped out countless ninja hes got alot of exp. Than u say kakashi is more skilled. huh? In what Sasuke can copy any jutsu he has manipulated the chidori past kakashis point. hes better in both tiajutsu and genjutsu. where does kakashis more skill come into play?

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Wow... I'm a sasuke fan but that's pure fanboyism... She/he NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT!!! Give me a post where he/she blatantly undermined Sasuke's character, especially one that is 'anti sasuke'. ifeani is merely pointing out things and responding, so how can you assume that? And every thread that involves Sasuke means your in it rooting for him. Yes, I'm calling you a true fanboy.

Have we missed the 'WHOLE FUCKING DAY WITH SAKURA AND NARUTO WITH SHARINGAN ACTIVATED'??? It would at least be enough to give him time for a take down even if Sasuke had so much miraculous stamina.

CS2 is a short term gain, long term loss. It deteriorates the body...

Sasuke's going to be the one dodging?? And Sasuke won't be faster if Kakashi released gates as GM stated. And defend only a little?? Dude, if Kakashi had the chance he'd take Sasuke out, so what is with the little?

That's spamming dude... You said it's not spamming when he can use a potential S-ranked manipulation jutsu 10 times? Chidori isn't S-rank but the sheer manipulation control needed to make senbon and currents needs a lot.

Sasuke isn't stupid, no one said that. And don't tell me what the hell I'm going to say, sorry but not everyone thinks like you, proof is that our towns and cities are not burning right now. But Sasuke's smarts doesn't match Shikamaru's, annd Kakashi is just as smart as Shika.

Sasuke was never in control of that battle completely, hence the injuries his suffered during the battle.

Itachi was fifty times more of a prodigy than anyone else at the time so you can't say shit about that, he's in his own league when it comes to progression. Jayman taught all of his shit to Pein, giving him the experience he had already accumulated so that means nothing. I already responded to the Kakuzu thing, he only uses raw elements and doesn't progress. Nothing more than that.

Better in both tai and gen?? Retire dude, go home. Sasuke has speed, there's been nothing to say he's anywhere NEAR Kakashi's level who could easily match Rock Lee plus he has gates. You have no proof with the gen.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

i think you need to fall back a little bit right now. you and sasuke's legacy were talking about something to which i simply pointed out what the obvious response to your question is.

Fair enough.

your response to that was this:
now it seems that you've taken umbrage at my response to that, when the response is actually correct. whatever the chakra drain is, know that it's not gonna matter. kakashi activated his sharingan at the start of the little test, and they were pretty much at it for a whole day. whether they are fighting in a battle, or just going for a walk in the park, there's nothing to suggest that the chakra drain from having the sharingan active would be any different in either case. and for the record, you dont know what happened during that day. you dont know that kakashi was just running the whole time. as a matter of fact, it's more likely that he wasnt simply running the entire time because then naruto and sakura wouldnt have been complaining about how strong and skilled he was. either way, the manga shows us almost nothing at all that happened during the test, so there's no reason to even say what you said.

You reprimand me for assuming he was running the whole time, and then you go on to say he might've been fighting the whole time. It does not take a whole days worth of fighting for someone to say someone else is strong, your the one making assumptions now.

And since your saying that there actually is no recollection to what was going on during the majority of the test, then i demand that you stop using it as an arguement to kakashi's stamina.

Take any other encounter kakashi has had against an oppoenet, and juxtopose that with sasuke's fight with Deidra, and its pretty damn obvious in terms of stamina, and chakra sasuke wins hands down.

and one more thing. dont put words in my mouth. i didnt "basically say" anything. i said what i said and it's in the post right above yours. you must not have read it, because i dont how you got what you got.

Your right, i misread your post, sorry man.

what i actually said is that the fights arent always about busting out high powered jutsu. i also said, i dont think it's gonna be about outlasting or saving chakra. i'm not underestimating sasuke in any way. if anything i think we just have a difference of opinion here. i dont think sasuke's speed is greater than kakashi's and i definitely dont think it will be a factor in the fight. i dont think sasuke's intelligence matters because kakashi is more intelligent, more experienced, and more skilled.

I don't believe it either, i simply argued so it couldnt be argued for that to be in kakashi's favor, becuase tho it might not drastically effect the battle i feel sasuke's stamina and chakra do exceed kakashi's, and i made the point simply to make the point, it was a tangent i shouldnt have gone off of but i did.

i dont see anything in posts that should be really bothering you at all. if it was anybody else posting, i'd think it was just because you're a sasuke fan. since it's you, i'm thinking there's more to it than that (hopefully) but i dont see it. either way, i dont really like having to defend myself about things that i didnt even say.

I'm sorry you felt like you had to defend yourself, but i was simply making an arguement. I'm glad you called me out on it tho, instead of posting on a few insults back, ur the bigger man, and you can rest assured it won't happen again.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

You reprimand me for assuming he was running the whole time, and then you go on to say he might've been fighting the whole time. It does not take a whole days worth of fighting for someone to say someone else is strong, your the one making assumptions now.

And since your saying that there actually is no recollection to what was going on during the majority of the test, then i demand that you stop using it as an arguement to kakashi's stamina.

Take any other encounter kakashi has had against an oppoenet, and juxtopose that with sasuke's fight with Deidra, and its pretty damn obvious in terms of stamina, and chakra sasuke wins hands down.




Your right, i misread your post, sorry man.




I don't believe it either, i simply argued so it couldnt be argued for that to be in kakashi's favor, becuase tho it might not drastically effect the battle i feel sasuke's stamina and chakra do exceed kakashi's, and i made the point simply to make the point, it was a tangent i shouldnt have gone off of but i did.




I'm sorry you felt like you had to defend yourself, but i was simply making an arguement. I'm glad you called me out on it tho, instead of posting on a few insults back, ur the bigger man, and you can rest assured it won't happen again.

Regardless of stamina, this fight will definitely not come down to a stamina battle, if it did there is always the option of gates for kakashi.

Sasuke doesn't really have that much chakra in the first place if i remember correct for like 80% of the fight he was in CS mode, CS forcefully creates more chakra.
so originally Sasukes chakra isn't that much and when it really comes down to it kakashi won't be behind in chakra amount of stamina due to his gates and Sasuke having his CS

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Regardless of stamina, this fight will definitely not come down to a stamina battle, if it did there is always the option of gates for kakashi.

Sasuke doesn't really have that much chakra in the first place if i remember correct for like 80% of the fight he was in CS mode, CS forcefully creates more chakra.
so originally Sasukes chakra isn't that much and when it really comes down to it kakashi won't be behind in chakra amount of stamina due to his gates and Sasuke having his CS

Oh my gosh i'm freakin tired of this automatic pwn shit with gates.

That does not change the fact that kakashi would still have to get close to sasuke to use the attack power thats gates gives you in physical attacks, increased by momentum from speed. And chidori nagashi would stop kakashi's physical attacks, and if kakashi implemented jutsu with his speed, then sasuke would be able to copy it with his sharingan, or just watch, and predict the movements, and use chidori nagashi in case his body couldnt keep up with kakashi's, just as neji uses his rotation when there are attacks in his blind spot.

And sasuke didn't use CS when he summoned Manda, and that was when he was all out of chakra, and stamina.

He is a beast when it comes to chakra and stamina, regardless of CS.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

Kakashi doesn't necessarily have to use the gates for physical confrontation, since your right that he'd just get the shit stung out of him.

But the later gates give a huge increase in useable chakre, just like the CS2 which I think was the point of bringing it up.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Oh my gosh i'm freakin tired of this automatic pwn shit with gates.

That does not change the fact that kakashi would still have to get close to sasuke to use the attack power thats gates gives you in physical attacks, increased by momentum from speed. And chidori nagashi would stop kakashi's physical attacks, and if kakashi implemented jutsu with his speed, then sasuke would be able to copy it with his sharingan, or just watch, and predict the movements, and use chidori nagashi in case his body couldnt keep up with kakashi's, just as neji uses his rotation when there are attacks in his blind spot.

And sasuke didn't use CS when he summoned Manda, and that was when he was all out of chakra, and stamina.

He is a beast when it comes to chakra and stamina, regardless of CS.

The CS gives you a hell of a a lot of chakra, it gives you enough to compete with the 1 tail, i doubt Sasuke even used half of that when he only used chidori nagashi like once chakra needles like once and the chakra sword a few times. there was plenty left for manda. when Sasuke is in normal mode he shouldnt have that much more then kakashi, but in CS he does.

Im pretty sure a little electricity that is only enough to paralyzed you for like a minute would not affect a guy in gates.

When lee was in gates he was moving so fast he was like in 50 places at once, and thats only lee, kakashi who's body is a lot stronger, on the level of gai, would be even faster, kakashi will definitely not start with gates though, it will be like a last resort if nothing he does works.

But lets say Sasuke can keep up with kakashi movements in gates, kakashi can predict where hes going to go as well.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Sasuke's Legacy

Kakashi doesn't necessarily have to use the gates for physical confrontation, since your right that he'd just get the shit stung out of him.

But the later gates give a huge increase in useable chakre, just like the CS2 which I think was the point of bringing it up.

He used CS2 numerous times, but simply for the purposes of elevation, it never seemed to me like he was down on chakra, and restorted to CS2 to seek stamina, and chakra.

And no actually he wouldnt get stung, that wouldnt change the fact that chidori nagashi paralyzes. It doenst zAp you.

It's a current. CHidori current is the exact trasnlation. When your hit the current circulates through your body and shocks you to the point of temporary paralysis.

[Sasuke's Legacy]

I know what it is dude, you take things way to literally. Figure of speech maybe?? I'd think so... since I said it.

And why are you telling me why he used the CS2?? All I said was that Kakashi doesn't HAVE to use it for straight up tai, since it gives him about the same effect as CS2, giving extra power and chakra.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Sasuke's Legacy

I know what it is dude, you take things way to literally. Figure of speech maybe?? I'd think so... since I said it.

And why are you telling me why he used the CS2?? All I said was that Kakashi doesn't HAVE to use it for straight up tai, since it gives him about the same effect as CS2, giving extra power and chakra.

Hm i thought it was being said that sasuke's use of the CS in his DD battle, was because he didnt have enough chakra. I pointed out htat he used it for elevation purposes to get to Deidra.