Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Who said Kakashi isn't a taijutsu user, if he wasn't i doubt Gai would consider him a rival since all Gai does is tajutsu.

Seriously Gai consider kakashi as a rival because not of his taijutsu. because kakashi was a prodigy ninja ever since he was a kid. Also not to forget that kakashi have a sharingan that can see opponent moves.

but that a different matter if Gai whos faster than Lee and Kakashi could not keep up against Lee when Lee open the gates.

Gai > Kakashi. Dont expect and say again Kakashi MS will kill Gai.

Sasuke have advance jutsu than kakashi.

Kakashi could not take a lightning element chakra from kakuzu. Then ur thinking dat kakashi can survive against Kirin, even Itachi said he would have been disappeared from that jutsu without having susannoo.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by endomilik

Kakashi could not take a lightning element chakra from kakuzu. Then ur thinking dat kakashi can survive against Kirin, even Itachi said he would have been disappeared from that jutsu without having susannoo.

Exactly.

To say Kakashi could cut through Kirin with chidori is ludicracy.

And saying he could dodge it is saying he's faster than Itachi, which is idiocy.

[Redshadow49]

kakashi isn't as fast or faster then sasuke (fact)

kakashi's single sharingan is completely different from sasukes:
kakashi's sharingan has the ms which uses a physical attack,
Sasuke's sharingan beat the best genjutsu user, but is no way able to deflect kakashi's Physical MS. (fact, and some opinions)

Sasukes sharingan (Without MS) is stronger then Kakashi's Sharingan (withoug ms) (Fact)

Since someone like lee learned to open five gates, Kakashi a jonin (who could be hokage) must know how to open atleast that much. (opinion)

With gates opened Kakashi could be as fast if not faster then Sasuke (Fact)

If Kakashi could match Sasuke in speed then it comes down to attacks

Kakashi has less chakra then sasuke (fact)
So he probebly would try to finish it quickly. With speeds being the same kakashi, one ms attack would finish Sasuke. (fact)

Sasukes kirin would take one fire jutsu just to prepare for the attack, Kakashi won't just wait (fact)

Kakashi has a lot more experience then sasuke. Kakashi knows how to:
use sealing jutsus, all five elemental jutsus, gates, shadow clone, and MS (fact)

Kakashi kept up with two akatsuki at the same time, and was holding back (opinion and fact)

I believe very strongly that we have never seen kakashi go all out like we saw jiraiya do, sasuke do, naruto do (four tailed), or even sarutobi. (opinion)

Kakashi may have his own secret (powerful) jutsu like all the other ninjas who had to go all out and had to reveal it. (opinion)

We have already seen Sasuke going all out (fact)

If kakashi and Sasuke fought all out, I still believe kakashi will come out the winner

[GiantMidget]

Thats what i think too, but for now until we see kakashi play all his cards in one battle like many others like Sasuke or Jiraiya or DD, Sasuke will probably win from what we currently know of kakashi.

[dareason06]

I think Kakashi will beat Sasuke because he's the copy ninja anything someone throws at him he just copies it and turns it back on him. Dont get me wrong sasuke is pretty kicka** but both of them even have sharingan, Kakashi just has only one though. Overall it will be close but Kakashi prevails

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by dareason06

I think Kakashi will beat Sasuke because he's the copy ninja anything someone throws at him he just copies it and turns it back on him. Dont get me wrong sasuke is pretty kicka** but both of them even have sharingan, Kakashi just has only one though. Overall it will be close but Kakashi prevails

The only kakashi is called "Copy Ninja" because of sharingan, any sharingan can copy technique.

but there are some technique that cannot be copied.

over all Kirin > kakashi. Kakashi cant dodge it (fact)
kakashi isnt faster than sasuke (fact)

sasuke have cs2 making him more kick ass (fact)
sasuke have genjutsu the trap orochimaru (fact)

Who knows maybe kakashi will get trap by sasuke genjutsu too? since kakashi doesnt know exactly what that genjutsu is, all it say there by orochimaru it was the same from Itachi.

Kakashi could not escape from MS genjutsu. It would be over for kakashi to escape from sasuke trap genjutsu.

[GiantMidget]

I was with you until, you said he couldn't escape Sasukes regular genjutsus because he couldn't escape the MS genjutsus, Sasukes genjutsus are only powerful if you make eye contact thsoe are his sharingan genjutsus the regular genjutsus that he uses without eye contact arent as strong, and kakashi knows better then to look into his eyes.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

I was with you until, you said he couldn't escape Sasukes regular genjutsus because he couldn't escape the MS genjutsus, Sasukes genjutsus are only powerful if you make eye contact thsoe are his sharingan genjutsus the regular genjutsus that he uses without eye contact arent as strong, and kakashi knows better then to look into his eyes.

Yep, but you can be forced into genjutsu even if your trying to avoid it.

Itachi made Kakashi look into his eyes, but luckily it was Kakashi's Kage bunshin.

[GiantMidget]

Yes, but Im just saying that most genjutsus are useless against kakashi besides the sharingan genjutsus which i doubt kakashi will look into Sasukes eyes.

[MasterTragedy]

* Is Glad that 55% of the voters here have any sense.

Kakashi would win plain and simple.

And Uchihaeyez, thats funny when you say

"I'm not gonna repeat the reasoning, but i seriousley suggest you read the last 20 pages if you want to make an arguement and have it taken seriousley"

Its funny cause no matter what reasoning anyone gives, it'll never be taken seriously for what it is where your concerned. Kishi himself could walk up and say kakashi is stronger and you'd still refuse it.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Tragedy

* Is Glad that 55% of the voters here have any sense.
Its funny cause no matter what reasoning anyone gives, it'll never be taken seriously for what it is where your concerned. Kishi himself could walk up and say kakashi is stronger and you'd still refuse it.

Thats funny.

Cuz i've given statements BACKED with proof, things that have actually happened.

If your saying i'm arguing against FACTS being thrown at me, then your retarded.

No one For Kakashi has proven anything that says he would beat Sasuke.

And if Kishi said that, i couldn't argue it, but i could ask him why he portrayed Sasuke as being the stronger type, since Sasuke has been shown to be such a better shinobi.

[nejix321]

Deidara was able to read Sasuke movements and was able to dodge them effectively.

You guys give Sasuke way to much hype, you go from saying how much better Sasuke is then Naruto and now Kakashi, jeez lol. There are probably many people who can match Sasuke's speed, Neji, Lee, Kakashi, Gai, Pein, Tobi lol.

Kakashi takes this after a good fight but still say something like "You need more training" or something like that. I think in Naruto experience and Jutsu is what counts.

[endomilik]

Originally Posted by nejix321

Deidara was able to read Sasuke movements and was able to dodge them effectively.

You guys give Sasuke way to much hype, you go from saying how much better Sasuke is then Naruto and now Kakashi, jeez lol. There are probably many people who can match Sasuke's speed, Neji, Lee, Kakashi, Gai, Pein, Tobi lol.

Kakashi takes this after a good fight but still say something like "You need more training" or something like that. I think in Naruto experience and Jutsu is what counts.

How to hit sasuke if Sasuke use a high level manipulation lightning around his body.

Its clearly visible on manga that even Kakashi have lightning chakra manipulation he still get damage from it. Kakuzu was able to damage kakashi with lightning element, kakashi could not avoid it at all.

kakuzu who's slower compare to sasuke and kakashi could not avoid his attack.

[btsilver]

There is no way in hell Sasuke would win against Kakashi. Kakashi is far more experienced in fighting than sasuke and actually taught him some of his moves. Im sure he would not be surprised by anything that sasuke does except for maybe the replacement technique that sasuke can now do. Sasuke would never have a chance to get Kirin off in a fight against Kakashi, since any decent ninja wouldnt let you set up a theatrical move like that. We havent been able to acurately compare speeds, but i would have to say they are pretty close in that department. And personally I think that sasukes own self-overconfidence would hurt him in the end if he even had a chance.

[Emblem810]

ok have you SEEN kirin. Kirin is a move that almost killed Itachi. itachi barely survived with Susano. what in the world makes you think kakashi is gonna survive that. the only powerup we've seen from kakashi is his MS black hole technique. which took him like 20 minutes to be able to do. and he can also use it like twice. that techinique is easily dodgeable by sauskes speed, not to mention sauske has chidori nagashi, and curse seal.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by nejix321

Deidara was able to read Sasuke movements and was able to dodge them effectively.

You guys give Sasuke way to much hype, you go from saying how much better Sasuke is then Naruto and now Kakashi, jeez lol. There are probably many people who can match Sasuke's speed, Neji, Lee, Kakashi, Gai, Pein, Tobi lol.

Kakashi takes this after a good fight but still say something like "You need more training" or something like that. I think in Naruto experience and Jutsu is what counts.

In Naruto experience counts?

Then explain to me how pein beat Jiraiya

How naruto beat Haku

How Oro beat the 3rd

How Naruto beat Neji

How Naruto beat Gaara

How Shikamaru beat Hidan.

Experience means very little in Naruto.

[Reikage]

Hmm I think I've read every post after Kirin was introduced so I'm gonna go out on a limb and bring up the arguement about Kakashi being able to dodge/nullify it. I'm surprised no one brought up the fact that Kakashi's MS was able to nullify one Deidara's blast at the last minute, and that was after he was already looking low on chakra. Take that and combine it with the fact that Kakashi was able to cut a lightning bolt and I'd say he has a fair chance of nullifying Kirin with his MS.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Reikage

Hmm I think I've read every post after Kirin was introduced so I'm gonna go out on a limb and bring up the arguement about Kakashi being able to dodge/nullify it. I'm surprised no one brought up the fact that Kakashi's MS was able to nullify one Deidara's blast at the last minute, and that was after he was already looking low on chakra. Take that and combine it with the fact that Kakashi was able to cut a lightning bolt and I'd say he has a fair chance of nullifying Kirin with his MS.

Sasukes Kirin is hundreds of times faster than an explosion.

You can't even compare it to the speed of DD's explosion.

Especially since DD had shown he was going to explode, he could've just as easily prepared for the MS when he said he was going to explode, and as his body was amplifying.

[bluewingedD]

You neglected the fact that kakashi cut through a lighting bolt. That does imply that he has the reaction time and speed, to do something against kirin. I althoug I don't believe that he could do thing against it. But you can't ignore that fact.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

You neglected the fact that kakashi cut through a lighting bolt. That does imply that he has the reaction time and speed, to do something against kirin. I althoug I don't believe that he could do thing against it. But you can't ignore that fact.

lighting bolts STRIKE at 1/1000 of a second.

But they stay in form for a longer than that has they hit.

Kakashi cut a lightning bolt in half. Meaning he hit it from an outer point around the lightning bolt.

Meaning yea Kakashi could cut a thunderbolt in half in the few seconds it takes for its atoms and electrons to disapear.

But he couldnt hit it or avoid it in the 1/1000 of a second he would have.