Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[bluewingedD]

It never said how he struck the lighting bolt so you really, can't say that's how it happened.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

It never said how he struck the lighting bolt so you really, can't say that's how it happened.

Then i say the same to you.
You can't say thats how it happened unless you prove it.

And since you just said its not provable, you should remove it from your arguement, just as you advised i should.

[bluewingedD]

it never was apart of my arguement. I clearly said, that i don't think kakashi could do anything with that attack. All I said was you couldn't ignore the fact that he did cut through lighting/

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

it never was apart of my arguement. I clearly said, that i don't think kakashi could do anything with that attack. All I said was you couldn't ignore the fact that he did cut through lighting/

Okay, but if your not going to use it in your arguement, then its irrelvant, and i'm sincerly asking you remove it from your statements b4 some noobs read it, and start spouting that they discovered something, and it takes ten pages to shut em up.

[bluewingedD]

I have no arguement. I'm on your side in this debate. if noobs start spourting non-sense, then just ignore it, because it's never going stop anyway.

[endomilik]

man yall so think that kakashi so special able to cut off a single lightning strike..

Kirin is different from lightning bolt, its a gathered lightning and using both nature and chakra element at the same time, even itachi said it himself that he will get cremated from that jutsu and he said that sasuke become strong, no "very very strong"..

BTW a human in reality survive from a lightning strike before..although its a burned skinned

[Night Hawk]

well , as kakashi said that naruto had now surpassed him , i would say sasuke would be able to beat kakashi . As i very much doubt at this exact moment in time naruto would be able to beat sasuke without the demons help.

[CyberSonic]

both of em smart but kakashi's got more knowledge and experience.Also he knows sasuke's fighting style,his characther.

On the other hand.He is low on charkra compared to sasuke.Using sharingan puts him in a disadvantage.Without sharingan he can do much ninjutsu(he knows 1000) but he cant do much using genjutsu(we haven't see it until but probably he knows something at least dispelling) and taijutsu.

In order to beat sasuke kakashi needs to keep fighting time short.All sasuke needs being fast and aware of kakashi's doings.That way saskue wins.But thinking that kakashi can use doton techniques he can bind sasuke.Also he knows about sealing..He may know a kind of binding that way too.

Chances are close..I see only chance for kakashi ,using fog jutsu and doton thing(like he did to itachi) or dogs(sense of smell) and finish sasuke.but if it fails sasuke wont fall again to that trick.

[ZenMasterX098]

THIS IS A THEORY: Yeah lightning strikes in 1/1000 times in a second, when kakashi cut through the lightning bolt, lightning usually stays for a few moments but not after maybe 3/4 of a second. he cut since he cut through it, means that he cut it at around 1/2 seconds to 3/4 seconds meaning that its 500/1000 to 750/1000 second when he cut through the bolt. so by subtracting 1/1000 second from them, it means that kakashi would have to be faster by 499/1000 to 749/1000 second. This might not seem a lot, but in the ninja world where .1 of a second could decide a match, its saying that sasuke while using the kirin maybe 499X to 749X faster than kakashi. But of course this is just my theory.

Edit: even though sasuke isnt as strong as like sannin level, I beileve he is being underrated. I mean that a few forums say that Neji is a match for him and he'll get owned by neji. I mean wtf is neji right now. Neji is nooooowhere near as strong as sasuke. I mean seriously, Kishi would want us to think that sasuke is strong, otherwise he wudnt emphasize his speed, killing 2 akatsuki members, and making a super move that goes like 300000km/second.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ZenMasterX098

THIS IS A THEORY: Yeah lightning strikes in 1/1000 times in a second, when kakashi cut through the lightning bolt, lightning usually stays for a few moments but not after maybe 3/4 of a second. he cut since he cut through it, means that he cut it at around 1/2 seconds to 3/4 seconds meaning that its 500/1000 to 750/1000 second when he cut through the bolt. so by subtracting 1/1000 second from them, it means that kakashi would have to be faster by 499/1000 to 749/1000 second. This might not seem a lot, but in the ninja world where .1 of a second could decide a match, its saying that sasuke while using the kirin maybe 499X to 749X faster than kakashi. But of course this is just my theory.

Lol i said all this pages ago.

[Fujita]

Originally Posted by ultirenegade

if he was as good as you are trying to porteray him, he would not have been getting his ass kicked by kakuzu.

kakashi's ms is not an instant pwn like itachi's ms.

sasuke has surpassed him.

...Kakashi was getting owned because he was trying to protect his friends. Secondly we don't know what kakashi is like with his ms now, when he used it against DD it was NEW so of course it took time to use it, just like it would for any new jutsu. Obviously with more practice he would be much better at using it.

Kakshi can manipulate more elements then Sasuke, he has more jutsus, more batlle experience, he's a better tactition ( it's been stated that he's as smart or even smarter than shika). If people actually looked at it objectively, Kakashi has Sasuke outmatched in almost every department, apart from speed. Sasuke doesn't even have Oro anymore, and without Oro sasuke's chances are pretty slim.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Fujita

...Kakashi was getting owned because he was trying to protect his friends. Secondly we don't know what kakashi is like with his ms now, when he used it against DD it was NEW so of course it took time to use it, just like it would for any new jutsu. Obviously with more practice he would be much better at using it.

Kakshi can manipulate more elements then Sasuke, he has more jutsus, more batlle experience, he's a better tactition ( it's been stated that he's as smart or even smarter than shika). If people actually looked at it objectively, Kakashi has Sasuke outmatched in almost every department, apart from speed. Sasuke doesn't even have Oro anymore, and without Oro sasuke's chances are pretty slim.

More elements? All the ones that he copied you mean?

And what did he copy them with?

Ohhhh wait. His Sharingan.

The thing that Sasuke has.

The thing that Sasuke can use to copy Kakashi's hand seal jutsu, which is pretty much most of his element jutsu.

And Sasuke's chidori is way more advanced than kakashi's, and can be used in various ways, and situations.

And now that Sasuke has MS.

Ameratsu would fuck up Kakashi.

He might be able to resist Tsukuyomi.

Susano'o would demolish him.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

More elements? All the ones that he copied you mean?

And what did he copy them with?

Ohhhh wait. His Sharingan.

The thing that Sasuke has.

The thing that Sasuke can use to copy Kakashi's hand seal jutsu, which is pretty much most of his element jutsu.

And Sasuke's chidori is way more advanced than kakashi's, and can be used in various ways, and situations.

And now that Sasuke has MS.

Ameratsu would fuck up Kakashi.

He might be able to resist Tsukuyomi.

Susano'o would demolish him.

We don't know is Sasuke has Susano and Tsukyomi yet, Amatretsu might just be the startng jutsu you get with the MS, also Itachi Susano was only so powerful because he incorporated those 2 special items with it, i don't remember Sasuke having that legendary sealing sword.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

We don't know is Sasuke has Susano and Tsukyomi yet, Amatretsu might just be the startng jutsu you get with the MS.

Itachi even said all three jutsu's were unlocked when he killed the clan, so if Sasuke has one, he has all 3.

[bluewingedD]

It was stated in the lastest chapter

That itachi transfered all his techinques into sasuke's eyes. So if yu say he wasn't going to win before, he sure as hell is now.

And that makes me think, if itachi basicly implanted his techinuques in sasuke, does that mean, he has EMS now? in theory that what it should mean.. Adding more in his favor, seeing as he can do MS techinque, as many times as his chakra will allow, with out worrying about going blind.

[Fujita]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

More elements? All the ones that he copied you mean?

And what did he copy them with?

Ohhhh wait. His Sharingan.

doesn't matter how he got them..he has them and sasuke doesn't thats all that matters.


The thing that Sasuke can use to copy Kakashi's hand seal jutsu, which is pretty much most of his element jutsu.

Kakashi's hand seal speed has increased greatly, might not be so easy for sasuke to copy his hand seals

And Sasuke's chidori is way more advanced than kakashi's, and can be used in various ways, and situations.


Kakashi can use raikiri in both hands pretty much instantly. Sasuke hasn't got a way more advanced chidori, he just manipulates it differently to match his fighting style.

And now that Sasuke has MS.

..So has Kakashi

Ameratsu would fuck up Kakashi.

Kakashi can send it to another dimension..

He might be able to resist Tsukuyomi.

wont fall for that trick again, pretty much said as much when he met the itachi clone in rescue gaara arc. He's not the type of character to talk himself up for no reason.

Susano'o would demolish him.

Kakashi could warp it into another dimension as well.

Sasuke has Kakashi beat in speed..but thats about it. When you consider all the things in kakashi's favour, plus the fact that he's one of the best strategists in the narutoverse, then it's pretty unlikely Sasuke will win.

The only thing that holds kakashi back is his stammina.

[pinkwingedEL]

Although I agree with you, on most of your points. kakashi doesn't have that much control over his MS to use the way that you're implying. At least he doesn't by what we've seen so far. I doubt that he would be able to form a warp hole fast enough to suck in the amaterasu, when even Madara would warping abilities surpass even the 4th, couldn't avoid it in time.

And since kakashi doesn't know sasuke has MS, he would have the same element of surprise that he had against madara, and kakashi would have a way to escape it.

[GiantMidget]

kakashi used his MS to suck away an explosion after the explosion started.... is that not fast enough?

[Rollin 20's]

sasuke has ms now and his sharingan is stronger than kakashis. itd be a tough fight and kakashi knows more jutsu and has alot more experience than sasuke but id have to go with sasuke

[Menato]

I go with sasuke becasue his sharingan is stronger than kakashi's and he has his own ms and plus Itachi's.. and I believe sasuke is a better genjutsu user sasuke has alot more stamina than kakashi.... and plus kakashi cant control his ms that good he has to aim his and I doubt sasuke is just gonna stand there... and sasuke is faster than kakashi so that makes it almost impossibe for him to get sasuke...sasuke can just use amaterasu on him and it'll be over almost instantly (amaterasu impossible to avoid)