Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

kakashi used his MS to suck away an explosion after the explosion started.... is that not fast enough?

Kakashi was preparing for it before the explosion.

Neji was able to percieve the chakra concentrating alerting him to the danger of an explosion way before the others, and since kakashi has sharingan he was able to see the concentration of chakra has well.

Kakashi had more time then you think.

[GiantMidget]

Yes, but as you can see he had his eye covered, he initiated the black hole it after DD exploded.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Yes, but as you can see he had his eye covered, he initiated the black hole it after DD exploded.

Regardless of when he lifted his headband, i'm not talking about his hand speed.

You can see the realization on his face, and he's preparing for what he needs to do.

[GiantMidget]

An he wont be prepared to do it to Sasuke?

[King_Lionheart]

Sasuke owns kakashi on so many levels.

LOL wtf has kakashi done ever since the time skip?? Nothing he just ends up in the hospital after every damn mission. Kakashi got fucking owned by Itachi's ms, Sasuke was able to break out of Itachi's ms. Face it Sasuke's sharingan is stronger, and thats all that matters in their fight. The nin, gen, and tai all can be cancelled/copied by the sharingan so in the end it is a battle of Sharingans and stamina. Which Sasuke has more of then Kakashi. Kakashi has nothing agint Sasuke except MAYBE his ms. But Sasuke also has a ms. Sasuke's got this.

[thefig2010]

Im gunna go with Kakashi........He could Blow Sasuke out of the water.....Sasuke may have a better chidori but kakashi has many other jutsu's that Sasuke dosnt..........and Kakashi might have a better Jutsu then Chidori.......u never know cause u have never seen so.............ya.......plus Kakashi has skill and experience...lol.......sasuke could may kick kakashis butt for a bit but in the endd Kakashi would triumph over Sasuke...

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by King_Lionheart

Sasuke owns kakashi on so many levels.

LOL wtf has kakashi done ever since the time skip?? Nothing he just ends up in the hospital after every damn mission. Kakashi got fucking owned by Itachi's ms, Sasuke was able to break out of Itachi's ms. Face it Sasuke's sharingan is stronger, and thats all that matters in their fight. The nin, gen, and tai all can be cancelled/copied by the sharingan so in the end it is a battle of Sharingans and stamina. Which Sasuke has more of then Kakashi. Kakashi has nothing agint Sasuke except MAYBE his ms. But Sasuke also has a ms. Sasuke's got this.

Kakashi never really fought Itachi post time skip so we don't know if he can or cannot break free from Itachis ms. Also keep in mind Itachi was like half dead and wasn't trying to kill Sasuke this time. Also From what we ave seen Sasuke can only use the amateretsu only if he sees madaras face and in battle he uses his own MS which we don't know what power it contains.

[King_Lionheart]

It was already stated that Itachi gave Sasuke his sharingan powers.

[GiantMidget]

Yes, but from what we have seen he used amateretsu through Itachis MS and that MS has only been shown to activate upon seeing madara, and when he used his own MS we have seen none of Itachis MS teqniques.

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Yes, but from what we have seen he used amateretsu through Itachis MS and that MS has only been shown to activate upon seeing madara, and when he used his own MS we have seen none of Itachis MS teqniques.

agreed, if Sasuke could use Ama or any other Itachi MS techniques especially Tsukiyomi you'd think he'd have used them on the 8 tails by now.

[nozferah2]

Sasuke is inexperienced with his MS right now.
He probably doesnt even know all of it's abilities.

It took Kakashi a long time to start his doujutsu because he had only just used the MS for the first time..

I would give the fight to Sasuke if he still had the Cursed seal w/ the MS.

But Kakashi has already fouhgt against a MS, his Sharingan has learned everything from it to avoid.

and wtf! Since when was Chidori stronger than Raikiri? Whoever said that is on crack. Kakashi CUT through a Kirin like attack with Raikiri before and Kirin is Sasuke's strongest attack.

There is nothing that Sasuke can do to win against Kakashi, Kakashi has the advantage in every area. Speed means nothing to an able Sharingan user. Kakashi is a more experienced Sharingan user

Also, the fuck is a "true sharingan user?" As if Kakashi's is counterfeit..pshh.

[King_Lionheart]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

agreed, if Sasuke could use Ama or any other Itachi MS techniques especially Tsukiyomi you'd think he'd have used them on the 8 tails by now.

?? Wow that makes no sense, The fight just started, why the hell would he use it from the get go? Your saying that because he didn't use these techniques then he doesn't have them, no logic at all.

Originally Posted by nozferah2

Sasuke is inexperienced with his MS right now.
He probably doesnt even know all of it's abilities.

It took Kakashi a long time to start his doujutsu because he had only just used the MS for the first time..

I would give the fight to Sasuke if he still had the Cursed seal w/ the MS.

But Kakashi has already fouhgt against a MS, his Sharingan has learned everything from it to avoid.

and wtf! Since when was Chidori stronger than Raikiri? Whoever said that is on crack. Kakashi CUT through a Kirin like attack with Raikiri before and Kirin is Sasuke's strongest attack.

There is nothing that Sasuke can do to win against Kakashi, Kakashi has the advantage in every area. Speed means nothing to an able Sharingan user. Kakashi is a more experienced Sharingan user

Also, the fuck is a "true sharingan user?" As if Kakashi's is counterfeit..pshh.

Kakashi learned how to fight off the ms from his fight with Itach pre stime skip when he got owned by one of its 3 tecniques right?

Sasuke fought against that same person with the ms can the same be said about Sasuke?

Sasuke's sharingan is so much greater then Kakshi's. Kakashi loses this on so many level, He's fucing garbage now, his last amazing moments were in the pre time skip. Kakashi fail. What has he doe so far? Nothing except rely on his one ms technique to save him from dying. The same ms technique that sends him to the hospital after its use.

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by King_Lionheart

?? Wow that makes no sense, The fight just started, why the hell would he use it from the get go? Your saying that because he didn't use these techniques then he doesn't have them, no logic at all.

Let me ask you another question- what is the easiest technique to not kill someone but capture them- I'm pretty sure Tsukiyomi in Sasuke's supposed arsenal if he is able to use it/has it. I'll accept he may not have used Itachi's MS techniques but why the hell wouldn't you considering he knows how beastly the 8 tails is?

Doesn't Itachi use his MS techniques from the get go, knowing fully how beastly the 8 tails is since he has yet to be captured and how easily he pwned all of team Hebi why wouldn't Sasuke have used it? Also when he was at such close range to the 8 tails after had had been pwned Tsuki or Ameratsu could have been used.

From my point of view he doesn't have it or is unable to use it as yet. Otherwise he is a real idiot for not using them.

Kakashi learned how to fight off the ms from his fight with Itach pre stime skip when he got owned by one of its 3 tecniques right?

Sasuke fought against that same person with the ms can the same be said about Sasuke?

Sasuke's sharingan is so much greater then Kakshi's. Kakashi loses this on so many level, He's fucing garbage now, his last amazing moments were in the pre time skip. Kakashi fail. What has he doe so far? Nothing except rely on his one ms technique to save him from dying. The same ms technique that sends him to the hospital after its use.

Your views on Kakashi are so wrong- he was fighting against 2 s class nins in Hidan and Kakuzu and was putting up an awesome fight. He's kage material and you call him garbage what planet are you on?

Let me see what he has done so far- he pwned Deidara, he fought Kakuzu and Hidan and did one hell of a job fighting them. He has improved with the use of his sharingan by leaps and bounds and has yet to be severely tested after the time skip. He has only been defeated once and that was at the hands of Itachi....

Their powers with the sharingan can't be compared however from memory part of the reason Sasuke escaped Itachi's MS technique was because of the cursed seal something he doesn't possess anymore. I'm not debating the strength of Sasuke's sharingan and Kakashi's sharingan as its been stated that Sasuke's sharingan has more potential than even Itachi but you dismissing Kakashi to the extent that you are is unbelievably ignorant.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

Let me ask you another question- what is the easiest technique to not kill someone but capture them- I'm pretty sure Tsukiyomi in Sasuke's supposed arsenal if he is able to use it/has it. I'll accept he may not have used Itachi's MS techniques but why the hell wouldn't you considering he knows how beastly the 8 tails is?

You can't use that as evidence for Sasuke not having Itachi's techniques.

Sasuke entered that fight without even having his regular sharingan on, until the 8tailed got serious, and he realized he was in deep shit.

Sasuke highly underestimated the 8 tailed, and i'm of the opinion he's going to start taking this fight seriousley.

Let me see what he has done so far- he pwned Deidara,

You mean DD who had wasted all his clay attacking Gaara, and was basically offensively challenged.

Deidra was no where near his best when kakashi fought him, and even then Kakashi didnt pwn him.

He had Naruto, and then all of team Gai to back him up.

he fought Kakuzu and Hidan and did one hell of a job fighting them. He has improved with the use of his sharingan by leaps and bounds and has yet to be severely tested after the time skip. He has only been defeated once and that was at the hands of Itachi....

Leaps and bounds? The only thing we've seen from him is MS, and his stamina level barely even allows for two attacks before he passes out.

I'm not debating the strength of Sasuke's sharingan and Kakashi's sharingan as its been stated that Sasuke's sharingan has more potential than even Itachi

What does that tell you about the difference in their levels of sharingan.

but you dismissing Kakashi to the extent that you are is unbelievably ignorant.

True, but for you to think that Kakashi is able to take on the MS techniques from Itachi passed onto Sasuke, and Sasuke original MS techniques soon to be shown, then i think your dismissing Sasuke to an incredible extent of just highly overestimating Kakashi.

[nozferah2]

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Originally Posted by King_Lionheart

Kakashi learned how to fight off the ms from his fight with Itach pre stime skip when he got owned by one of its 3 tecniques right?

Sasuke fought against that same person with the ms can the same be said about Sasuke?

Sasuke's sharingan is so much greater then Kakshi's. Kakashi loses this on so many level, He's fucing garbage now, his last amazing moments were in the pre time skip. Kakashi fail. What has he doe so far? Nothing except rely on his one ms technique to save him from dying. The same ms technique that sends him to the hospital after its use.

Exactly as NarutoSamaman said, u just comparing Sharingan's to determine the victor.. that was the main body of your post.

No shit Sherlock, Sasuke has two, Kakashi has one.

Sasuke... has been using the cursed seal as a crutch ever since his battle with Naruto.

Dont try to deny that.

Sasuke w/o the Cursed Seal OR/AND Orochimaru's soul has only gained a few jutsu's (that would not help him against Kakashi btw) and the MS which right now, he is too inexperienced with it to use against an overall MORE experienced Ninja, that not only
1. has experience fighting a MS user
but
2. ALSO has a damn MS...
3. Is more experienced using MS

Sasuke is at a serious disadvantage in Jutsu, Kakashi knowing powerful water jutsu, not only that but, has a more powerful Raikiri over Sasuke's Chidori and Kirin.

Sasuke would have to completely rely on his MS.. which just isnt enough seeing as Kakashi has the advantage in Tai & Nin-jutsu's and a MS to boot. WTF are u smoking to think uncursed, un-Orochi souled Sasuke has ANY advantage over Kakashi?

[nejix321]

We should re-do this thread because Sasuke now has MS.

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Leaps and bounds? The only thing we've seen from him is MS, and his stamina level barely even allows for two attacks before he passes out.

Dude do you even remember what Kakashi was like in the beginning of the manga. Read my post I didn't state anywhere he's improved with MS by leaps and bounds but the sharingan . So yes he has improved considerably with the sharingan anyone who disputes this doesn't read Naruto.

What does that tell you about the difference in their levels of sharingan.

Sasuke's sharingan potential is supposed to be better than Itachi but who'd win based on their current strength- Itachi. Kakashi doesn't need a stronger sharingan than Sasuke to beat Sasuke.

True, but for you to think that Kakashi is able to take on the MS techniques from Itachi passed onto Sasuke, and Sasuke original MS techniques soon to be shown, then i think your dismissing Sasuke to an incredible extent of just highly overestimating Kakashi.

We have no proof he has Tsukiyomi, Ameratsu and yet alone Susanno. Also even if he has access we have had no indication that he can just use them without actually training with them so arguing about techniques he supposedly has is stupid.

Obviously Sasuke will surpass Kakashi- that's a dead set given but as yet Kakashi who is kage level should be able to take out Sasuke due to his considerable battle experience, amount of jutsu, his intelligence and the fact that he ain't an arrogant bitch like Sasuke.

[nozferah2]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

Obviously Sasuke will surpass Kakashi- that's a dead set given but as yet Kakashi who is kage level should be able to take out Sasuke due to his considerable battle experience, amount of jutsu, his intelligence and the fact that he ain't an arrogant bitch like Sasuke.

Well said.

Sasuke has no advantage over Kakashi as of now. We'll see during his 8-Tails fight what his MS could bring.

If he has Amaterasu, that attack can be sucked away with Kakashi's 'Space Vacuum' doujutsu..

If he has a Tsukiyomi like move, Kakashi's sharingan already saw it.

Kirin and Katon wont work on Kakashi, lightning blade wont work.

Nothing Sasuke has will work until he masters his MS.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by nozferah2

Well said.

Sasuke has no advantage over Kakashi as of now. We'll see during his 8-Tails fight what his MS could bring.

If he has Amaterasu, that attack can be sucked away with Kakashi's 'Space Vacuum' doujutsu..

If he has a Tsukiyomi like move, Kakashi's sharingan already saw it.

Kirin and Katon wont work on Kakashi, lightning blade wont work.

Nothing Sasuke has will work until he masters his MS.

How would Kirin not work on Kakashi?

[GiantMidget]

Well kakashi cut a lighting bolt before meaning he hast he reaction to avoid or somehow deal with Kirin.