Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[bluewingedD]

Yeah he says it's more difficult for him to use it. He didn't say he couldn't use it at the same level as Sasuke or Itachi, with he has already proven he can... It doesn't matter how he got MS, he still has it. And his MS nullifies Sasuke's (Please let's not go through this thing all over again.) Him copying jutsu, better then any Uchiha that we;ve seen so far, proves that he can use the sharigan at a higher level then all uchiha save for three, and the fact that he has MS, and can use it effectivly, proves that his sharigan abilities are greater then most uchiha, meaning him not being an uchiha, may make it more difficult to use, but it's obviously not a disadvantage.


So the fact that sasuke's an Uchiha using sharigan, and Kakashi, is not an uchiha using sharigan, will not decide this fight.. specially when Kakashi is overall, more skilled then sasuke, on almost every front.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

specially when Kakashi is overall, more skilled then sasuke, on almost every front.

I'm not sure how you can say that.

Sasuke has took Chidori to a level kakashi doesn't even dream of.

We've never seen Kakashi match genjutsu on Itachi's level, yet we have seen Sasuke become able to.

I don't see Kakashi being significantly faster than him, and we've seen that Sasuke has a strategic mind, even in the midst of battle(Against Deidara)

All i would say Kakashi has on him is experience. And that for the most part doesnt mean shit in this manga.

[happybuddha]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

I'm not sure how you can say that.

Sasuke has took Chidori to a level kakashi doesn't even dream of.

We've never seen Kakashi match genjutsu on Itachi's level, yet we have seen Sasuke become able to.

I don't see Kakashi being significantly faster than him, and we've seen that Sasuke has a strategic mind, even in the midst of battle(Against Deidara)

All i would say Kakashi has on him is experience. And that for the most part doesnt mean shit in this manga.

I don't think Kakashi would have F*cked up the eight tails job, like Sasuke did.

Just saying. And I disagree with experience, I think the eight tails thing, him already going blind, in combination with what Kisame said "there just kids". Yeah, Kakashi would have a tough fight, but Sasuke's not unbeatable.

[bluewingedD]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

I'm not sure how you can say that.

Sasuke has took Chidori to a level kakashi doesn't even dream of.

We've never seen Kakashi match genjutsu on Itachi's level, yet we have seen Sasuke become able to.

I don't see Kakashi being significantly faster than him, and we've seen that Sasuke has a strategic mind, even in the midst of battle(Against Deidara)

All i would say Kakashi has on him is experience. And that for the most part doesnt mean shit in this manga.

He didn't take chidori to a level kakashi couldn't dream of because lighting blade is still a higher tank then any of the different forms of Chidori sasuke has, And Again, sasuke had to make different forms of Chidori, for defensive and more effective offensive jutsu, since fire is very limited in this catergory he had to make different various of chidori, while Kakashi has no need to becasue he has, two other elements he can use for long mid range, and defensive jutsu.

I said better on almost every front, speed would fall under the exception. Their are even. Sasuke has not shown me any tactical prowless to indicate that he is at a level with a kae level emeny, yeah he figured out something when he had an elemetal advantage(DD), But he couldn't figure out shit, and he elemetal advantage was pot(Killa Bee). When he didn't have the elemetal advantage what happened? He died twice.

And experience means alot in this Manga, Experiance is what kept chiyo and sakura alive for so long, Expeirnce, is what stopped Killa bee from being captured and gave him the know how to fool sasuke, experience, is what gives you the know how to develope certain plans to fit certain situations, unless your a shikamaru level genius, experience is a huge plus.

[narutoman2]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

He didn't take chidori to a level kakashi couldn't dream of because lighting blade is still a higher tank then any of the different forms of Chidori sasuke has, And Again, sasuke had to make different forms of Chidori, for defensive and more effective offensive jutsu, since fire is very limited in this catergory he had to make different various of chidori, while Kakashi has no need to becasue he has, two other elements he can use for long mid range, and defensive jutsu.

You just prove yourself stupid.
Here lets all take the facts.
1.) Kakashi taught sasuke Chidori (Lightning Blade in english) at age of 11.
2.) Chidori is the strongest move of Kakashi *Other than his MS Ability*.
3.) Sasuke took Chidori on a higher level that not even Kakashi cannot achieve.
4.) Orochimaru stated the fact to Kakashi "Chidori" would not harm him or anything when he and kakashi first saw in earlier of naruto series.
5.) Sasuke Chidori Nagashi which is a lightning that can shape into a sword and extend 5 meters was able to harm Orochimaru which Kakashi Chidori could not even harm Orochimaru.
6.) Sasuke Kirin, is a jutsu that was created to kill Itachi. Even Itachi stated it himself that jutsu is quite very strong. Not even Kakashi would have dodge that since he doesn't have move in 1/1000 seconds. Kakashi doesn't posses Susanoo that instantly appear in 1/1000 seconds.

Finally, saying Lightning Blade is higher than CHidori? Your really dumb. Stop watching DUB cartoon naruto. Lightning Blade is Chidori, they are the same.
They call Chidori = Lightning Blade in DUB Version.

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

I said better on almost every front, speed would fall under the exception. Their are even. Sasuke has not shown me any tactical prowless to indicate that he is at a level with a kae level emeny, yeah he figured out something when he had an elemetal advantage(DD), But he couldn't figure out shit, and he elemetal advantage was pot(Killa Bee). When he didn't have the elemetal advantage what happened? He died twice.

You are just dumb saying "Sasuke has not shown me any tactical".
1.) Kakashi would not even able to dodge a INVISIBLE BOMB C4 Garuda. Sasuke used TACTIC on this one to pwn Deidara.
2.) Madara stated himself that Sasuke sharingan eye was Superior to Itachi sharingan.
3.) Kakashi sharingan was not even Near Itachi sharingan level. You call this even?
4.) Kakashi sharingan cannot see through chakra color, Where sasuke sharingan can see through it.
5.) Kakashi stated himself that he cant fight Itachi ALONE!.

Evidence that even Kakashi stated it himself that even him until now said himself he cant cancel the genjutsu.
Naruto 257 page 07 | One Manga

Itachi said to kakashi once that he need to be a born sharingan clan to evade this tsukoyomi.

Even Kakashi who learned MS also affected by the effect of its. Here it is kakashi stated himself a man like him can't fight Itachi ALONE.
Naruto 257 page 11 | One Manga

Now You can all stop with all these 1000 jutsu of kakashi, speed, eperience.

Madara have experience yet Killerbee was able to escape from them? Madara didn't even notice anything.

Its not only about EXPERIENCE.

What we saw on a fight Itachi vs Sasuke, we even know Itachi have more experience than sasuke, yet sasuke lives.

Its how the AUTHOR wrote the story. So you cant say kakashi will beat Sasuke, the fact it stated there Kakashi cant handle Itachi alone.

Kakashi doesn't even know that Sasuke posses all his MS abilities. Further more kakashi isn't good at genjutsu, if you saw the fight between 30% Itachi vs Kakashi, Kakashi have to use a clone in order not to get affected by his Genjutsu, because he knew that Kakashi cannot escape from Itachi genjutsu world since he stated it himself.

[bluewingedD]

Originally Posted by narutoman2

You just prove yourself stupid.
Here lets all take the facts.
1.) Kakashi taught sasuke Chidori (Lightning Blade in english) at age of 11.
2.) Chidori is the strongest move of Kakashi *Other than his MS Ability*.
3.) Sasuke took Chidori on a higher level that not even Kakashi cannot achieve.
4.) Orochimaru stated the fact to Kakashi "Chidori" would not harm him or anything when he and kakashi first saw in earlier of naruto series.
5.) Sasuke Chidori Nagashi which is a lightning that can shape into a sword and extend 5 meters was able to harm Orochimaru which Kakashi Chidori could not even harm Orochimaru.
6.) Sasuke Kirin, is a jutsu that was created to kill Itachi. Even Itachi stated it himself that jutsu is quite very strong. Not even Kakashi would have dodge that since he doesn't have move in 1/1000 seconds. Kakashi doesn't posses Susanoo that instantly appear in 1/1000 seconds.

Finally, saying Lightning Blade is higher than CHidori? Your really dumb. Stop watching DUB cartoon naruto. Lightning Blade is Chidori, they are the same.
They call Chidori = Lightning Blade in DUB Version.



You are just dumb saying "Sasuke has not shown me any tactical".
1.) Kakashi would not even able to dodge a INVISIBLE BOMB C4 Garuda. Sasuke used TACTIC on this one to pwn Deidara.
2.) Madara stated himself that Sasuke sharingan eye was Superior to Itachi sharingan.
3.) Kakashi sharingan was not even Near Itachi sharingan level. You call this even?
4.) Kakashi sharingan cannot see through chakra color, Where sasuke sharingan can see through it.
5.) Kakashi stated himself that he cant fight Itachi ALONE!.

Evidence that even Kakashi stated it himself that even him until now said himself he cant cancel the genjutsu.
Naruto 257 page 07 | One Manga

Itachi said to kakashi once that he need to be a born sharingan clan to evade this tsukoyomi.

Even Kakashi who learned MS also affected by the effect of its. Here it is kakashi stated himself a man like him can't fight Itachi ALONE.
Naruto 257 page 11 | One Manga

Now You can all stop with all these 1000 jutsu of kakashi, speed, eperience.

Madara have experience yet Killerbee was able to escape from them? Madara didn't even notice anything.

Its not only about EXPERIENCE.

What we saw on a fight Itachi vs Sasuke, we even know Itachi have more experience than sasuke, yet sasuke lives.

Its how the AUTHOR wrote the story. So you cant say kakashi will beat Sasuke, the fact it stated there Kakashi cant handle Itachi alone.

Kakashi doesn't even know that Sasuke posses all his MS abilities. Further more kakashi isn't good at genjutsu, if you saw the fight between 30% Itachi vs Kakashi, Kakashi have to use a clone in order not to get affected by his Genjutsu, because he knew that Kakashi cannot escape from Itachi genjutsu world since he stated it himself.

the only idiot here is... aww forget it.... Kakashi doesn't use Chodori, kakashi uses Lighting Blade, lighting balde is S-rank, while chidori is A rank, along with every other Chidori variant of his. So like I said he didn't take shit to another level. He just gave it a different look.

Karin isn't Chodori, and Kakshi's already cut a lighting bolt in half, and guess what Karin is? that's right a Lighting Boly. an that is also An S-rank, so if their attacks meat they would cancel out.. Becasue again, Lighting blade is S-rank, learn your stuff. I don't watch Naruto, I read it, so you again make yourself look like an idiot... so go sit in a corner and let the big kids play.


Kakashi was Sharigan, so he too would be able to see the bombs, and how did sasuke adviod the bombs when he inhaled them? Oh yeah that's right he shocked himself with a chidori, Kakashi could do the same thing. And he already proved that he can figure out Opponets elements throiugh seals alone in the Kakazu fight. so Again

Madara said that Sasuke's eye has the potential to be better then Itachi's, and then DD said that Kakshi is preforming an Eye technique on the same level as Itachi's, so appearlty his eye is pretty close.

, all sharigan have the ability to give color to chakra. Note sasuke said, the sharigan gives color to chakra, not my sharigan, but the sharigan.

Kakshi can't fight Itachi alone? neither could sasuke...and sasuke only lived becasue that's what Itachi wanted, Itachi was in control of that fight the entire way, he wanted to die, he wanted to get oro out of sasuke, and he wanted to live his techniques with sasuke in order to kill madara in that ambush.. How why he beable to do all of this to sasuke, becausee of experince.. how was Madara able to adovid Itachi's trap? Experience, experience is key.

KB escaped from Sasuke, not Madara. Sasuke was played for the fool.. Notice that Kisame said, sasuke screwed up... Sasuke is the one who was fooled by KB, why? Becasue KB, has more experiene then Sasuke. SO that proves that Experince is a big help, along with the sasori and Chiyo fight, Chiyo way out of her prime was able to hold her own with the help of sakura becasue of experince.


Everything you've said was just completely horrible wrong or misinterrpated, pleas don't every post this degree of horriblness again. Especailly, if your calling me an idiot in the process.... thank you and have a nice day,

[narutoman2]

Your the most dumb.

Kakashi never used Chidori?. Here i will just prove you all how this guy an Idiot.

Go watch Cartoon Network. You can see there Kakashi used Chidori and its called "Lightning Blade".

Now here the Scan. Chidori/Raikiri in english "Lightning Blade/Edge".



There you see the Hand Seal. If your actually watch NARUTO or READ manga. You do know that is the HAND SEAL OF CHIDORI!.

Naruto 113 page 14 | One Manga
Naruto 113 page 15-16 | One Manga

OMG you got owned again with your superiority knowledge that doesnt even exist in naruto series.

READ THIS CAREFULLY. Lightning Edge/Blade/Raikiri = Original name is = CHIDORI!.


Karin? Who the fuck is Karin.

Kirin is not just a ordinary Lightning Bolt. You are dumb. Go read exactly. Its a combination of sasuke chakra and nature element. If it just a lightning bolt, then sasuke would not be able to control a lightning bolt.

Mah Please read it carefully next time.

Kakashi doesn't use Chidori? How does Kakashi teach Sasuke a Chidori if he doesn't know how.
Stop watching FILLERS Episode Read the original manga scans ^_^.

Just like Naruto in hermit mode. Naruto combine his chakra element to nature elements. That how it is.

LOL

[bluewingedD]

Dude I'm trying to be nice to you since your new but your making it very hard...

Anyway, I've already explained to you, I don't watch Naruto, I read it. I don't watch Filler, or Naruto period, I read it. You need to go read the Hand book, you know the thing the Creator of naruto makes to clear some things up for ignorant readers... In there and On mnay other sites, Lightening blade/Raikiri is lable as an S-rank jutsu, while Chidori is labled as an A- ranked jutsu.

Please just go away.

Please, please for the love of God go do something with yourself, becasue that is common knowledge on here.

It doesn't matter if it's an ordinary lighting bolt of not, it doesn't move faster then a Lighting bolt, something kakashi cut, and it's rank is not higher then Raikiri. Please go ask some body on this site anybody. They will tell you Raikiri is S-rank, Chidori is A-rank.

[narutoman2]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

Dude I'm trying to be nice to you since your new but your making it very hard...

Anyway, I've already explained to you, I don't watch Naruto, I read it. I don't watch Filler, or Naruto period, I read it. You need to go read the Hand book, you know the thing the Creator of naruto makes to clear some things up for ignorant readers... In there and On mnay other sites, Lightening blade/Raikiri is lable as an S-rank jutsu, while Chidori is labled as an A- ranked jutsu.

Please just go away.

Please, please for the love of God go do something with yourself, becasue that is common knowledge on here.

It doesn't matter if it's an ordinary lighting bolt of not, it doesn't move faster then a Lighting bolt, something kakashi cut, and it's rank is not higher then Raikiri. Please go ask some body on this site anybody. They will tell you Raikiri is S-rank, Chidori is A-rank.

You are really dumb.

The AUTHOR wrote it himself. THERE IN THE SCANS!. THERE IT WAS WRITTEN.

YOU WANT RAWS? and you want to find a japanese guy to translate it for you?

Lightning Blade is called Chidori.
Please see the "HAND SEAL".
I already showed you the proof of kakashi using Lightning Edge on manga and its Chidori hand seal. There might gai stated it himself that lightning blade/raikiri original name is Chidori.

What kind of that english u dont understand?

Naruto DUB Version
- Lightning Blade.
- Lightning Edge.

Naruto Jap Version.
- Raikiri.

Original Name of the Jutsu
- Chidori.

There you get it? Look in manga and see the hand seal of kakashi and sasuke using what you calling it yourself "Lightning Blade".

and its the same hand seal as Chidori because it is CHIDORI.

Read exactly what Might Gai who's the author of it is none other than the author himself explained it.

They only translate it in different word. but its originally called "Chidori".

You even said you dont watch Naruto. OMG that is SO BS! DUDE.

U just said "LIGHTNING BLADE". Lightning BLADE first existence was on NARUTO DUB SERIES. wtf are you smoking at man? LIGHTNING BLADE wasn't introduce in manga.

OMG this guy is just pure of BS. He doesn't watch naruto, then how did he come up with "Lightning Blade".

[zack_strife]

Yes Kaikiri is S-RANK and Chidori is A-RANK gah everyone knows that As stated before Sasuke uses variations of Chidori but they are not S-Rank therefore he hasn't taken the jutsu further but has changed it slightly to make it defensive as well but it is not more powerful. Sasuke directs Kirin and since it is also S-RANK and doesn't move faster than lighning(cause it is lightning), it can be canceled by Raikiri and as we have heard Kakashi has cut lightning with it before.

[narutoman2]

Originally Posted by zack_strife

Yes Kaikiri is S-RANK and Chidori is A-RANK gah everyone knows that As stated before Sasuke uses variations of Chidori but they are not S-Rank therefore he hasn't taken the jutsu further but has changed it slightly to make it defensive as well but it is not more powerful. Sasuke directs Kirin and since it is also S-RANK and doesn't move faster than lighning(cause it is lightning), it can be canceled by Raikiri and as we have heard Kakashi has cut lightning with it before.

Sasuke called it Chidori.
Kakashi called it Raikiri.

Gai already explained it, Raikiri/Lightning Edge original name is Chidori.

But if you look at them. Kakashi uses same hand seal as Sasuke Chidori. Because its the same.

Maybe kakashi didn't want his technique to be called Chidori anymore and come up with new name.

just like rasengan. naruto came up with new word futon rasengan. it still rasengan tho.

http://www.inukoproject.com/naruto/ninjutsu

there two different names. but its the same jutsu.
I watch on naruto series and dub series all the hand seal of Chidori and Raikiri are the same. They just put it in different name based on character user.

[bluewingedD]

It Has A differnet rank man, as stated by the creator in the Databook. Raikiri, and chodori have different ranks. What you say and think, is over written by what the author has come out and said. Now you're saying the author of this Manga, doesn't know what his talking about with his own creation.

[Kingwood]

Originally Posted by o8livion

sasuke wins. cause stone cold said so

i believe, the storywriters would make sasuke an incredible enemy for kakashi, he would lose, naruto would have to handle the weakened sasuke and sakura has to reanimate kakashi.

otherwise it wouldn't be dramatic enough xD

merry x-mas!

^^noobs...

Anyway

@narutoman- it's common knwoledge, that Raikiri, and chodori, have different ranks... Sasuke even went on to correct DD in his fight... When DD kept calling it Raikiri, sasuke said, "It's called Chidori actaully", as if the author is trying to say that his and kakashi's are two different things.

[narutoman2]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

It Has A differnet rank man, as stated by the creator in the Databook. Raikiri, and chodori have different ranks. What you say and think, is over written by what the author has come out and said. Now you're saying the author of this Manga, doesn't know what his talking about with his own creation.

So your saying.

That all jutsu have the same hand seal?

Kakashi Rakiri Hand Seal = Ox, Hare, Monkey
Sasuke Chidori Hand Seal = Ox, Hare, Monkey

Gai Explanation: Raikiri Original name was called "Chidori".

Of course the original author of the jutsu is stronger? Because he made it right.
So you can say kakashi raikiri is an S-Class cuz he created it and he knows well to use it.

While Sasuke using Chidori is an A-Class cuz he just learn it and it not strong as kakashi chidori.

BUT THEY ARE THE SAME JUTSU with DIFFERENT NAME!.

HOW CAN YOU NOT ACCEPT IT? THEY ARE THE SAME JUTSU WITH DIFFERENT NAME.

His and Kakashi are different, because its student and teacher but they have the same hand seal. You cant have the same hand seal and have it different jutsu.

So u have fire ball jutsu and water jutsu, do u think they have the same hand seal. No they just have different name for each character user.

But Originally Gai said Raikiri original name was Chidori. they just put it different way.

Just like Odama Rasengan and Rasengan

[bluewingedD]

No one said they weren't the same jutsu, kid, we said it was different rank, and when the rank is higher that mean there's more power to it... If you would listen instead of making yourself look like a no nothing jackass maybe you have have gotten that by know... also.

@narutoman- it's common knwoledge, that Raikiri, and chodori, have different ranks... Sasuke even went on to correct DD in his fight... When DD kept calling it Raikiri, sasuke said, "It's called Chidori actaully", as if the author is trying to say that his and kakashi's are two different things.

Thank you Kingwood
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[zack_strife]

Originally Posted by narutoman2

Sasuke called it Chidori.
Kakashi called it Raikiri.

Gai already explained it, Raikiri/Lightning Edge original name is Chidori.

But if you look at them. Kakashi uses same hand seal as Sasuke Chidori. Because its the same.

Maybe kakashi didn't want his technique to be called Chidori anymore and come up with new name.

just like rasengan. naruto came up with new word futon rasengan. it still rasengan tho.

NINJUTSU | NARUTO - AKATSUKI SHRINE [inukoproject.com]

there two different names. but its the same jutsu.
I watch on naruto series and dub series all the hand seal of Chidori and Raikiri are the same. They just put it in different name based on character user.

lmao now Rasengan and Futon Rasengan are the same jutsu. Rasengan is just shape manipulation and futon rasengan is elemental and shape manipulation combined which makes it a different jutsu.

[GiantMidget]

Narutoman rea the dam Datatbooks before you spout your retraded nnsense, seriously its common fucking knowledge, Sasuke merely changed his chidori around by changing the shape, its still the same A class teqnique, kakashi cut a lighting bolt that strikes without warning which is much more superior to the one sasuke used where he has to shooty fire into the sky, wait for the clouds to form
send is chakra into the bolt and guide it down.

narutoman2 =New Endomilik

Get your facts straight or gtfo.

[NeoPalm]

Originally Posted by zack_strife

lmao now Rasengan and Futon Rasengan are the same jutsu. Rasengan is just shape manipulation and futon rasengan is elemental and shape manipulation combined which makes it a different jutsu.

Basically, you just said Shape Manipulation and Elemental Manipulation makes it different jutsu.

But that now how it works for Chidori and Raikiri.
Chidori and Raikiri have the same shape,elemental manipulation.

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To GiantMidget, you keep telling people to read the "damn databook".

Gai clearly explained Raikiri original name was Chidori. Maybe kakashi didn't want it to have the same name for different user. That why the author made it Chidori.

But look at Deidara vs Sasuke. Its clearly also written there "Raikiri". Now dont be spouting some non-sense that its not a Raikiri.

I dont see why you keep saying Raikiri vs Kirin = Kakashi Rakiri is stronger?. Where it was so obvious Raikiri could not even kill Itachi..

You seriously need to read the manga. Because its the author who wrote it.

To make you even better kakashi used Chidori which he called right now Raikiri.
http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/000...0239/18-19.jpg

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To bluewingeD.

You even fail. by saying. "I dont watch Naruto or read manga" the fact "Lightning Blade", did not come from data-book. It was first said in Naruto Dubbed version.

You said once the Chidori vs Raikiri attack meet? they will cancel out. If we look at Kakuzu Raiton vs Kakashi 2x Raikiri. It did not cancel out each other, Kakashi was damaged and his gloves ripped apart, which it doesnt usually happen when kakashi using Raikiri.

Guess what they were both lightning manipulation. If kakashi could not even stop Deidara by himself even kakashi got hit by a bomb. I dont see why sasuke cant win this one.

We just have to wait for the final fight Sasuke vs Hermit Naruto?