Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[cursed uchiha]

for kakashi to the MS his opponent has to be slow and it takes kakashi alot of time to use the MS and if kakashi misses he'll die

[GiantMidget]

Where does it say the opponent has to be slow? with the black hole tearing at your arms, i doubt you really gonna be able to do anything, but it seems DD feels very little pain.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Where does it say the opponent has to be slow? with the black hole tearing at your arms, i doubt you really gonna be able to do anything, but it seems DD feels very little pain.

Okay. Here kakashi clearly states that he is not yet able to control the size, and location of the wormhole opened by his mangekyou sharingan, and even with deidra flying slow as fuck on his bird he missed.

Image sasuke body flickering the way he does while he attempts to use that jutsu.

It would be isntant miss, and kakashi would probably faint.

If your gonna try, and convince me kakashi would beat sasuke, you really shouldnt take that mangekyou sharingan jutsu into account.

[ifeanyi84]

even with that picture, i still dont see how the opponent has to be slow for kakashi to use ms on him. if anything i would think that the only stipulation is for kakashi to be able to follow the person with his eye.

i agree with you though. i think that kakashi would beat sasuke, but it has nothing to do with ms. i think kakashi is a better overall ninja. in addition, he has been a jounin for sasuke's entire life. he has a tremendous advantage in experience. and on top of that, he's smarter than sasuke.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ifeanyi84

even with that picture, i still dont see how the opponent has to be slow for kakashi to use ms on him. if anything i would think that the only stipulation is for kakashi to be able to follow the person with his eye.

i agree with you though. i think that kakashi would beat sasuke, but it has nothing to do with ms. i think kakashi is a better overall ninja. in addition, he has been a jounin for sasuke's entire life. he has a tremendous advantage in experience. and on top of that, he's smarter than sasuke.

At first i completley agreed with u that kakashi would defeat sasuke, since in my opinion experience is one of the most deadliest things you can have.

But i'm witholding my final opinion, until the end of the sasuke itach fight. I mean sasukes brilliance against DD absolutley supprised me. I didnt think he was as smart as he showed.

I want to see what he's made of in this fight.

But as of right now i agree saying kakashi would beat him.

I just don't agree that mangekyou sharingan would be the deciding factor in the battle.

even with that picture, i still dont see how the opponent has to be slow for kakashi to use ms on him. if anything i would think that the only stipulation is for kakashi to be able to follow the person with his eye

All that person would have to do, is move out of the range of the attack. And at the body flicker speed sasuke has acquired, i'd say that would be no feat 4 him, and many others.

[bluewingedD]

^^ Yeah bu the fact us Sasuke won't know what Kakashi is doing. And Kakashi proved that he could use it almost instanly when DD made the explode clone that was able took out most of the forest, kakashi fromed the black hole instantly and it suck in the explosion before it took everyone out. So yes kakashi is capalbe of performing it, almost instantly.


But at the moment i don't think he would need the MS to take saskue like many of you have said already.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

^^ Yeah bu the fact us Sasuke won't know what Kakashi is doing. And Kakashi proved that he could use it almost instanly when DD made the explode clone that was able took out most of the forest, kakashi fromed the black hole instantly and it suck in the explosion before it took everyone out. So yes kakashi is capalbe of performing it, almost instantly.


But at the moment i don't think he would need the MS to take saskue like many of you have said already.

He cannot perform it instantly.

To us it seemed instantly cuz we only noticed it, when the explosion started to retract.

But to DD it lasted a while, and for a little bit he was like ......wtf? yannkno?

I'm sure, anyone with a little bit of speed, and common sense, would easily exit the range of that thing.

And besides didnt kakashi need a shitload of time to gather energy 4 it?

I doubt he would get a timeout in a real battle.

[bluewingedD]

No he did almost instantly when he sucked in DD explosio at the end, becasue he said he was surprised that he he did that fast meaning, with the 2 secounds it took that DD fake to exploded, kakashi activated his MS, and created his black hole type attack, you can deny it all you what, but he is capable, of doing it almost instantly if the sistutation calls for it. And DD was very intelligant and had lots of common sense, but he still fell pray to the attack, and you don't get much faster then flying in the naruto universe with DD was doing at the time when his arm got taken out.

the range of the attack is if h can see the target then it's going bye bye.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

No he did almost instantly when he sucked in DD explosio at the end, becasue he said he was surprised that he he did that fast meaning, with the 2 secounds it took that DD fake to exploded, kakashi activated his MS, and created his black hole type attack, you can deny it all you what, but he is capable, of doing it almost instantly if the sistutation calls for it. And DD was very intelligant and had lots of common sense, but he still fell pray to the attack, and you don't get much faster then flying in the naruto universe with DD was doing at the time when his arm got taken out.

the range of the attack is if h can see the target then it's going bye bye.

What are you talking about.

All he said was that he cant believe he got it off in time.

That doesnt mean he did it instantaneously that just means he did it faster than the last time.

And last time he had to wait, and gather chakra to perform it, that could easily means he rushed that part of the process.

You completley just bullshitted that whole instantaneous part. Unless you can show me where he started, and where he finished, that you cannot make that statement.

[bluewingedD]

The only place where they showed him having to wait to gather chakra was in the anime, in the manga he didn't wait to gather sqaut he just did it. when he did it against DD he didn't wait to garther anything, it took him a total of maybe 1 to 2 seconds, to perform it.

This is where he startes, witch is right before DD explodes,
Naruto Manga Returns

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

The only place where they showed him having to wait to gather chakra was in the anime, in the manga he didn't wait to gather sqaut he just did it.

okay i'll give you that.

But that still doesnt change the fact that kakashi is unable to control the size, and location of the wormhole, making it easy for anyone to escape.

Especially sasuke, since his body flicker technique is fast as hell.

[bluewingedD]

That's true, but I still stand by what i said earlier, that untill i see what Sasuke can do against Itachi, Kakashi won't need the MS to beat sasuke. because i don't believe the Itachi and Sasuke fight is even close to being over with

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by bluewingedD

That's true, but I still stand by what i said earlier, that untill i see what Sasuke can do against Itachi, Kakashi won't need the MS to beat sasuke. because i don't believe the Itachi and Sasuke fight is even close to being over with

Neither do i, and i already posted up earlier that kakashi could beat sasuke without using MS.

My point was that, earlier ppl were OMFG kakashi would like toTALLLLLy pwm sasuke with MS like HELL 2 da yeH!!

^^ THAT^^ usless shit makes no sense to me.

I believe that kakashi's experience, and brilliance would beat sasuke, not because of his MS.

[mangekyosasuke]

well if sasuke is at itachis level i don't think kakashi really stands any chance at all and in my oppinion sasukes already put up more of a fight than kakashi did... kakashi didn't lay a hand on itach sasuke stabed 2 clones

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by mangekyosasuke

well if sasuke is at itachis level i don't think kakashi really stands any chance at all and in my oppinion sasukes already put up more of a fight than kakashi did... kakashi didn't lay a hand on itach sasuke stabed 2 clones

Sasuke stabbed genjutsu cloens even naruto hits those, it doesnt mean anything.

[mangekyosasuke]

yeah but sasuke is fairing off against itachi and so far hes uninjured i guess we'll have to see how the battle pans out to make an accurate cunclusion

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Sasuke stabbed genjutsu cloens even naruto hits those, it doesnt mean anything.

No, actually naruto got pwned by an itachi clone.

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

No, actually naruto got pwned by an itachi clone.

yea but he still rasenganed one of them, im just saying beating Itachis clones inst that hard because he says as if Sasuke can beat Itachi because he took out a few genjutsu clones.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

yea but he still rasenganed one of them, im just saying beating Itachis clones inst that hard because he says as if Sasuke can beat Itachi because he took out a few genjutsu clones.

I'm talking about when itachi said he wanted to talk to naruto in the forest recently.

He got hella pwned by genjutsu.

And i agree that doesnt mean he's at his level.