Kakashi vs Sasuke [spoilers]

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

what are u ppl talkiing about kakashi clearly said naruto ur stronger than me, stop changing what he said, i mean he knows what he can do better than anyone else so if he says naruto is stronger than him ill talk his words over us, ps this is just like how itachi said he couldnt beat jiraiya and all of u started saying that itachi didnt mean to say that and he could, i mean if the own person says they cant it means THEY CANT

Actions speak louder then words, and we can clearly see Naruto is only stronner then kakashi in one aspect, we think jiraiya is stronger then Itachi not for what he said before, but from what we have seen him do.

[slyfox87]

action?? well how about taking out the man who kakashi couldnt beat with one attack, listen kakashi said naruto is stronger than him, he didnt say naruto ur stronger than me in one aspect, so let it go, the thing is kakashi agrees with me cause i am just saying what he said, until proving wrong ill go with kakashi's words

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

action?? well how about taking out the man who kakashi couldnt beat with one attack, listen kakashi said naruto is stronger than him, he didnt say naruto ur stronger than me in one aspect, so let it go, the thing is kakashi agrees with me cause i am just saying what he said, until proving wrong ill go with kakashi's words

Kakuzu was beat by the plot no jutsu, not Naruto as if naruto would have really hit kakuzu if not for Kishi wanting to show off Narutos new attack just like how Kishi suddenly gave Sasuke the new ability to see into his veins and see the microscopic bombs in his veins(byakugans ability), and also kakuzu still wasn't dead after that kakashi had to finish the last heart, kakashi took out more hearts then naruto while protecting a bunch of useless ninjas.
Kakashi is still more powerful the naruto in every aspect besides that one jutsu and chakra amount.
kakashi trumps naruto in taijutsu, intellect, experience, speed th list goes on and don't forget he still has gates and MS.
kakashi merely said that because naruto created a technique he couldn't, if your just gonna go"oh hes weaker because he said so who cares if all his feats are greater and is a an overall better ninja" then gtfo of the battle arena.

[slyfox87]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Kakuzu was beat by the plot no jutsu, not Naruto as if naruto would have really hit kakuzu if not for Kishi wanting to show off Narutos new attack just like how Kishi suddenly gave Sasuke the new ability to see into his veins and see the microscopic bombs in his veins(byakugans ability), and also kakuzu still wasn't dead after that kakashi had to finish the last heart, kakashi took out more hearts then naruto while protecting a bunch of useless ninjas.
Kakashi is still more powerful the naruto in every aspect besides that one jutsu and chakra amount.
kakashi trumps naruto in taijutsu, intellect, experience and don't forget he still has gates and MS.

that sound stupid cause everything goes under plot no justu, including naruto being stronger than kakashi, i mean we all knew it would happen, the story is called naruto plot no justu or not he is stronger end of story

[GiantMidget]

Plot no jutsu is when something that isn't suppose to happen happens because of the plot like how the main character cannot die and such, thats why you noobs should lurk before you start posting to learn what the terms mean or else you wouldn't be saying everything goes under plot no jutsu.

[slyfox87]

what are u talking about, every thing that happens is part of the plot dumb ass, there is no such thing as something happen by accident, kishi is the creator everything that happens is part of the plot, the whole thing is plot no justu, dont be stupid

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

what are u talking about, every thing that happens is part of the plot dumb ass, there is no such thing as something happen by accident, kishi is the creator everything that happens is part of the plot, the whole thing is plot no justu, dont be stupid

I know everything is part of the plot, but thats not what plot no jutsu means.

[slyfox87]

if u know everything is part of the plot than everything that happens is suppose to happen i dont know why u are still arguing, its just a stupid term that u ppl came up with that doesnt make sense

[GiantMidget]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

if u know everything is part of the plot than everything that happens is suppose to happen i dont know why u are still arguing, its just a stupid term that u ppl came up with that doesnt make sense

How does it not make sense?
i gave you plenty of examples.

Sasuke was affected by DD's C4, Sasuke is 1 of the 2 main characters, so therefore he cannot die, so Kishi gave him the ability to see through his skin and into his veins an ability that the sharingan has never been shown to have, an ability only the byakugan has been shown to have so that Sasuke will not die, that is what we call plot no jutsu.

Naruto would not have hit kakuzu with the RS if not for the plot no jutsu because kakuzu had like 100 years of experienced in battle and had like 50 tentacles flailng in every direction and he still fell for Narutos stupid distraction that he clearly shouldn't have fallen for because all he did was distract him with 1 clone and attack from behind, even opponents he fought pre time skip didnt fall for that yet kakuzu did, why? because Kishi wanted naruto to show off his new technique or else the fans will be disappointed.

Another example would be from DBZ, their clothes do not get blown off even though they get hit by planet vaporizing blast.

[slyfox87]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

How does it not make sense?
i gave you plenty of examples.

Sasuke was affected by DD's C4, Sasuke is 1 of the 2 main characters, so therefore he cannot die, so Kishi gave him the ability to see through his skin and into his veins an ability that the sharingan has never been shown to have, an ability only the byakugan has been shown to have so that Sasuke will not die, that is what we call plot no jutsu.

Naruto would not have hit kakuzu with the RS if not for the plot no jutsu because kakuzu had like 100 years of experienced in battle and had like 50 tentacles flailng in every direction and he still fell for Narutos stupid distraction that he clearly shouldn't have fallen for because all he did was distract him with 1 clone and attack from behind, even opponents he fought pre time skip didnt fall for that yet kakuzu did, why? because Kishi wanted naruto to show off his new technique or else the fans will be disappointed.

Another example would be from DBZ, their clothes do not get blown off even though they get hit by planet vaporizing blast.

this isnt real life, what ever the author says happens, happens no point in agruing it shouldnt have happen, if u grow up and create an anime u can do what ever u want with it

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

what are u ppl talkiing about kakashi clearly said naruto ur stronger than me, stop changing what he said, i mean he knows what he can do better than anyone else so if he says naruto is stronger than him ill talk his words over us, ps this is just like how itachi said he couldnt beat jiraiya and all of u started saying that itachi didnt mean to say that and he could, i mean if the own person says they cant it means THEY CANT

Kakashi meant that naruto surapssed him by compeleting something he was unable to do. Simply that. By learning rasenshuriken, naruto hasnt become, faster, or smarter.

He simply exceeded him in one category when their are a 1000 other things that make a ninja excellent.

And since you seem so keen on following the plot then i'll hit you with some facts directly from the plot.

Here naruto and sakura state that they cant keep up with his seal speed, his taijutsu is better than lee's, his sense of smell is better than kibas, and he's got a sharingan that tracks all visible movement.

Has naruto surpassed kakashi in any of those elements? Do you think naruto has a better nose than kiba? Or better taijutsu than rock lee? No he hasnt.

Originally Posted by slyfox87

this isnt real life, what ever the author says happens, happens no point in agruing it shouldnt have happen, if u grow up and create an anime u can do what ever u want with it

And the author can change his mind just like everyone else can. Every theory, or prediction you make could be correct or incoreect, based on what kishimoto deems fit for the novel.

You should know that everyone is expendable.

Hell look at deathnote.

Yagami Light was the main character and he still died. Just because the show is named after you, or your the main protagonist doesnt mean your immortal.

[slyfox87]

ok so when the author makes one of his characters say someone else is stronger than him why is that plot no justu, it is what it is, let it go and stop making it something its not, here u are going in to details about what kakashi meant and kakashi didnt say any of that, ur not kishi so as it stands naruto is stronger cause kakashi said so himself

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

ok so when the author makes one of his characters say someone else is stronger than him why is that plot no justu, it is what it is, let it go and stop making it something its not, here u are going in to details about what kakashi meant and kakashi didnt say any of that, ur not kishi so as it stands naruto is stronger cause kakashi said so himself

Lol. You got no idea what your talking about. Listen i'm an english major, but this is no exscuse for you cuz im gonna break this down to you from what i learned in high school.

When an author writes, his characters don't have his voice. Meaning that each character is different because kishi gives them their own beliefs, and attitudes.

If kishi made someone on naruto a racist, does that mean kishi is racist. No thats simply the character, the characters beliefs dont back kishi's.

I mean how many times as naruto said he'll bring sasuke back, but that shit hasnt happened yet. Stopping taking everything in as pure fact, and open your eyes man.

[slyfox87]

dude what the hell are u talking about, if kishi made someone a racist of cause he is not a racist the character is, just like if kishi made a character admit another character is stronger than him, MEANS THE CHARACTER IS STRONGER THAN HIM, jesus its written in black and white for u to see, being a english major and all surely u can comprehend it, kakashi said so himself, kakashi is given his own voice as u put it and in his own voice those are his words i dont know why ur agruing, i get it u like kakashi, i do too but he said it himself so let it goo, sure u can say u dont understand why kakashi said that, which i am sure u will find out soon enough, but u cant change he said it.....period

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by slyfox87

dude what the hell are u talking about, if kishi made someone a racist of cause he is not a racist the character is, just like if kishi made a character admit another character is stronger than him, MEANS THE CHARACTER IS STRONGER THAN HIM, jesus its written in black and white for u to see, being a english major and all surely u can comprehend it, kakashi said so himself, kakashi is given his own voice as u put it and in his own voice those are his words i dont know why ur agruing, i get it u like kakashi, i do too but he said it himself so let it goo, sure u can say u dont understand why kakashi said that, which i am sure u will find out soon enough, but u cant change he said it.....period

Lol i'm not a kakashi fan, i'm just a fan of common sense, maybe i should introduce you to the concept.

And ok i'll use your logic, since you seem to like to take in misinformation.

Here Jiraiya and tsunade agree that kakashi is fully capable of becoming hokage as of that moment. If she were to die, he would be a candidate understand?

THEN they go on to say that naruto is a longwayz off from being able to become Hokage.

Why do you think that is? Go ahead give me your anwser as to the difference between Kakashi and Naruto, and Why naruto isnt able to become hokage right now and kakashi is.

[GiantMidget]

Exactly and the only requirement to be Hokage is to be strong nothing else, yet kakashi was said to be fit for that position yet naruto is, i wonder why?

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by GiantMidget

Exactly and the only requirement to be Hokage is to be strong nothing else, yet kakashi was said to be fit for that position yet naruto is, i wonder why?

Exactly.

If slyfox is such of fan of the characters being exactly right in their statments then lets hear him explain this.

[slyfox87]

naruto isnt emotional ready for that job,

[bluewingedD]

Kakashi said that naruto was stronger then him. So what?!! That means nothing,strength, is not going to win you battle in the world of naruto. Let's look at the jairya, pain fight for instance, jairya was clearly "stronger" then pain, but pain still won.

Another example, 4 tails naruto is clearly, stronger then Yamato, but Yamato, put's it on it's ass, every time it shows it's face. Strength is almost nothing in the worldof naruto with out something to complaintent it.

As Kakashi said naruto is stronger then him. Naruto's stronger then Damn near every body, with that RS. But Kakashi never said, that Naruto could beat him in a fight, witch at the moment it's odivous that he can't.

[slyfox87]

this isnt world strongest man, if some one is stronger thats mean in every aspect, clearly jman wasnt stronger than pain he lost