Oro vs 4T Naruto

[Emperical]

The basic rules for this fight are
-Naruto does not get hurt from kyuubi chakra
-Oro cannot use up his host
-No one can run away, this is a fight to the death
-Everyone has limitless chakra (to give Oro a better chance a winning because he dosn't have as much chakra as 4T Naruto)
-No sealing techniques can be used on Naruto
-No one else may get involved in the fight, its just them
-This battle takes place in an open area that has no traps and is unknown by both of them
-No one can get tired from fighting too long
-No summoning techniques allowed (snake arms are still allowed, just no giant summons)

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Emperical

The basic rules for this fight are
-Naruto does not get hurt from kyuubi chakra
-Oro cannot use up his host
-No one can run away, this is a fight to the death
-Everyone has limitless chakra (to give Oro a better chance a winning because he dosn't have as much chakra as 4T Naruto)
-No sealing techniques can be used on Naruto
-No one else may get involved in the fight, its just them
-This battle takes place in an open area that has no traps and is unknown by both of them
-No one can get tired from fighting too long
-No summoning techniques allowed (snake arms are still allowed, just no giant summons)

wow thats just to many rules its not really oro and naruto fighting anymore because u limit them to much

but i give this one to oro, ive said this to many times even when oro was in a shit body he was still only toying with naruto, i know 4tails is strong but if a sick oro doesnt even feel threatened by naruto then a healthy oro who is actually trying wins this fight

[Emperical]

I put in so many rules to eliminate thread ruining arguments and advent fanboyism.
I'm giving this to Naruto, Oro was toying with him at first but in the end he wasn't toying around anymore (he threw up his ultimate defense and even stated that the situation was getting dangerous and if he took a hit from one of those condensed chakra balls even he would die.)
p.s. the only things Ive limited is Oro summoning his giant snake.
the rest is giving them both advantages.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Emperical

I put in so many rules to eliminate thread ruining arguments and advent fanboyism.
I'm giving this to Naruto, Oro was toying with him at first but in the end he wasn't toying around anymore (he threw up his ultimate defense and even stated that the situation was getting dangerous and if he took a hit from one of those condensed chakra balls even he would die.)
p.s. the only things Ive limited is Oro summoning his giant snake.
the rest is giving them both advantages.

the last page when oro is leaving he says "play times over"

also all these rules limit what we can debate about because its no longer allowing their actual strengths and weaknesses into the picture

i would say just make it a perfectly healthy oro vs 4tails naruto but this is your thread so i wont complain

and we dont know if those gates were his ultimant defense, he just said if he took that chakra directly it would be bad, but he still came out of that unhurt

all i know is that oro was just toying with him, he never took the fight seriously and he never even viewed naruto as a threat, he actually wanted to keep him alive because he wanted him to take out more AK members

[Rollin 20's]

well in their previous fight naruto destroyed all of oro's walls in 1 hit and would have killed him it wasnt for the walls but like blackghost said he wasnt healthy and in a shitty host but id still have to give it to 4t naruto with the rules you gave lol

[Goraishi]

Dunno if this can be done yet. We haven't seen all that 4T is capable of. Naruto goes 1 tail and starts busting out 500000 new abilities and tactics with just that one tail.

Using current ability standing though, I'd say this battle might never end due to Oro keeping it at long range and infinite healing ( through infinite chakra and 4TN not taking the paddle seriously ) and the 4TN not really taking the battle seriously due to not considering Oro as much of a threat.

[Bonkai Renji]

This fight i would have to say would go to naruto because like what Oro did say that the fight lasted any longer what good will it do him if he had almost no jutsu that would keep the crazed naruto at bay.

[GAARA721]

I Think Oro Would Win This One. But U Put To Many Rules In This Fight. But If A Sick Oro Doesnt Feel Threatened By His 4 Tails Then A Healthy One That's Trying To Win This One Is Going To Win.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Bonkai Renji

This fight i would have to say would go to naruto because like what Oro did say that fi the fight lasted any longer he would be killed. Plus even if Oro did have a great deal of chakra would good will it do him if he had almost no jutsu that would keep the crazed naruto at bay.

im pretty sure he only says that in the anime

Originally Posted by Goraishi

Dunno if this can be done yet. We haven't seen all that 4T is capable of. Naruto goes 1 tail and starts busting out 500000 new abilities and tactics with just that one tail.

Using current ability standing though, I'd say this battle might never end due to Oro keeping it at long range and infinite healing ( through infinite chakra and 4TN not taking the paddle seriously ) and the 4TN not really taking the battle seriously due to not considering Oro as much of a threat.

the difference between 4tailed naruto and 1tailed naruto is that 1tail has a concious and 4tails is just destructive intent

while 4tails is much more powerful he cant control that power, DD even said that bijuu become alot weaker without a mind to control their power, same can be said about 4tails naruto, so ure not going to see any new techniques from 4tails because its not smart enough

and 4tails was taking the battle seriously
all it is, is destructive intent, no concious it just wants to destroy everything, and oro was its main target, how can u even say that it was holding back

[Emperical]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

im pretty sure he only says that in the anime



the difference between 4tailed naruto and 1tailed naruto is that 1tail has a concious and 4tails is just destructive intent

while 4tails is much more powerful he cant control that power, DD even said that bijuu become alot weaker without a mind to control their power, same can be said about 4tails naruto, so ure not going to see any new techniques from 4tails because its not smart enough

and 4tails was taking the battle seriously
all it is, is destructive intent, no concious it just wants to destroy everything, and oro was its main target, how can u even say that it was holding back

I think you almost nailed it on the head.
Naruto has no conscious thoughts, it literally is a mindless state where Kyuubi and Naruto have no control and all that comes through is destructive intent.
HOWEVER I would consider him more like a rabid animal as 4t, it lashes out at anything near, but theres a big difference between lashing out and threatening its life.
Oro definitely did absolutely nothing that could harm Naruto in 4t so Naruto in 4t isn't going to exert much effort into lashing out, a perfect example that supports this is when Sakura came near Naruto he did not tear her in half or use any chakra attacks, he simply hit her with his tail.
Between this and the fact that Naruto was matching the effort of Oro suggests that he matches his effort to that of the opponent, but will not exceed unless the opponent exerts more effort than him.

Normally I'd say thats a coincidence, but twice suggests a pattern of normality. If this battle were to happen again under the terms I gave, Naruto has no time restrictions and neither does Oro, so it would escalate over an extended period of time until one of them hit their pinnacle of their power and the other would just exceed them.
Because of that, Oro does not have more raw power than Naruto that fact is supported by Naruto's Condensed Chakra attack, which by far exceeds any type of attack Oro has ever shown.

I know in the Anime Kakashi also says that with the Kyuubi chakra he has about 100 times more chakra than he does. I'm not sure if the magna also states that but if it does this means that Naruto has Chakra reserves so vast that I doubt anyone in the Narutoverse can compare. Another fact that suggests this is the fact that Naruto can create up to 2000 shadow clones and still have enough chakra to fight using any of his techniques (not sure about futon. I haven't seen him try with that many clones out)

If I left anything at all out add onto it, or point out where I'm wrong. I'm definitely not a Naruto expert so if I have holes in my thesis please point them out.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Emperical

I think you almost nailed it on the head.
Naruto has no conscious thoughts, it literally is a mindless state where Kyuubi and Naruto have no control and all that comes through is destructive intent.
HOWEVER I would consider him more like a rabid animal as 4t, it lashes out at anything near, but theres a big difference between lashing out and threatening its life.
Oro definitely did absolutely nothing that could harm Naruto in 4t so Naruto in 4t isn't going to exert much effort into lashing out, a perfect example that supports this is when Sakura came near Naruto he did not tear her in half or use any chakra attacks, he simply hit her with his tail.
Between this and the fact that Naruto was matching the effort of Oro suggests that he matches his effort to that of the opponent, but will not exceed unless the opponent exerts more effort than him.

Normally I'd say thats a coincidence, but twice suggests a pattern of normality. If this battle were to happen again under the terms I gave, Naruto has no time restrictions and neither does Oro, so it would escalate over an extended period of time until one of them hit their pinnacle of their power and the other would just exceed them.
Because of that, Oro does not have more raw power than Naruto that fact is supported by Naruto's Condensed Chakra attack, which by far exceeds any type of attack Oro has ever shown.

I know in the Anime Kakashi also says that with the Kyuubi chakra he has about 100 times more chakra than he does. I'm not sure if the magna also states that but if it does this means that Naruto has Chakra reserves so vast that I doubt anyone in the Narutoverse can compare. Another fact that suggests this is the fact that Naruto can create up to 2000 shadow clones and still have enough chakra to fight using any of his techniques (not sure about futon. I haven't seen him try with that many clones out)

If I left anything at all out add onto it, or point out where I'm wrong. I'm definitely not a Naruto expert so if I have holes in my thesis please point them out.

kisame probably has as much chakra as naruto, and in the manga it says that if the kyuubi chakra isnt supressed naruto has 100 times kakashi's chakra, but kakashi also doesnt have a large chakra reserve

also 4tails didnt destroy sakura because yamato stopped him, he isnt concious so he isnt matching others power, he doesnt toy with his opponents like oro

and since chakra isnt a factor in this fight at all oro's intellegence and jutsu prowess will allow him to beat naruto

[5thKazekage]

Well I Think Oro Would Win This One! The Reason I Say This Is Because Oro Was Throwin Him Around Everywhere When He Was Sick But It Wasnt Doing Damage But Oro Was Woopin His Ass While He Was Sick! So I Think Oro Would Win Because If A Sick Oro Doesnt Feel Threatened Then A Healthy Who Is Trying To Win Is Going To Win!

[Misa-greymon]

ill give this to 4t, 1st because when oro was toying with narux, he wasnt even moving, and if narux moved it would probly be hell, and alsoif narux doesnt get hurt from chakra, he just probly wouldnt get hurt, especially if oros sword cant hurt him, so i go with narux

[Blackghost164]

^ ill say this again, the 4tails is just destructive intent it isnt holding back against oro, u have to have a concious to hold back

[Goraishi]

Doesn't it take a conscious mind to determine what can be just tail-smacked and what can't be just tail-smacked in regards to dealing with others?

[Blackghost164]

^ what?

u should clarify ure post is very confusing

[Yedi]

Clear win for Naruto. It would be impossible for Orichimaru to hurt Naruto. I draw this conclusion since Orichimarus sword "The kusenagi" didn't even scratch the 4th tail, so in other words what could damage him?

[Blackghost164]

^ genjutsu, sealing technique's, powerful ninjutsu

im sure oro had those techniques up his sleeve he just chose not to use them

[Emperical]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

^ genjutsu, sealing technique's, powerful ninjutsu

im sure oro had those techniques up his sleeve he just chose not to use them

Whats that based on?
I mean most of the posts here are based upon reasoning of events seen.

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

kisame probably has as much chakra as naruto, and in the manga it says that if the kyuubi chakra isnt supressed naruto has 100 times kakashi's chakra, but kakashi also doesnt have a large chakra reserve

also 4tails didnt destroy sakura because yamato stopped him, he isnt concious so he isnt matching others power, he doesnt toy with his opponents like oro

and since chakra isnt a factor in this fight at all oro's intellegence and jutsu prowess will allow him to beat naruto

I reasoned my argument with psychology and events, I'd like to see you match my effort and explain more otherwise your argument isn't going to hold much water.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Emperical

Whats that based on?
I mean most of the posts here are based upon reasoning of events seen.

this is based on the fact that we know the kyuubi's weakness is being sealed, kakashi did it, yamato did it and naruto is severely weakend after that happens

second i say genjutsu since it messes up the chakra flow and attacks the mind, normally thats what works on something thats strong and dumb

finally a strong enough ninjutsu would be able to hurt naruto, its the same with all his other tails if something with stronger chakra then his cloak hits him then it will still break through his defenses

Originally Posted by Emperical

I reasoned my argument with psychology and events, I'd like to see you match my effort and explain more otherwise your argument isn't going to hold much water.

i really have no idea what ure talking about so ill go back to ure original argument

Originally Posted by Emperical

I think you almost nailed it on the head.
Naruto has no conscious thoughts, it literally is a mindless state where Kyuubi and Naruto have no control and all that comes through is destructive intent.

k i agree with u here

Originally Posted by Emperical

HOWEVER I would consider him more like a rabid animal as 4t, it lashes out at anything near, but theres a big difference between lashing out and threatening its life.

i dont understand, destructive intent means it wants to destroy anything that gets in its way, its not holding back instead it is going at whatever is infront of it with full power and trying to tear it apart

Originally Posted by Emperical

Oro definitely did absolutely nothing that could harm Naruto in 4t so Naruto in 4t isn't going to exert much effort into lashing out, a perfect example that supports this is when Sakura came near Naruto he did not tear her in half or use any chakra attacks, he simply hit her with his tail.
Between this and the fact that Naruto was matching the effort of Oro suggests that he matches his effort to that of the opponent, but will not exceed unless the opponent exerts more effort than him.

that makes no sense, u have to be concious to supress ure power or match someone elses effort, we've both agreed he isnt concious

also he would have gone at sakura with all he had if yamato hadnt have stopped him

Naruto 296 page 08 | One Manga
he is turning to hit her

Naruto 296 page 10 | One Manga
he's turned towards her but sealed by wood

he wasnt holding back

Naruto 296 page 09 | One Manga
oro on the other hand was holding back hence y he says "play times over and then laughs"

Originally Posted by Emperical

Normally I'd say thats a coincidence, but twice suggests a pattern of normality. If this battle were to happen again under the terms I gave, Naruto has no time restrictions and neither does Oro, so it would escalate over an extended period of time until one of them hit their pinnacle of their power and the other would just exceed them.
Because of that, Oro does not have more raw power than Naruto that fact is supported by Naruto's Condensed Chakra attack, which by far exceeds any type of attack Oro has ever shown.

naruto only has more raw power and maybe more chakra (thats unproven), but raw power isnt everything, like i said before he can be sealed, he can be trapped, physically or in genjutsu, and he can still be hurt by high level ninjutsu

have u forgotten that oro was hailed as a genius, he is a master of jutsu like his teacher the 3rd and he is a monster

this is naruto, and raw power isnt everything, look at shikamaru and how he wins against stronger opponents using just battle tactic, oro is very capible of out manuvering and out playing a dumb brute, especially with no time limit

Originally Posted by Emperical

I know in the Anime Kakashi also says that with the Kyuubi chakra he has about 100 times more chakra than he does. I'm not sure if the magna also states that but if it does this means that Naruto has Chakra reserves so vast that I doubt anyone in the Narutoverse can compare. Another fact that suggests this is the fact that Naruto can create up to 2000 shadow clones and still have enough chakra to fight using any of his techniques (not sure about futon. I haven't seen him try with that many clones out)

If I left anything at all out add onto it, or point out where I'm wrong. I'm definitely not a Naruto expert so if I have holes in my thesis please point them out.

he trained heavily with 200 clones, also being a 100 times more powerful then kakashi when the kyuubi isnt supressed is impressive but kakashi doesnt have a very large chakra reserve

im not saying naruto isnt a chakra beast but that really means nothing especially against a genius like oro, sasuke had a lot less chakra then naruto and he still won, plus u put no time limit so chakra also means absolutely nothing in this battle