Uchiha Itachi vs Jiraiya

[anwar]

who will win?both of them are very talented shinobi.one is the sharingan master,be the commander of ANBU while 13 yrs old and Jiraiya is a frog owner,one of the legendary Sannin,same as Orochimaru.whats your opinion about this?

[Apoo]

Jyraiya..By words of Itachi himself..He and Kisame at best could only acomplish to kill jyraiya while dieing themselves.

[Headface]

Jiraiya would own him, for the above reason. Just because he doesn't follow the cliche badass anime character doesn't mean he can't fight.

[freakzilla]

Originally Posted by Tony

Jyraiya..By words of Itachi himself..He and Kisame at best could only acomplish to kill jyraiya while dieing themselves.

that quote is so biased...

[Octogon]

Originally Posted by freakzilla

that quote is so biased...

If Tony made it up, then yes. but Itachi clearly said so.

And I also have my doubts that Itachi can take on Oro. Remember Oro Measures one's strengh by their ability to master all the jutsu's in the world. And Itachi clearly has this ability, because of his eyes.

[freakzilla]

Yet Oro never hesitated to take on Sarutobi who knows all the jutsus in Konoha? Not to mention he just taunted Kakashi who also has the sharingan like Itachi...
Not only was that quote about Jiraiya translated different in nearly every version,
Itachi had nothing to base JIraiya's strength on but his reputation.
And don't forget Itachi's mangekyou uses up a lot of chakra, so after his fight with Kakashi was a bad time to meat up with Jiraiya.
On top of that he used mangekyou a second time which is an attack he needs about a third of his chakra to perform, and he still managed to escape from Jiraiya's jutsu which Jiraiya never imagined possible.

You can't base anything of Jiraiya's attitude since Jiraiya is just like Naruto and isn't afraid to take on his opponent even if he is stronger (see Jiraiya-Oro). Yet Kisame implied Itachi could've taken Jiraiya, to which Itachi replied he had to rest first after using his mangekyou too much.

Fact is Itachi is full of plot holes and thus still remains a mystery. Like how his strength made Oro leave the organisation while Itachi's age doesn't even allow him to be in Akatsuki at that time. Or the differences in Itachi's sayings before and after his face-off with Jiraiya.

I've pointed out a lot more problems towards this quote before, and the only reason (because honestly i don't know myself who'd win this one) i'm replying to this topic is because that one single quote gets abused to much while about 6 or 7 things point in another direction.

[Octogon]

That quote does have some signifigance, if you think about it.

Itachi did have something to base Jirayas strengh off of, and that was Oro. Oro said Itachi was stronger than him. Meaning he has an idea of Itachis power and vic-versa. And if Itachi based all of what he said about jiraya on reputaion, then he would be more confident. Seeing as how he has seen oro. And problaey seen his power as well. and since they are both sannin, why would he think Jiraya was in another league than Oro?

I know it's not A>B>C ut there is a limit.

And I still go with that Oro measured Itachis strengh by his potiental to learn all the jutsus in the world. He even said saskue has a higher otiental than him. Why? Most likley because of the sharingan. but saskue hasn't reached the point where he can surpass Oro.

And Itachi is from Konoha. It's not too far-fetched that he has seen the other sannin in acton before.

[Rεı]

Originally Posted by Tony

Jyraiya..By words of Itachi himself..He and Kisame at best could only acomplish to kill jyraiya while dieing themselves.

uhu that's 100% true and i'll also stick with that

[Apoo]

Why is it biased Freakzilla? Becasue you said so?

If you're talking about Oro saying he fears Itachi..then we can have our disagrements to the certanty of that quote, However , Itachi said that not only himself, but Kisame aswell, could manage to beat Jyriaya and die themselves at best..It was VERY clear, so it's not left to interpretation..it was more than clear..and direct.

[Ltd.]

Joining freakzilla on this one Itachi also didn't want to fight because other ninja's would interfere we al saw gai on the stage so if they where still fighting in that building itachi and kisame would have gotten allot more of trouble and also I think they meant it in a whole situation they wouldn get killed by Jiraiya but because if they would fight him it would consume too much time and let other ninja's join the battle that is just my 2 cents.

[Apoo]

You can't argue a direct quote.
It was in no way aimed for interpretation, it was as clear and direct as it gets.

"At best, we could have only hoped but to kill that man, sacrifising both of ourselfs."

Meaning that Kisame and Itachi together at best could kill Jyraiya by sacrifising themselves.

You guys are underestimating jyraiya way too much..who ran like little bitches, when they had him outnumbered 2-1?

Edit: chekd some other version of the same chapter..Not all are alike, but they are very similar..they all hint at "we ran away becasue we were scared"

Even if Itachi was weakened by the Mangaekyo, he still had a 100% very strong Kisame (we nkow he is quite strong, a 30% of his powers was prety damm strong to take on 2 strong chunnins, a jounin, and an elite jounin pushed nearly to the max..only 30% of his powers)

Kisame..plus w/e was left of Itachi, he was not in a terrible condition, where he couden't fight..it was an akatsuki 1/2 if you want to call it that..Jyraiya was stil outmached, and outnumbered. Yet they ran, and pass a very good oportunity to capture a jinchuriki easily..while we've seen Other akatsuki (deidara) risk their lifes to capture jinchuriki.

[Ltd.]

^first of all Itachi was tired Kisame had also already done battle using a pretty big jutsu now they ran because of what I just said Gai was already on the scene maybe more ninja's would follow. And just as freakzilla said there are a whole lot of different translation unless YOU yourself can read speak Japanese you word is just as unimportant as the mine.

[tonykid]

Uchiha Itachi will totally win

[Ltd.]

^bs

@ Tony just to show you the difference in translation

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2318

[Apoo]

Originally Posted by Ltd.

^bs

@ Tony just to show you the difference in translation

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...o&PhotoID=2318

You found the crappiests, less legitiment, and less reputable translation you could find form Naruto-Manga-Returns.....


and even that says..."that man might be a challange for the strongest of the leaf, and one of the top 7 of the mist"..If he can take on 2 akatsuki by himeslef..He can surely take on one.

[Ltd.]

MIGHT is a big word in the nartuo universe. And please a manga scan is a manga scan no difference and I already told you there is difference in each Translation.

[Apoo]

Originally Posted by Ltd.

^first of all Itachi was tired Kisame had also already done battle using a pretty big jutsu now they ran because of what I just said Gai was already on the scene maybe more ninja's would follow. And just as freakzilla said there are a whole lot of different translation unless YOU yourself can read speak Japanese you word is just as unimportant as the mine.

BS..Kisame used nothing..just a little splash jutsu, nothing that could drain a Chakra beast like Kisame.
Gai? wtf is Gai? A 30% kisame took on Gai (with 6 gates), Lee, Neji, and Ten-ten.

Originally Posted by Ltd.

MIGHT is a big word in the nartuo universe. And please a manga scan is a manga scan no difference and I already told you there is difference in each Translation.

Please find me another translation then? All hte other reputable translations Inane/Shannaro have it a different way I belive.

[Alexandrius]

Jiraya would win. Tony is giving reasons enough. He's got this discussion covered.

Jiraya = Sannin
Itachi = Brat

[Ltd.]

Originally Posted by Tony

BS..Kisame use nothing..just a little splash jutsu, nothing that could drain a Chakra beast like Kisame.

Gai? wtf is Gai? A 30% kisame took on Gai (with 6 gates), Lee, Neji, and Ten-ten.

read damnit Gai meaning to say that guy was on the scene when Itachi and Kisame fled away now more ninja's would come and battle.

Don't be such a picky little bitch about your manga's just because the one has a name doesn't mean it's better that's total bull.


@ Alex

Itachi = Sharingan = justsu copy + unstopable gen jutsu

Damnit people won't forget the rank part won't they.
Kakashi's dad = Jounin yet still he was considerd on the same powerscale so Rank is bull in the Naruto universe there are some occasions where it does matter but not in this one.

[Apoo]

Originally Posted by Ltd.

read damnit Gai meaning to say that guy was on the scene when Itachi and Kisame fled away now more ninja's would come and battle.

A-What can a bunch of Ninja do? Gai is an exceptional ninja, and he still can't do shit vs a 30% Kisame.

Originally Posted by Ltd.

Don't be such a picky little bitch about your manga's just because the one has a name doesn't mean it's better that's total bull.

I'l keep being a "pickety little bitch"..You know I'm right, there are bad translations and there are good translations..NMR is a rushed job.