The lightning country...

[monkeyd8892]

Well from what i read so far, the Hidden cloud villige, or the thunder country, had 2 tailed beast in their hands.

They had the 2 tailed beast, which was shown early in shippuden, and they also have the 8 tailed beast, which was shown to be a really strong foe.

So my discussion would be, if the hidden cloud villege decided to go to war, with those two beast in their hands, do you think that they would be at a big advantage?? do you think that konoha would be at a disadvantage?? i mean look at the beast, their at their full potential, do you think that even with naruto, who has only gone 4 tailed, could help konoha to victory?? Discuss the lightningh country, and their power, and also if they are too strong, or were =D

[EternalAgony]

Nope, i think they could beat Konoha if they had their village backing them. Naruto can't stop them at his current state, if he turned 4 tails, he might just end up helping their cause. Naruto might turn on the village himself eh.

However if Naruto had the control the 8 tails had that's another story eh.

[Yoshitsune]

You can't judge based on bijyu power i agree it's one of the important things at boosting military power in each country since it has its own army number which can affect the entire battle field also I don't think Konoha will be along fighting them since it's allied with the Sand country second strongest country of the great nations...


so far we still ignore what 8 tails beast is capable of so does the 2 tails who can control dead ghost since the battle was interrupted ,if we wait for next chapter things might be clearer lol

[The stig]

Isn't this an easy question?

Two bijuu and a village vs. A village and a kid who can't control past 3 tails and gets the chakra surpressed everytime...

[IonRom]

Lightning country may resemble the Sand Village: few and exceptional shinobi with some sort of superweapon (the two hosts). Also from the conversation of the Cloud shinobi they don' t like the Hachibi and he seems to bring trouble i.e. destruction to the village.
I remember that the girl didn' t have backup from her village and the shinobi that are watching 8 Tails vs Hawk don' t say a word about helping Hachibi or make a plan to attack Hawk. They just say look at the crazy guy as he fights Akatsuki.
So the Cloud country can' t integrate (collaborate with) their hosts in their plans unlike Konoha where Naruto does what he is being told even he comments on the situation.
Konoha is number one in terms of number of shinobi, and power, even when they lost up to 50% of their troops the other countries didn' t attacked them. Also remember that Konoha fighting philosophy is centred on the training, teamwork and protecting the next generation of villagers while respecting the past ones. Other villages haven' t this philosophy and from the words of Pein and Madara that makes them stronger.

[Ycagel]

Originally Posted by IonRom

Lightning country may resemble the Sand Village: few and exceptional shinobi with some sort of superweapon (the two hosts). Also from the conversation of the Cloud shinobi they don' t like the Hachibi and he seems to bring trouble i.e. destruction to the village.
I remember that the girl didn' t have backup from her village and the shinobi that are watching 8 Tails vs Hawk don' t say a word about helping Hachibi or make a plan to attack Hawk. They just say look at the crazy guy as he fights Akatsuki.
So the Cloud country can' t integrate (collaborate with) their hosts in their plans unlike Konoha where Naruto does what he is being told even he comments on the situation.
Konoha is number one in terms of number of shinobi, and power, even when they lost up to 50% of their troops the other countries didn' t attacked them. Also remember that Konoha fighting philosophy is centred on the training, teamwork and protecting the next generation of villagers while respecting the past ones. Other villages haven' t this philosophy and from the words of Pein and Madara that makes them stronger.

Well, they are saying Killerbee-sama, so he is some big shot there. And with the Nibi... Well, she kind of planned on trapping and killing them alone with her Bijuu form. Probably why no one was there.

Also, Pain did end his speech by saying that the other four villages had their own "will of fire" thing going on, he just didn't explain them.

[Rurouni272000]

I think Konoha is so big and full of kickass ninja that the Cloud would have a very difficult time dealing with them. With ninjas like the Sannin, Hokage, Kakashi and Gai, etc. on Team Konoha I don't think the Cloud would ever have an easy victory.

[Seshen]

well about twelve years ago in the story (from current time in shippuden) the Cloud village was at war with Konoha.

From what we can tell the war was extensive and took many years just for it to come to a stalemate. It is actually very important to note that this is right after the war with the Rock village. Konoha is allmost allways in a state of war. Yet it hung in there with the second most powerfull village right afgter a major war with another village.

Kumogakure no sato aka Cloud village is actually refered to as the only village capable of stalemating Leaf village. And this is at the time that the villages lacked the biju. All of this took place when Kyubi was still inside the infant Naruto and could not be summoned. While as on the other side yugito was still a 3 or 4 yr old girl and killer be was maybe in his early teens. Killer bee at this point would likely be as unstable as naruto was in his early years with kyubi, being more of a liability in combat than an actual directed weapon.

Each village using just its own homebread standard ninja (fucking awesome teeenage kakashi level ninja) were going at it full force and stalemating. Back when konoha was fighting rock village they still had Orochimaru at least based on his defection time table. Jiraiya was still apart of the village and had to have been fighting. so Konoha with orochimaru, Yondaime, and Jiraiya were actually stronger before they fought the cloud village.

Konoha in its current state is nothing like it was 20 or 25 years ago. During the great 4th secret world war. And the cloud village has only gotten stronger since.

Cloud village takes this right now. Had this fight been 20 -25 years ago (story wise) Konoha would slaughter them.

[fuoff209]

Originally Posted by Seshen

well about twelve years ago in the story (from current time in shippuden) the Cloud village was at war with Konoha.

From what we can tell the war was extensive and took many years just for it to come to a stalemate. It is actually very important to note that this is right after the war with the Rock village. Konoha is allmost allways in a state of war. Yet it hung in there with the second most powerfull village right afgter a major war with another village.

Kumogakure no sato aka Cloud village is actually refered to as the only village capable of stalemating Leaf village. And this is at the time that the villages lacked the biju. All of this took place when Kyubi was still inside the infant Naruto and could not be summoned. While as on the other side yugito was still a 3 or 4 yr old girl and killer be was maybe in his early teens. Killer bee at this point would likely be as unstable as naruto was in his early years with kyubi, being more of a liability in combat than an actual directed weapon.

Each village using just its own homebread standard ninja (fucking awesome teeenage kakashi level ninja) were going at it full force and stalemating. Back when konoha was fighting rock village they still had Orochimaru at least based on his defection time table. Jiraiya was still apart of the village and had to have been fighting. so Konoha with orochimaru, Yondaime, and Jiraiya were actually stronger before they fought the cloud village.

Konoha in its current state is nothing like it was 20 or 25 years ago. During the great 4th secret world war. And the cloud village has only gotten stronger since.

Cloud village takes this right now. Had this fight been 20 -25 years ago (story wise) Konoha would slaughter them.

Actually Konoha wuz at war with the Hidden Rock Village not the Hidden Cloud Village if i'm not mistaken. Nothing wuz ever mentioned about the cloud village. But rite now i think Konoha could maybe defeat the cloud village. The 8 tailz iz bad ass though so itz tought to say, the 2 tailz got owned though.

[Seshen]

Originally Posted by fuoff209

Actually Konoha wuz at war with the Hidden Rock Village not the Hidden Cloud Village if i'm not mistaken. Nothing wuz ever mentioned about the cloud village. But rite now i think Konoha could maybe defeat the cloud village. The 8 tailz iz bad ass though so itz tought to say, the 2 tailz got owned though.

The war with the rock village was referenced during the Kakashi gaiden and as it was the great secret world war it could be possible that konoha was at war with cloud village too at that time. But since we only have evidence of the rock fighting the leaf and brief refrences by Chiyoba mentioning the war invovling the leaf vs sand village we'll leave the cloud out of this.

Neji and Hinata's back story revieled of the Leaf/cloud war.

2 tails go owned by voodoo majic. we cant judge 2 tails actuall potential because it was up against an immortal and a guy with 5 lives.

[fuoff209]

^True. We didn't see the 2 tailz fight good. But i still don't think she'd be able to stand up 2 sum1 bad ass in my opinion. Also now that u mention it there hazn't been really any info on any of the ninja warz really.

[DemiGod.PBm]

There are too many elite shinobi in Konoha for Kumo to be a greater or equal village.

Yamato controls biju
Nara clan are known for their tatical genius
Hyuuga clan and superior taijutsu users
Tsunade is a Sannin, which still means something
Kakashi is pure talent and in possession of MS
Naruto's 3-tail transformation must produce as much power and Yugito's final form.
Superior medical nin

Having said all that, there isn't much info on Kumo to say they don't have the same calibre of fighters, but I feel there is a reason why it's one of the less spoken of villages. I reckon Kiri is Konoha's most likely equal.

[Bluegoggles]

I don't know the general talent the shinobi in Hidden Cloud has, but Konoha has always been hailed as having a plethora of talent. I think they would be able to outwit an attack with only the jinchuuriki to handle.

There's one thing that no other village has: the Death God jutsu. I don't know if Minato showed the Sandaime (he's The Professor afterall) the jutsu, but I bet Minato scribed it on a scroll and kept it hidden as a forbidden jutsu, in case something should happen in the future. Tsunade would have access to this. If it came down to sacrificing one's life to take out a bijuu, she'd do it. Kakashi would be someone else to do it, too.

Today, I don't know what relationship the Cloud and Leaf have other than the chuunin exams. Akatsuki are definately enemies of both. So, you'd think that the last thing the Cloud Village would think, is going to war.

Let's assume the 8-tails will be defeated (taken by Akatsuki) or badly injured. In either case, Cloud may feel vulnerable. If there would ever be a plot twist, it would be Madara (as Mizukage) orchestrating a pact with the Cloud and Mist, with attacking Konoha in mind at some point. Madara would come up with some sort of reason they'll agree on.

There's been some people, including myself, just wondering how much impact the Hyuuga have had from Konoha's birth up to today. I'm sure the Hyuuga (especially Neji) have enmity towards the Cloud Village. It would create some good backstory opportunities if word got out that the Cloud Village may attack Konoha.

[usn014]

i dont think those 2 bijuu and mediocre nins that the lightning village has will be able to hold against the goon squad that is the ninja of konoha...too strong

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by usn014

i dont think those 2 bijuu and mediocre nins that the lightning village has will be able to hold against the goon squad that is the ninja of konoha...too strong

8 tails alone would do some damage..i mean,was does konoha have now??...

[Poncho Sama]

konoha is in a weakened position now. There are very few people in Konoha that have the capability of taking on a jinchuuriki. I'd say Naruto and shikamaru are the only ones.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Poncho Sama

konoha is in a weakened position now. There are very few people in Konoha that have the capability of taking on a jinchuuriki. I'd say Naruto and shikamaru are the only ones.

Normally, with non bijuu opponents i would agree with your opinion that shikamaru could handle a situation like that. But i think when it comes to the tailed beasts, youll need more than wits to take them on.
Shikimaru is a genius yes, but againts someone like killerbee, it simply would not be enough, becuase of the magnitude of power he is facing.

IMO there does come a point, where with enough power...intelligence can be negated.
But thats extreme cases(like the hachibi)

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Normally, with non bijuu opponents i would agree with your opinion that shikamaru could handle a situation like that. But i think when it comes to the tailed beasts, youll need more than wits to take them on.
Shikimaru is a genius yes, but againts someone like killerbee, it simply would not be enough, becuase of the magnitude of power he is facing.

IMO there does come a point, where with enough power...intelligence can be negated.
But thats extreme cases(like the hachibi)

You have a point. If shikamaru by himself wouldn't work he'd probably team up with Yamato or kakashi to take down a jinchuuriki.

[sikwidit]

Originally Posted by DemiGod.PBm

Naruto's 3-tail transformation must produce as much power and Yugito's final form.

ur right. naruto's 3t transformation is most likely way stronger than yugito's 2t

[Seshen]

Look at it this way.... Yugito was stronger than Gaara. Tha in of itself says alot.