Naruto Manga chapter 393 spoiler discussion thread.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by The J-man

But he never said "I see you dead". He said that was the gap between their power and he can back that up. Susano'o blocked Sasuke's Ultimate jutsu like. That's the gap between between their powers and their eyes. Itachi said it and he backed it up. Sasuke didn't.

Thats called shit talking.
And what? Your saying Sasuke didnt back up his words cuz his Karin didn't kill him.

Then i say the same for Susanoo, Ameratsu, and Tsukuyomi.

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

they have bonds towards him he hasnt expressed any personal bonds towards any of them, he threatened to kill team hebi, except for kirin he is just using them to achieve his own goals and as far as im concerned at this point he has no bond towards konoha, they are a part of his past that held him back... if u notice i say at this point because i think itll change but right now kakashi was right this is what revenge has brought nothing but lonliness for sasuke

What does that have to do with anything.

I disagree with you on him being alone.

But how is it relevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by ponchocam

, my goodness. Can you be somewhat impartial?

True.
Your right, i'm sorry.
Didnt mean to be so direct.

Sakura freakin offered to go to orochimaru's with him, and leave her family, and help him kill Itachi.

She's trained these last few years to get him back.

Feelings like that don't go away.
And if you think they do.

Then just look at the strength of Narutos conviction to bring him back.

[Gathan]

Damn oh why did Itachi have to go unconscious! WHY?!
Seriously Sasuke wins because Itachi passes out, thats bullshit

[mr.taki]

girls like guys who treat them like shit, so i am sure she still loves sasuke. and sees naruto as a nice guy. anyway if this itachi hunt is over, the next logical step should be a madara hunt, maybe that leads him to naruto, so they can have their (long awaited) disappointing fight.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by mr.taki

girls like guys who treat them like shit, so i am sure she still loves sasuke. and sees naruto as a nice guy. anyway if this itachi hunt is over, the next logical step should be a madara hunt, maybe that leads him to naruto, so they can have their (long awaited) disappointing fight.

I can't wait till Naruto kicks Sasuke's ass if that happens.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

Kakashi knew what he was talking about.

@Uchihaeyez Not really seeing how Sasuke would kick his ass.

im agreeing that kakashi knew what he was talking about in the picture

[The J-man]

Thats called shit talking.
And what? Your saying Sasuke didnt back up his words cuz his Karin didn't kill him.

Then i say the same for Susanoo, Ameratsu, and Tsukuyomi.

Are you serious? Itachi stopped Amaterasu and Orochimaru took what could have been Sasuke's hit with Susano'o. Tsukuyomi failed becuase it was Genjutsu and Sasuke has an Uchiha has a good chance to counter it. Please you make no sense. Let me remind you Sasuke is going for the kill. Itachi is trying to keep Sasuke as untouched as possible. Is like when an Akatsuki fights a Biju and can't kill him. It makes the fight even harder for them. Please just stop your making me sick to my stomach with your skills to fail to understand situations.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by The J-man

Are you serious? Itachi stopped Amaterasu and Orochimaru took what could have been Sasuke's hit with Susano'o. Tsukuyomi failed becuase it was Genjutsu and Sasuke has an Uchiha has a good chance to counter it. Please you make no sense. Let me remind you Sasuke is going for the kill. Itachi is trying to keep Sasuke as untouched as possible. Is like when an Akatsuki fights a Biju and can't kill him. It makes the fight even harder for them. Please just stop your making me sick to my stomach with your skills to fail to understand situations.

wtf?

Sasuke OVERCAME his TSUKUYOMI.

What should have burned Sasuke in half, didn't.

Whethor or not Itachi was trying to burn half of him or all of him he countered that attack.

And Itachi didnt use that sword Attack until he after Orochimaru came out, theres nothing that says it was intended for Sasuke, especially since Oro was 1000 ft in the air.

And if Itachi knew he had power for only one attack, then he's an idiot for wasting it.

im agreeing that kakashi knew what he was talking about in the picture

And yet.
Sasuke would kick his ass.

[MasterTragedy]

itachi would have ended it after the first ameratsu if he was going for kill, sasuke could have done his counter once his katon was beatin, he wouldn't have been able to do it twice since its so taxing so he would have gotten roasted...not hating, just being logical. If it had been for kill he would have never needed susanno. (my 2 cents on that. Even though that's not how story turned out so doesn't matter...)

Edit: forgot about oro...he would have probably saved sasuke from 2nd ameratsu somehow...

[Helix147]

I know it's not really possible, but what if Itachi is passing out/dieing because sauske was hit by susanoo (ie, Sauske seeing this is susanoo genjutsu)? Wasn't Oro still 'attached' to Sauske when he was hit? maybe some (or all) of it transferred. IMO, this would make since because this is what Sauske wants - Itachi to die - and it goes with the susanoo genjutsu where the person that gets hit falls in a lucid dream.

Anyway, I'd like it.

[Blackghost164]

doesnt matter what could of happened the fact remains that it appears that itachi is down and sasuke is still standing, for whatever reason i think u (tragedy) said it best when u said that sasuke physically won but emotionally he lost because he did not deliver the finishing blow

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

how can u confirm that sasuke could beat kakashi, who is a genius and also one of the top jounin in the leaf?

But do you agree that its debatable?
I think that the fact that its even debatable is emerassing to some one who you claimed to be a "geniu," and a "top jounin in the leaf."

Originally Posted by Tragedy

itachi would have ended it after the first ameratsu if he was going for kill, sasuke could have done his counter once his katon was beatin, he wouldn't have been able to do it twice since its so taxing so he would have gotten roasted...not hating, just being logical. If it had been for kill he would have never needed susanno. (my 2 cents on that. Even though that's not how story turned out so doesn't matter...)

wth?
Sasuke dodged his attack with Susanoo.

Whethor it was meant to kill or not, it was directed at him and he countered it.

[The J-man]

wtf?

Sasuke OVERCAME his TSUKUYOMI.

What should have burned Sasuke in half, didn't.

Whethor or not Itachi was trying to burn half of him or all of him he countered that attack.

And Itachi didnt use that sword Attack until he after Orochimaru came out, theres nothing that says it was intended for Sasuke, especially since Oro was 1000 ft in the air.

And if Itachi knew he had power for only one attack, then he's an idiot for wasting it.

Didn't said that Sasuke overcame Tsukuyomi becuase of his Sharingan. Read!

Amaterasu should have burned him in half but Sasuke was saved by Orochimaru's power. Even Zetsu commented that Sasuke was using Orochimaru's power.

The sword was found and added to Susano'o which means Susano'o probably has an ability of its own since it didn't came with the package. And how do you assume that is possible that Itachi has the power for one attack? We don't even know how much Susano'o drains him. He said that he needs to use Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to "Unlock" Susano'o which could mean it isn't really a lot of work from him. Not to mention he used the technique rather easily after using 1 Tsukuyomi and 2 Amaterasus.

[MasterTragedy]

uchiha I meant that sasuke wouldn't have gotten chance to use Kirin if itachi going for kill, susanno wouldn't have been needed to block the attack

[viperous]

I wonder if those white snake escaping means oro's still alive. That bastard seems to find ways to keep myself going.

[The J-man]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Whats your point. Kakashi has sharingan and he couldnt. Sasuke SKILL with sharingan overcame it.



Whats your point? Sasuke utilizted every weapon available to him.



Itachi just collapsed. I'm assuming his attack to Oro was the only succesful one since Sasuke isnt down.

Do you download the manga just to watch Sasuke make flashy moves and ignore what's happening?

Kakashi can't avoid Tsukuyomi. He's not a true Uchiha. Itachi said it when he visited Konoha. Kakashi can counter regular genjutsu and probably regular Sharingan genjutsu but he can't counter an MS genjutsu since he's not an Uchiha.

Sasuke used every weapon he had which were the ones he stole from Orochimaru.

Itachi collapsed becuase Sasuke was saved and Orochimaru took his hit. I'm sure he could have gone for another hit. We just don't know what really happened at this point.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by The J-man

I said Kakashi>Sasuke.

The Sasuke you saw in this fight was Sasuke+Orochimaru. It was commented by Zetsu already.

He barely used Oro's power.
What did he honestly use from Oro?

The replacement thats it.

Sasuke would be nothing without Orochimaru's power against Kakashi. Sasuke isn't going to spam Raiton like he does in every fight againt his opponents. Raiton is Kakashi's element and he knows it well. As far as Kirin goes I believed it was said Kakashi cut through lightning once.

Before he absorbed orochimaru he was running circles around Naruto and gang at the hideout, when orochimaru stopped him from obliterating them with Kirin.

Sasuke is far from nothing.

Thunder strikes in 1/1000 of a second. It lasts longer. Kakashi could not have hit it the same time it struck.

The CS and Sharingan might help Sasuke here but not that much. Kakashi's Sharingan mastery is as good as Itachi's. It is a fact my friend so Sharingan will not play such a big role. If Sasuke uses Genjutsu, Kakashi can counter. Renember regular Sharingan genjutsu isn't unbreakable. The CS could play a role but not for a long time. The CS drains a lot of power and Sasuke won't be able to keep it on for the entire fight.

If i remember Sasuke beat tsukuyomi something even Kakshi hasnt been able to do, i'd say Sasuke's genjutsu skills far outmatch kakashi's.

As well as his handseal speed, he shut down Itachi in that sense, Even zetsu couldnt see the signs.

Sasuke has his speed which is good but just look at Kakashi's senses. His hearing is probably insane. Not to mention he has better sense of smell than Kiba, better Taijutsu than Rock Lee and he's smarter than Shikamaru. And let's not mention all the elements he can use and his very improved hand sign speed in the Time Skip.

Kakashi can have all the sense in the world, but his body doesnt move as fast as Sasuke's so sooner or later he'd be stabbed or impaled by his sword or chidori.

I'm not even going to talk about Kakashi's MS.

Kakashi can't control the size and location of his technique.

HE barely hit a slow moving Deidra.

You think he'd hit Sasuke while he was moving in his uber fast mode.

Sasuke used every weapon he had which were the ones he stole from Orochimaru

Oh is stealing for techniques bad?

How about killing for techniques?

Like killing a friend you revered as a brother?

Stop being hypocritcal.

[MasterTragedy]

^ now you're being hypocritical, but oh well. There's nothing or anything anyone can say cause youll just say sasuke will use speed sharingan and Kirin and own every character of naruto in a fight...this is pointless, night.

[Dark Janza]

Too much crap to read. That took some time.

Anyway, this spoiler was interesting. I knew Sasuke had to win in some way. I was just wondering how Kishimoto would pull it off.

It seems like Itachi was moving towards Sasuke and passed out and hit his forehead instead. Priceless. Seems like we can make a credit card commercial from this fight.

*Kill your whole clan... get super eyesight.
*Piss of your brother... gain some entertainment.
*Flicking your bros head... priceless.

[fotte]

if spoilers are not fake, then this fight ends in an unexpected way.

[The J-man]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

He barely used Oro's power.
What did he honestly use from Oro?

The replacement thats it.

Where should I start? Sasuke is fighting Itachi and after Itachi and Sasuke throws shuriken at each other Itachi created a Shadow Clone which Sasuke didn't even see it. Itachi throws Kunais at Sasuke and what comes out of Sasuke's shoulder? A snake! Itachi was shocked probably becuase he never saw somebody use snakes like that besides Orochimaru and I'm sure he assumed Orochimaru was in there somewhere. He said more when Sasuke used the Replacement Technique and when the 8 Headed Snake came out and he felt Orochimaru he said "You've finally showed yourself". He owned Orochimaru and didn't look surprise at all that he was inside Sasuke but becuase he knew from the start.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Before he absorbed orochimaru he was running circles around Naruto and gang at the hideout, when orochimaru stopped him from obliterating them with Kirin.

Sasuke is far from nothing.

Thunder strikes in 1/1000 of a second. It lasts longer. Kakashi could not have hit it the same time it struck.

Everything has a counter in this manga and don't underestimate Kakashi's speed. Gai said he cut through lightning in the manga my friend. That makes it "canon".

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

If i remember Sasuke beat tsukuyomi something even Kakshi hasnt been able to do, i'd say Sasuke's genjutsu skills far outmatch kakashi's.

Did you even read Part 1? And Kakashi is good at genjutsu and I'm sure he can counter extremely well. Don't forget his KB as well. He knows how to use them well.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

As well as his handseal speed, he shut down Itachi in that sense, Even zetsu couldnt see the signs.

Zetsu commented about Sasuke? You really need to read the manga. He talked about Itachi not Sasuke.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Kakashi can have all the sense in the world, but his body doesnt move as fast as Sasuke's so sooner or later he'd be stabbed or impaled by his sword or chidori.

Do I have to repeat his Sharingan mastery is as good as Itachi's and Kakashi isn't slow. Let me repeat Kakashi isn't slow. If speed was that much of a factor Deidara would have lasted one chapter against Sasuke.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Kakashi can't control the size and location of his technique.

HE barely hit a slow moving Deidra.

You think he'd hit Sasuke while he was moving in his uber fast mode.

There's always a way to catch or distract your opponent in battle. Is one of the shinobis basic techniques.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez