Naruto Manga chapter 393 spoiler discussion thread.

[bbh2706]

Originally Posted by Lokiee

Why do people keep saying this?

Sasuke lives, Itachi died. Therefore the winner is sasuke.

Both of them entered this fight with intentions of gaining something. Itachi wanted sasuke's eyes and sasuke wanted revenge. In the end who succeeded? Thats all that matters to determine who won or loss. The technicalities can be debated but it wouldnt matter cause in the end the winner is still sasuke.

I agree. Even if Itachi did not want Sauske's eyes (say he was an unrelated Uchiha), I don't see how that would have made Itachi win.

I guess that he wouldn't have discontinued Amaterasu as soon, but Sasuke still would have avoided Amaterasu w/ Oro's technique. He obviously must have avoided it before the lower 1/2 of his body was consumed. If anything, Itachi would have pointlessly pumped more chakra into Amaterasu after Sasuke had already avoided it making Sasuke's win easier.

Sasuke used every little bit of the power that he obtained from Oro (including a helpful, Susan'o absorbing cameo by Oro himself) to beat Itachi. That was the point of going to Oro wasn't it?

[bbh2706]

Originally Posted by MuKen

He was hit, otherwise why is his wing missing? He used the replacement after the hit to get out from the Amateratsu flames that Itachi was still keeping around him

Naruto 390 page 09 | One Manga

but it was by Itachi's will that the fire didn't go straight to his head and kill him.

You can see right in that link that Sasuke doesn't cut the hole in the ground until after he is engulfed by the flames, meaning it is already Itachi's decision that the flames don't cover him completely.

Ok, fair enough. I see your point, but I'm not sure that we can infer all of that from the page that you reference. If he is already engulfed and completely at Itachi's mercy in the first panel, then he should have lost the lower 1/2 of his body.

Since Sasuke didn't lose the lower half of his body, I say that he was able to cut the hole and use Oro's technique before Itachi had him completely at his mercy.

If Sasuke was using his wing to shield himself for the momentary respite that he needed to cut the hole and use Oro's technique, wouldn't that mean that he could have shielded his head as well as his body?

I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just saying that I don't think that its a valid inference that Itachi had Sasuke completely beaten at the point that you say that he did.

[Plot No Jutsu]

I hope Sasuke loses the CS.

The pics make me happy. Sasuke crawling after all the trash talking.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by The J-man

Shunshin is overrated. Please stop with the Sasuketardism. Shunshin is basic technique that most Jounin can use.



How many times I have to fucking tell you that Kakashi can't overcome Tsukuyomi becuase he's not a fucking Uchiha. Sasuke overcame it becuase of his bloodline.

Bullshit because of his bloodline. He overcame it because of his skill with sharingan.

Itachi had used Tsukuyomi. Obviously he couldn't even dodge a shuriken. He was heavily affected by it. Also don't compare a tatoo summon with hand sign speed. They are clearly faster. When their Katons collide Sasuke was faster but Itachi was already fucked.

What about the katon seals? Sasuke had him beat in the speed, and the power.

Can you tell me when did I said Kakashi can overcome Tsukuyomi?

You said Sasuke only beat tsukuyomi because he's an uchiha. He was an uchiha when he got hit by it the first two times and he didnt stop it.

He overcame it because of his skill with sharingan, stop trying to downplay his ability, just because Kakashi is unable to do it.

But he believed it was going to be cake walk to beat Deidara and that it was for sure he would secure info from him with his cockiness. Funny how Sasuke was shitting himself at the end of the fight.

Yeah but he won that fight.

Itachi thought it was going to be the same walk in the park, talking abou the gap between their power and eyes, and he fainted from exhaustion, its funny how itachi is facedown in the ground at the end, atleast Sasuke walked away from that fight.

Kakashi>Sasuke in battle tactics. Sasuke had his fight with Itachi planned and failed. Imagine finding a strategy against someone who's smarter than Shikamaru.

Why is that? Sasuke's brilliance with Deidra is something fuckin extrordinary and its definetly something Naruto would have never accomplished, and Kakashi had to resort to his MS to beat Deidra.

He is there's no doubt but saying Sasuke can beat Kakashi is madness. That's even putting Sasuke over the likes of Tsunade and Gai.

Thats not true. You have no idea how Gai and Tsunade compare to Kakashi post time skip.

[MuKen]

Originally Posted by bbh2706

Ok, fair enough. I see your point, but I'm not sure that we can infer all of that from the page that you reference. If he is already engulfed and completely at Itachi's mercy in the first panel, then he should have lost the lower 1/2 of his body.

Since Sasuke didn't lose the lower half of his body, I say that he was able to cut the hole and use Oro's technique before Itachi had him completely at his mercy.

What I'm saying is I don't believe that panel is showing us a clone OR a real Sasuke with 1/2 of his body missing, I don't think Kishimoto ever meant to imply anything about a missing lower torso. I think those black lines are just the retreating Amateratsu flames which are still on the surface of his intact body. If that was half a body gone and a bunch of char marks, then Itachi ought to be able to see the hole, right?

Well, in any case I don't agree, but I can see why you are thinking the way you are thinking. And I doubt we'd get any confirmation on what was going on, so let's just leave it at that.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by MuKen

What I'm saying is I don't believe that panel is showing us a clone OR a real Sasuke with 1/2 of his body missing, I don't think Kishimoto ever meant to imply anything about a missing lower torso. I think those black lines are just the retreating Amateratsu flames which are still on the surface of his intact body. If that was half a body gone and a bunch of char marks, then Itachi ought to be able to see the hole, right?

Well, in any case I don't agree, but I can see why you are thinking the way you are thinking. And I doubt we'd get any confirmation on what was going on, so let's just leave it at that.

I was under the impression those were the charred remains of sasuke's lower half.

I can't see legs, and ameratsu has already been stopped.

[MuKen]

Then shouldn't they be shaped like his lower half? They're all over the place, which is why I think this is simply supposed to be a picture of the Amaterasu in the process of being withdrawn.

[The J-man]

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Bullshit because of his bloodline. He overcame it because of his skill with sharingan.

If it was becuase of Sharingan skills Kakashi would have overcome it. His Sharingan is as good as Itachi's how many times I have to say this.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

What about the katon seals? Sasuke had him beat in the speed, and the power.

Like I said Tsukuyomi already had Itachi weakened and Sasuke launched his Katon first thank to this which gave him the edge to overpower Itachi's.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

You said Sasuke only beat tsukuyomi because he's an uchiha. He was an uchiha when he got hit by it the first two times and he didnt stop it.

He overcame it because of his skill with sharingan, stop trying to downplay his ability, just because Kakashi is unable to do it.

Are you 5 years old? The first time Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke he was like 8 and didn't have Sharingan. The second time Sasuke had Sharingan but with 2 tomoes and he was 12 years old. Sasuke is 16 now with a fully developed Sharingan. Itachi said it himself "Only an Uchiha can defeat me" which explains why Kakashi didn't overcome Tsukuyomi. Kakashi just simply can't break an MS Technique. Besides I renember Kakashi telling Itachi the second time they meet "I was unprepared last time".

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Yeah but he won that fight.

Itachi thought it was going to be the same walk in the park, talking abou the gap between their power and eyes, and he fainted from exhaustion, its funny how itachi is facedown in the ground at the end, atleast Sasuke walked away from that fight.

Becuase Orochimaru saved his ass. What would have happened if Orochimaru didn't pop out? Sasuke had used everything out of his ass.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Why is that? Sasuke's brilliance with Deidra is something fuckin extrordinary and its definetly something Naruto would have never accomplished, and Kakashi had to resort to his MS to beat Deidra.

Deidara was running from Kakashi and Naruto. He stayed to fight Sasuke. Obviously MS was the best choice for Kakashi. Learn how to understand situations in each fight.

Originally Posted by Uchihaeyez

Thats not true. You have no idea how Gai and Tsunade compare to Kakashi post time skip.

He's a given Hokage. Enough said.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by The J-man

If it was becuase of Sharingan skills Kakashi would have overcome it. His Sharingan is as good as Itachi's how many times I have to say this.

Your gonna say it has many times as it takes for you to offer proof.
Sasuke has been shown to use sharingan on Itachi's level.
Kakashi has not.
He can't even fully use his MS.

Like I said Tsukuyomi already had Itachi weakened and Sasuke launched his Katon first thank to this which gave him the edge to overpower Itachi's.

That has nothing to do with his handseal speed, Sasuke's handseal speed in deploying the katon, was way faster than Itachi's.

Are you 5 years old? The first time Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke he was like 8 and didn't have Sharingan. The second time Sasuke had Sharingan but with 2 tomoes and he was 12 years old. Sasuke is 16 now with a fully developed Sharingan. Itachi said it himself "Only an Uchiha can defeat me" which explains why Kakashi didn't overcome Tsukuyomi. Kakashi just simply can't break an MS Technique. Besides I renember Kakashi telling Itachi the second time they meet "I was unprepared last time".

Itachi said an Uchiha with the same eyes as him could only defeat him, and we saw how wrong he was.

Zetsu even said sharingan is just a shinobi weapon.

Its depends on the user to utilize it to its best ability.

Becuase Orochimaru saved his ass. What would have happened if Orochimaru didn't pop out? Sasuke had used everything out of his ass.

But thats not what happened. Oro was part of Sasuke's arsenal, and your just butthurt He stopped Itachi from hitting Sasuke with Susanoo.

Deidara was running from Kakashi and Naruto. He stayed to fight Sasuke. Obviously MS was the best choice for Kakashi. Learn how to understand situations in each fight.

Oh please.
Deidra even said he had no chakra. He had chakra when he fought Sasuke.

And Kakashi even said the only way to fight a long distance fighter is with long distance jutsu. He was unable to force a close ranged fight with Deidra, and Sasuke proved that statement wrong by forcing DD into close ranged combat despite having a wing ripped off.

He's a given Hokage. Enough said.

So?
Who else would there be?
Gai? lets be serious.
Kakashi is the only real candidate, and his strength is only half of it, its also because of his wisdom.

[MasterTragedy]

^Suggest you stop arguing about this before you get banned from thread...

Off topic : If itachi hadn't stopped 1st ameratsu, sasuke would have used rep tech then. (Which looks to me he could only do once) Even if he dug through roof and prepared kirin with katon, Itachi would have had 2nd ameratsu up and that'd be it...so ya...

On Topic: Has there been anything confirmed bout the kisame vs suigetsu stuff? I ain't seen anything yet...it seems kind of ridiculous to me that he could be even with kisame. And I dunno why, but for some reason I hope itachi is poking sasuke's forhead on purpose instead of reaching for eyes...just seems like a cooler way to go.

[The J-man]

Originally Posted by Tragedy

^Suggest you stop arguing about this before you get banned from thread...

Off topic : If itachi hadn't stopped 1st ameratsu, sasuke would have used rep tech then. (Which looks to me he could only do once) Even if he dug through roof and prepared kirin with katon, Itachi would have had 2nd ameratsu up and that'd be it...so ya...

On Topic: Has there been anything confirmed bout the kisame vs suigetsu stuff? I ain't seen anything yet...it seems kind of ridiculous to me that he could be even with kisame. And I dunno why, but for some reason I hope itachi is poking sasuke's forhead on purpose instead of reaching for eyes...just seems like a cooler way to go.

Actually Itachi used 2 Amaterasus. Once to burn Sasuke's fire itself and one to burn the 2nd half of the Sasuke replacement.

The Suigetsu v. Kisame Spoiler seems very unlikely.

[MasterTragedy]

Originally Posted by The J-man

Actually Itachi used 2 Amaterasus. Once to burn Sasuke's fire itself and one to burn the 2nd half of the Sasuke replacement.

The Suigetsu v. Kisame Spoiler seems very unlikely.

I know, thats what I mean. If he didn't stop after he overpowered Sasuke's katon (Which he poured alot of power into to stop sasuke's attack, then stopped cause it would endanger sasuke's eyes) He could have just continued and then forced sasuke to use replacement tech then. Then Itachi could have roasted him with the 2nd one when sasuke tried to use kirin.

[Lycobre]

Originally Posted by Tragedy

I know, thats what I mean. If he didn't stop after he overpowered Sasuke's katon (Which he poured alot of power into to stop sasuke's attack, then stopped cause it would endanger sasuke's eyes) He could have just continued and then forced sasuke to use replacement tech then. Then Itachi could have roasted him with the 2nd one when sasuke tried to use kirin.

the thing with that plan is, itachi had no idea sasuke had orochi's jutsu.

i can't wait to see what is actually going between sasuke and itachi.

[relinski]

[quote=Uchihaeyez;2720622]
But thats not what happened. Oro was part of Sasuke's arsenal, and your just butthurt He stopped Itachi from hitting Sasuke with Susanoo.

You cant call somethng you cannot control part of your arsenal, if he could control it oro wouldnt have escaped. So no it wasnt part of HIS arsenal and he only won because of oro. I hate sasuke and itachi so i dont care either way who wins or loses, but this is the only reason he won.

[MasterTragedy]

Originally Posted by Lycobre

the thing with that plan is, itachi had no idea sasuke had orochi's jutsu.

i can't wait to see what is actually going between sasuke and itachi.

Ya, I'm only operating under the assumption that Itachi was going for kill. Its pointless but true.

Plus, I swear I'm gonna flip if after head poke theres 2-3 chapters of flashbacks.

[Lycobre]

Originally Posted by Tragedy

Ya, I'm only operating under the assumption that Itachi was going for kill. Its pointless but true.

Plus, I swear I'm gonna flip if after head poke theres 2-3 chapters of flashbacks.

you aint the only one. i can't wait for this to be over, there is a more inetresting part of the story line waiting. like naruto finding out that he actually had parents.

looking at the spoilers. if the bit about the head poke turns out to be true. that means itachi didn't have the will power, to take sasuke's eyes. even jiraiya came back from the dead for a sec.

[bbh2706]

Originally Posted by MuKen

Well, in any case I don't agree, but I can see why you are thinking the way you are thinking. And I doubt we'd get any confirmation on what was going on, so let's just leave it at that.

I agree.

[edwin8099]

If this freaking spoilers translations are right whick look very much like they are, how the hell does itachi die of exhaustion when it was Sasuke that ran out of chakra first. Dumb way to end this battle.

[naffizi]

I Think Kishsis Point Is Simple....sasuke Is Not a Ninja Worthy Enough To Beat Itachi...

Kishi Had To End This Shit Somehow....and I Think He Wanted To Show Sasukes Growth

And Aslo Show Why Itachi Is The Most Feared Uchia Since Madara


At The End Of The Day Am Guessing Kishi Wanted Us To Know Of All Sharingan Weilders Sasuke Is Still The Weakest


In Other Words Having Seen How Helpless He Was ....with Itachi...to The Extent He Almost Lost Himself To Oro

He Will Train Harder Thinking Every Day Damn.....!

"even After All The Drugs, And Detaching Myself From My Village I Almost Persihsed, Am I that Weak?"

I Think Its Better Itachi Dies From Exhaustion Cuz Sasuke Is Not The Nin Worthy Enough To Stuff Him


Plus....sasuke Did Not Willingly Release Oro...he Had No Option He Was Desperate


ONE MORE THING TO REMEMBER ITACHI RUNNNIN FROM J-MAN WHEN HE COULD HAVE USED SUSANO MAKES ME RESPECT J-MAN EVEN MORE....

[edwin8099]

Originally Posted by YondaimeSamaKun

I wonder if Sasuke is gonna man up and take those eyes of Itachi's

He Must of realized that him and Orochimaru, werent enough to go up against Itachi's MS so if he truly plans on following his quest of Uchiha Vengeance and Madara really is next on his list.....than he needs Itachi's eyes....he doesnt even stand a chance without them.

I dont think Itachi's eyes are of any value to sasuke he doesnt have MS. Unless he could put it on that little glass base itachi keeps on his pants for a later time when he miraculesly gets the MS.