Naruto Manga chapter 396 discussion.

[Seshen]

^ not to get off topic but I think that will end up helping Sasuke. He would abuse that curse mark so much it had to have been wrecking his body. Perhaps now with it gone the negative effects wont take their toll on him.

[Rurouni272000]

Naruto is no worse than any of the other rookies around his age, in fact, he's better than them when you consider his stamina and the sheer power of his techniques. Comparing him to Madara or Pain or others is ridiculous--they're grown ninjas, raised and trained to be powerful badasses, and Naruto's a 16 year old kid. Of course he's going to suck in comparison to people like that.

Now, the Sasuke comparison is a more valid one, but we do have to realize that Sasuke has two things going for him that Naruto does not: his blood and natural genius. His family gives him great power, so there's no point in griping about that, and he is a genius like Neji, Orochimaru, Itachi, and Kakashi before him, so there's no point in complaining about that. I agree that Naruto seems to suck more and more every day, but that's only because you are comparing him to shinobi GODS and geniuses. Compare him to others like Kiba or Hinata or Tenten or Sakura or god knows who else and he's better.

The reason why Naruto seems so weak is because he is constantly facing against some of the most powerful adversaries in the Narutoverse and he is just a 16 year old kid with some decent training and some amazing techniques. His truly special power is the Kyuubi, just like Shino's special ability is bugs or Kiba's is doggies or Sasuke's is the Sharingan, and just like those other abilities he needs to learn to control and use it. The only difference is that it will take Naruto a lot longer to be able to control the Kyuubi's power, but he becomes exponentially stronger than anyone else when he does use that power.

So basically, if you want to see Naruto "grow as a ninja" that's fine, but you'd better understand that if he's just going to be growing as a ninja it will take him 10 years to get to the point where he MIGHT be able to stand his ground against the likes of Pain and Madara and others. The Kyuubi is just a tool that he should learn to use, not discard, and that is what Jiraiya was trying to teach Naruto over the course of those 2 years.

[Ramstein]

If it was a case of comparing naruto to kiba and people series should have been named "Sasuke". i seriously would have quit reading naruto manga.Naruto is the main protagonist of the series.Always framed as an underdog.
Besides naruto earlier has shown that he can very well catch up to sasuke in power and genius.in Earlier mangas(the rasengan and attack on konoha arc).Sasuke has a blood& genius advantage...so does naruto he has more chakra compred to most people and for godsakes he is the son of 4th hokage.the genius hokage so there is untapped skill in Naruto which is w8ing for kishi to make it explode.

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

LOL!!!! This post was made of pure comedy and truth.

I don't blame ya Dussan, but you got to admit, you had a huge warning last year. Kishimoto said he would write mainly about Sasuke this year, so i mean... what can ya do?

Honestly I am just as pissed as you are, but for a different reason. That reason being is Naruto will never catch up with Madara,Sasuke or any other ultra powerful ninja without Kishimoto pulling random unbelieveable impossible power gains out of his ass to make Naruto strong. As he raises the power bar on other characters, he is only making it harder for Naruto to reach that point.

And what most people including myself fear the most is how Naruto is still dependent on the 9 tails. If releasing the "key" will grant him more 9 tail powers its going to be kinda lame. I think most people want to see Naruto grow as a NINJA. Not grow as a 9 tail junkie.

If Naruto was sent out of Konoha to train himself with Jiraiya scrolls while the uchiha story continues, I wouldn't have much of a problem, because I know while all this uchiha stuff is going on, Naruto is training to become stronger. But this is not the case, instead he is sitting here with a stick up his ass. Don't believe me? Just look at this pic:



That is the face of disappointment, Naruto is thinking to himself.. "What must I do to get Kishimoto to make me a good ninja and not a punk bitch"

All we can do is hang in there Dussan.

Agree, but as yet we've yet to see what Naruto is truly capable of(forgetting his future growth for the time being). I mean we've really yet to see Naruto in action- against Sasuke he was really injured after the Kyubi incident. And he got pwned against Tobi/Madara which is not surprising since 99% of everyone would(Tobi's got to be close to the most powerful ninja ever), hell if Sasuke went against Madara so would he.

Sasuke's obviously got the wood over Naruto but I'm sure Naruto has some toad jutsu tricks up his sleeve and some other ninjutsu or summoning tricks(Jiraiya had to have taught him something pretty useful over the three years). So far all we've seen is better timing with his clones, and a better rasengan and being a bit better at getting out of genjutsu.

[saerael]

its looking more and more likely that danzo is madara's brother or madara himself

[nameless_5r]

Originally Posted by shinobi7777

Sasuke is the perfect person to do this, someone with enough potential to kill Madara and with the morals to start the new clan ethically.

sasuke = morals?

LOL

[nameless_5r]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

LOL!!!! This post was made of pure comedy and truth.



I don't blame ya Dussan, but you got to admit, you had a huge warning last year. Kishimoto said he would write mainly about Sasuke this year, so i mean... what can ya do?



Honestly I am just as pissed as you are, but for a different reason. That reason being is Naruto will never catch up with Madara,Sasuke or any other ultra powerful ninja without Kishimoto pulling random unbelieveable impossible power gains out of his ass to make Naruto strong. As he raises the power bar on other characters, he is only making it harder for Naruto to reach that point.



And what most people including myself fear the most is how Naruto is still dependent on the 9 tails. If releasing the "key" will grant him more 9 tail powers its going to be kinda lame. I think most people want to see Naruto grow as a NINJA. Not grow as a 9 tail junkie.



If Naruto was sent out of Konoha to train himself with Jiraiya scrolls while the uchiha story continues, I wouldn't have much of a problem, because I know while all this uchiha stuff is going on, Naruto is training to become stronger. But this is not the case, instead he is sitting here with a stick up his ass. Don't believe me? Just look at this pic:







That is the face of disappointment, Naruto is thinking to himself.. "What must I do to get Kishimoto to make me a good ninja and not a punk bitch"



All we can do is hang in there Dussan.

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

Agree, but as yet we've yet to see what Naruto is truly capable of(forgetting his future growth for the time being). I mean we've really yet to see Naruto in action- against Sasuke he was really injured after the Kyubi incident. And he got pwned against Tobi/Madara which is not surprising since 99% of everyone would(Tobi's got to be close to the most powerful ninja ever), hell if Sasuke went against Madara so would he.

Sasuke's obviously got the wood over Naruto but I'm sure Naruto has some toad jutsu tricks up his sleeve and some other ninjutsu or summoning tricks(Jiraiya had to have taught him something pretty useful over the three years). So far all we've seen is better timing with his clones, and a better rasengan and being a bit better at getting out of genjutsu.

Remember that back in the day that^ face was sasukes face at not being powerful enough. Remember the forest when naruto helped sasuke against that huge snake? sasuke felt the same way, remember the top of the building when sasuke realized the power of the rasengan? sasuke felt the same way, remember naruto being able to stop Gaara when sasuke couldn't do much? sasuke felt the same way, remember when sasuke got his butt kicked by itachi? sasuke felt the same way.....well I could go on but I think you see my point. I feel that this "victory" over itachi by sasuke was well deserved(somewhat) since sasuke spent all this time doing some serious training under Oro. And I think it is safe to say that Oro did take the time to actually teach/explain new concepts to sasuke while on the other hand we don't know how J-man "trained" Naruto. If we take the past into consideration, we can assume that J-man might have been "here, watch me do this new trick Naruto then go try and figure it out on your own while I do some 'research.' and if you havent got it after a few months you're a failure and I'll come help you a little." In my opinion, it was Sasukes time and he got what he wanted. He should get to stand at the top as well, even if he became a traitor to do this. And remember, J-man and Kakashi did say something like "maybe naruto will get serious about training." Naruto has no excuse, he has spent all this time thinking about his B/F sasuke instead of trying to meet his own goals.....and what kind of b/s excuse is "how can i become hokage if i can't even save my friend?" A good leader doesn't sacrifice the whole for just one or two individuals. It's like saying "Fu@& the Lakers, let's just make sure Kobe looks good!"
-my two cents

[saerael]

tobi is madara's little brother?!?!

[Lycobre]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

Naruto is no worse than any of the other rookies around his age, in fact, he's better than them when you consider his stamina and the sheer power of his techniques. Comparing him to Madara or Pain or others is ridiculous--they're grown ninjas, raised and trained to be powerful badasses, and Naruto's a 16 year old kid. Of course he's going to suck in comparison to people like that.

Now, the Sasuke comparison is a more valid one, but we do have to realize that Sasuke has two things going for him that Naruto does not: his blood and natural genius. His family gives him great power, so there's no point in griping about that, and he is a genius like Neji, Orochimaru, Itachi, and Kakashi before him, so there's no point in complaining about that. I agree that Naruto seems to suck more and more every day, but that's only because you are comparing him to shinobi GODS and geniuses. Compare him to others like Kiba or Hinata or Tenten or Sakura or god knows who else and he's better.

The reason why Naruto seems so weak is because he is constantly facing against some of the most powerful adversaries in the Narutoverse and he is just a 16 year old kid with some decent training and some amazing techniques. His truly special power is the Kyuubi, just like Shino's special ability is bugs or Kiba's is doggies or Sasuke's is the Sharingan, and just like those other abilities he needs to learn to control and use it. The only difference is that it will take Naruto a lot longer to be able to control the Kyuubi's power, but he becomes exponentially stronger than anyone else when he does use that power.

So basically, if you want to see Naruto "grow as a ninja" that's fine, but you'd better understand that if he's just going to be growing as a ninja it will take him 10 years to get to the point where he MIGHT be able to stand his ground against the likes of Pain and Madara and others. The Kyuubi is just a tool that he should learn to use, not discard, and that is what Jiraiya was trying to teach Naruto over the course of those 2 years.

i agree, but come on 10 years. naruto don't have that long. we already suspected naruto to be stronger than the rest of the rookies. i wouldn't put them in the equation, since they are not the ones trying to kill him.

but still, i do wanna see naruto grow as a ninja and as a junkie. its gonna take some rehab but he can do it. remember he's the destined child, that was a bold statement made by kishi. so i'm gonna let kishi handle it.

[kjekkN]

god damnit, naruto is starting to look like one of the siblings in full house!

well, not really, but you get my point.

[AshBlade]

I bet madara's eyes he took from his bro such a long time ago really dont last forever. At one point, Itachi and Sasuke were best friends. Sasuke just killed him, now his MS should be able to be activated. Madara is gonna tell sasuke itachi was a good guy, activate his eyes, and try to jack them. Just my guess...

[Ramstein]

Originally Posted by AshBlade

I bet madara's eyes he took from his bro such a long time ago really dont last forever. At one point, Itachi and Sasuke were best friends. Sasuke just killed him, now his MS should be able to be activated. Madara is gonna tell sasuke itachi was a good guy, activate his eyes, and try to jack them. Just my guess...

Not necessary..There is lot of more shit that can be jacked other than his eyes..

[waqo]

Seriously though, if there's anymore Uchiha powerups beyond this i'm just going to flip! cmon kishi surely you can focus on something other than the goddamn sharingan for a while!!

[dt666999]

Man, looking at naruto's pic of disappointment, he should just say the following next chapter:

Naruto: "Enough. I don't care about Sasuke anymore. Sasuke is one shinobi. Just because I couldn't save him does not imply that I can't be a hokage. Kakashi Sensei, let's leave."

Seriously though, Kishi should just rename this manga:

Sharingan Sasuke:Emo Adventures

[samalot]

Wha about this Madara litle brother theory?

For all we now the first hookage beat (kill?) Madara. Maybe Madara did not take both of his brothers eye. Maybe he took just one and after Madara defeat his brother is the one behind everything. Specially if you think he can not contol the Kiuby but Sasuske can.

Madara isa shell? (Maybe he is a handicap now after the first beat him)

Oh well just a theory.

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

Naruto is no worse than any of the other rookies around his age, in fact, he's better than them when you consider his stamina and the sheer power of his techniques. Comparing him to Madara or Pain or others is ridiculous--they're grown ninjas, raised and trained to be powerful badasses, and Naruto's a 16 year old kid. Of course he's going to suck in comparison to people like that.

Now, the Sasuke comparison is a more valid one, but we do have to realize that Sasuke has two things going for him that Naruto does not: his blood and natural genius. His family gives him great power, so there's no point in griping about that, and he is a genius like Neji, Orochimaru, Itachi, and Kakashi before him, so there's no point in complaining about that. I agree that Naruto seems to suck more and more every day, but that's only because you are comparing him to shinobi GODS and geniuses. Compare him to others like Kiba or Hinata or Tenten or Sakura or god knows who else and he's better.

The reason why Naruto seems so weak is because he is constantly facing against some of the most powerful adversaries in the Narutoverse and he is just a 16 year old kid with some decent training and some amazing techniques. His truly special power is the Kyuubi, just like Shino's special ability is bugs or Kiba's is doggies or Sasuke's is the Sharingan, and just like those other abilities he needs to learn to control and use it. The only difference is that it will take Naruto a lot longer to be able to control the Kyuubi's power, but he becomes exponentially stronger than anyone else when he does use that power.

So basically, if you want to see Naruto "grow as a ninja" that's fine, but you'd better understand that if he's just going to be growing as a ninja it will take him 10 years to get to the point where he MIGHT be able to stand his ground against the likes of Pain and Madara and others. The Kyuubi is just a tool that he should learn to use, not discard, and that is what Jiraiya was trying to teach Naruto over the course of those 2 years.

But the thing is, sure we could compare him to sakura, kiba and ten ten, but those are his allies and he doesn't have to beat them. he has to beat the god shinobi's who would rip him apart in a head-on fight. Naruto is just raw power in some people's eyes but no brains to use that power. Even the geniuses you speak of, who are: kakashi, neji and sasuke can't even touch madara and pain and naruto is no were near there level. So it's understandable that people are going to compare naruto to his enemies, they are the ones he has to beat.

[Rurouni272000]

No, that's ridiculous. That's like comparing a 12 year old basketball player to a f-ing pro who has had years of training and experience, like M Jordan or Kobe, etc. I compare Naruto to the other rookies to base him on how good he should be for his age, without any super-enhancements like a bloodline or genius.

If you want to see if Naruto is strong or weak you have to compare him to others closer to him in age or skill or w/e. Like that 12 year old basketball player, if you wanna know if he's good or bad you'd compare him to the other kids on his team or maybe some 16 year olds if he's really good. Naruto is pretty powerful compared to his peers, and when he uses the Kyuubi he can far surpass them. But it is purely ridiculous to be mad that he's not at the level of some Akatsuki members. Again, in all realism it should take him at least a good 10 years (or less if he uses Kakashi's training method) to be at the point where he can stand up to them. But like someone said, he doesn't have that long, so he HAS to rely on what he already knows and his SPECIAL POWER: the Kyuubi. Naruto doesn't have a bloodline or genius working for him, which is great imo, but let's be honest, his special ability can beat the pants off of anyone else's (Naruto vs. Haku? Naruto vs. Neji?), with the obvious exception of the Sharingan and that's only because of some historical mumbo jumbo that says the Sharingan can control the Kyuubi.

Compared to most of his peers, Naruto is great. Compared to f-ing S-Rank criminals and Gods among shinobi he sucks. Um... obviously, durrrr.

[San Goku]

^

Sasuke can be compared to shinobi GODS though, so ya Naruto can be compared to them as well. His age has nothing to do with it really, I see what your trying to say. Naruto is a Konoha ninja, has exposure to all the tools necessary to become WIN. Sasuke has this opportunity too, used it and excelled, Naruto didn't and PHAILED. Sasuke beat Itachi, Orochimaru, and Deidara, Sakura(w/ help) defeated Sasori, so ya, we can compare Naruto and complain. I'm sorry, you can't give anymore excuses for Naruto. Compared to most peers, Naruto isn't great.

but like I said b4, need not worry, he'll get Jiraiya's scrolls, and become hax and finally a man.

[IonRom]

I remain at my hypotese that Sasuke with only eye activated was for dramatic effect not because of his wounds.
Off topic: This is more like Naruto/ Uchiha clan/ Sasuke bashing thread not a discussion on what ocurred in the current chapter.
I add my 2 cents
Naruto is weak compared to Sasuke (his age), probably to Shikamaru, Neji and Sai. Naruto should returned from training much stronger, wiser he returned only taller. Naruto is getting a lot bad opinions from this. I expected something like Invasion of Konoha arc from the training: a strong, cunning, sometimes confident Naruto that knows how to work with the Kyuubi. We got some glimpses in the fight against Kukuzu.
Sasuke is a genius he learned a lot from Oro who taught him everything so that he would get a strong body and see his limits. Madara might try to recruit Sasuke for gaining back the power he had: a sacriface from an equal Uchiha, like his brother. I think he would want Sasuke body like Oro.
If Kishi stoped the battle at the Kirin moment I think everybody would been happy. But he chose to overpower the Uchiha and in this the path for Naruto gotten even stepper.

[Rurouni272000]

Sasuke can be compared to shinobi GODS though, so ya Naruto can be compared to them as well. His age has nothing to do with it really, I see what your trying to say. Naruto is a Konoha ninja, has exposure to all the tools necessary to become WIN. Sasuke has this opportunity too, used it and excelled, Naruto didn't and PHAILED. Sasuke beat Itachi, Orochimaru, and Deidara, Sakura(w/ help) defeated Sasori, so ya, we can compare Naruto and complain. I'm sorry, you can't give anymore excuses for Naruto. Compared to most peers, Naruto isn't great.

^ You can't fairly compare Naruto to Sasuke, who has both an uber bloodline AND is a natural genius. I already said that. If you want to compare Naruto to Sasuke then you have to take into consideration Naruto's special ability, the Kyuubi, and with that power he is Sasuke's equal or better in combat (just not against Sasuke, but against anyone else).

Age and experience have a lot to do with it if you're talking about someone without a h4x bloodline or natural genius. Naruto is a 16 year old kid, as a ninja he should NOT be as good as the Akatsuki or Sasuke, who has both bloodline and genius under his belt. But if you compare Naruto to others in his age or experience or w/e group, he's pretty damn good because of his KBs and Rasengans. Compare him to any of the rookie 9, or even any of the other chuunin in the Leaf, and I gurantee you Naruto is right up there with them. Compare him to S-Rank criminals with years of experience in killing and Naruto seems lacking. No duh, are you honestly suprised?