Naruto Manga chapter 396 discussion.

[King_Lionheart]

Wow Madara's a magician. Anyone see his disappearing act?

Anyway it would be cool if Madara starts to train Sasuke. Or He might trick Sasuke into joining Akatsuki. And Kisame Might get Suigetsu to join as well and he and Sasuke can make their own team.

Also I think hebi might come and see where Sasuke is and bump into team Konoha. That would be interesting.

But anyway Tobi is AMAZING. Traveling at the speed of light? Over 10 kilometrs? Without A seal unlike that weak Minato. ROFL. Uchiha FTW.

[Rurouni272000]

It wasn't actually the speed of light, that was an exaggeration. The translator said so right in the chapter.

[IonRom]

It wasn' t 10 kilometers, it wasn' t the speed of light read the explanations given in the manga by the translation team.
When you compare the speed in which travel in a space/time portal against that speed light is like comparing the speed of tortoise against that of hare.

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Whenever Naruto has been put in the situation to really go at it with one of these "geniuses" or incredible shinobi that always looked far more impressive than he did he has risen to the occasion.

Think about it, not ONCE since Shippuden got under way have we gotten the opportunity to see Naruto fight somebody one on one without all sorts of babysitting crap going on. He hasn't been put in a situation where if he fails he's dead yet.

Sasuke, on the other hand, has been in these types of situations. I actually find it to be intelligent the way Kishimoto is handling this whole thing. Show all these badasses, doing their thing only to have everyone feeling: "Well it's clearly obvious that Naruto isn't on this level yet" or "Just what the hell is Naruto doing?" then after all of the impressive fights from other shinobi Naruto comes in with his big debut performance and forces a lot of previous assumptions about him to be seriously revisited.

Naruto's problem is he's one of those Shinobi that needs to really be put on the spot for him to truly shine and that hasn't really happened since Shipuuden has gotten under way. He's been put into these brief test of wit like stints that he has proven in the past to not be quite so good at.

Look at like all of Naruto's fights? He starts out getting his behind handed to him. He has never started off any fight looking as impressive as his opponent.

Against Neji he looked like a joke until he stepped up.
Against Kiba he looked like a joke until he stepped up
Against Gaara he looked like a joke until he stepped up
Against Sasuke at valley of the end he looked like a joke until he stepped up.

Rest assured, given the opportunity against Kimmimaro, he would've stepped his game up bigtime and been a match for him.

His first encounter with Sasuke since the timeskip. Put in the situation where he had to truly defend himself from Sasuke and stay alive it's very possible he would've lost, considering how worn out he was, but he would've risen to the occasion and shown he is a lot better than people are giving him credit for.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

^ You can't fairly compare Naruto to Sasuke, who has both an uber bloodline AND is a natural genius. I already said that. If you want to compare Naruto to Sasuke then you have to take into consideration Naruto's special ability, the Kyuubi, and with that power he is Sasuke's equal or better in combat (just not against Sasuke, but against anyone else).

Age and experience have a lot to do with it if you're talking about someone without a h4x bloodline or natural genius. Naruto is a 16 year old kid, as a ninja he should NOT be as good as the Akatsuki or Sasuke, who has both bloodline and genius under his belt. But if you compare Naruto to others in his age or experience or w/e group, he's pretty damn good because of his KBs and Rasengans. Compare him to any of the rookie 9, or even any of the other chuunin in the Leaf, and I gurantee you Naruto is right up there with them. Compare him to S-Rank criminals with years of experience in killing and Naruto seems lacking. No duh, are you honestly suprised?

sasuke isnt that far away from naruto, he beat dd fairly but dd was also scared of naruto as well, (he says be wary of naruto to kakuza and hidan before the shikamaru fight)
he beat a sick oro, who suigetsu and juugo even made a comment implying how they were shocked that sasuke was so weak and he could beat oro
he beat itachi who was extremely weaked before the fight
yes its impressive he beat 3 S-class ninja but he still isnt as powerful as the majority of the opponents he gets compared to

also naruto can easily be compared to AK and other S-class criminals as well, reread the kakuza fight
kakashi questions if naruto is more powerful than him
naruto is smarter in this fight and uses his clones wisely
after failing only once he comes up with a new plan that is ingenius to beat kakuza
he goes in by himself basically and takes out an S-class ninja that was giving kakashi a hard time

Youve said that he cant be compared to sasuke because of his genius and blood line but naruto has the freakin kyuubi u cant match his kind of power against anyone elses either

youve even said youself because of his "SPECIAL POWER" he has the potential to become an absolute powerhouse so even if people are dissapointed now they shouldnt be because naruto is in the perfect position to get to pain or madara's level in a short amount of time

[King_Lionheart]

Sorry you were he was being Saratic my bad.

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Originally Posted by Rurouni272000;2770612[/COLOR

Against Neji he looked like a joke until he stepped up.
Against Kiba he looked like a joke until he stepped up
Against Gaara he looked like a joke until he stepped up
Against Sasuke at valley of the end he looked like a joke until he stepped up.

Against Neji he looked like a Joke until he used kyuubi.
Against Kibe he looked like a joke until he farted, which in fact makes him look more like a joke then when he started the fight.
Against Sasuke he was a joke until he used kyuubi.
Against Kakuzu he was a joke until he got a second chance to use his technique, which he only got because of Kakshi and yamato.
He as a joke in front of his first enocunter with Sasuke after the Time skip.

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

^ You can't fairly compare Naruto to Sasuke, who has both an uber bloodline AND is a natural genius. I already said that. If you want to compare Naruto to Sasuke then you have to take into consideration Naruto's special ability, the Kyuubi, and with that power he is Sasuke's equal or better in combat (just not against Sasuke, but against anyone else).

Age and experience have a lot to do with it if you're talking about someone without a h4x bloodline or natural genius. Naruto is a 16 year old kid, as a ninja he should NOT be as good as the Akatsuki or Sasuke, who has both bloodline and genius under his belt. But if you compare Naruto to others in his age or experience or w/e group, he's pretty damn good because of his KBs and Rasengans. Compare him to any of the rookie 9, or even any of the other chuunin in the Leaf, and I gurantee you Naruto is right up there with them. Compare him to S-Rank criminals with years of experience in killing and Naruto seems lacking. No duh, are you honestly suprised?

You talk about this bloodline and narutal genius thing. But I really don't see what the bloodline has to do with it. Yes the uchiha is a strong clan but naruto's dad was a monster shinobi who could whoop them all. Does naruto not cary his blood? As for the sharingan thing, it think the kyuubi's power makes up for that. Naruto just act's like a tard and is in my oppinion just lazy to learn. while geniuses are just serious about there work. The only advantage I see a genius have is tactical mindset (something naruto lacks)

[KillahHitsu]

Looks like we got some sasuke fanboys in the house...well it will be even better when sasuke fanboys are laughing about naruto...cause in the end the one who will laugh about everyone is naruto...but back to chapter it was a nice chapter and im pretty interested in tobis version...also how could itachi say that he is a shell of his former self tobi is just owning damnit...

[Blackghost164]

just because naruto's dad was a genius doesnt mean naruto is as well
look at the 3rd and konohamaru, or the 3rd and asuma theyre nothing alike

also the sharingan is a godly tool for a shinobi to have because it slows down movements letting the user anticipate an attack before it happens
it sees through genjutsu
and it can copy any technique in seconds

all of these things are extremely helpful in battle, in training and in simply being a ninja
theyre is a reason someone as powerful as oro wanted the sharingan for himself
its because even he stood no chance against it

[Rurouni272000]

Just because Naruto's father was the 4th Hokage, it is not the same thing as having a superior bloodline. I'm talking Uchiha blood here people, as in Sharingan and elemental affinities.

You know what, just nvm. We've gone way off topic here I just realized and I don't want to have to defend this manga from the people that bitch and moan about Naruto being too weak or Sasuke being too strong anymore. So whatever, think what you will, because obviously you people are so hellbent on seeing Naruto as a shinobi god that you haven't even looked at whether it makes sense or not. Stay angry at the manga if you want.

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

Just because Naruto's father was the 4th Hokage, it is not the same thing as having a superior bloodline. I'm talking Uchiha blood here people, as in Sharingan and elemental affinities.

You know what, just nvm. We've gone way off topic here I just realized and I don't want to have to defend this manga from the people that bitch and moan about Naruto being too weak or Sasuke being too strong anymore. So whatever, think what you will, because obviously you people are so hellbent on seeing Naruto as a shinobi god that you haven't even looked at whether it makes sense or not. Stay angry at the manga if you want.

you are right, we've gone way off topic my apologies. To tell you the truth i really don't care who is stronger and what not. I just like to argue^^

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Originally Posted by Rurouni272000

^ You can't fairly compare Naruto to Sasuke, who has both an uber bloodline AND is a natural genius. I already said that. If you want to compare Naruto to Sasuke then you have to take into consideration Naruto's special ability, the Kyuubi, and with that power he is Sasuke's equal or better in combat (just not against Sasuke, but against anyone else).

Age and experience have a lot to do with it if you're talking about someone without a h4x bloodline or natural genius. Naruto is a 16 year old kid, as a ninja he should NOT be as good as the Akatsuki or Sasuke, who has both bloodline and genius under his belt. But if you compare Naruto to others in his age or experience or w/e group, he's pretty damn good because of his KBs and Rasengans. Compare him to any of the rookie 9, or even any of the other chuunin in the Leaf, and I gurantee you Naruto is right up there with them. Compare him to S-Rank criminals with years of experience in killing and Naruto seems lacking. No duh, are you honestly suprised?

Naruto with a full understanding of how to use the Kyuubi will be better than Sasuke period.

Naruto has never had a full mastery of the Kyuubi, but Sasuke on every occasion has always maxed out his cursed seal. Naruto has never been in such a state with his manipulation of the kyuubi's powers.

With the key to unlock that chakra and a more determined Naruto after he learns of Jiraiya's death and possibly his relation to the 4th hokage, Sasuke will simply be no match for him.

I suspect Madara does, in fact, tend to train Sasuke to be the true heir of the Uchiha bloodline. He probably intends for Sasuke to go on and make the Uchiha name the most feared and respected out there. He feels Sasuke is the right person for that task. That's my impression of what Madara has in store for Sasuke. He wants someone who he feels is best able to elevate the Uchiha bloodline to greatness beyond anything he himself has achieved.

[IonRom]

Do you think Yamato stay behind to rest or to put out the fire? He has water element jutsus.

[Rurouni272000]

Yamato is most likely staying behind to make sure the fissure stays open and is safe, as well as being a lookout. Water can't put out Amaterasu dude, the legend says it will burn for 7 days and 7 nights, or it will burn until everything is reduced to ash. Besides, its raining out. The only way to get rid of Amaterasu is to seal it or wait it out.

[bRaSuKa]

Isn't Yamato good at sealing shit?

[Rurouni272000]

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He's good at suppressing Naruto's Kyuubi power, if that's what you mean. And he's only good as that because he has the First Hokage's cells and Naruto was wearing that chakra crystal. There's no reason to think he could seal Amaterasu, especially not after its spread to an entire forest.

[Ramstein]

for sealing u need mastery in sealing jutsu like jiraiya..i dont think yamato will seal it ..he stayed back to stand guard and open the way using his doton or wood elemental...

[Arukas]

Sasuke looked pretty fuckin emo for a guy who just finally achieved his ultimate ambition.. The guy needs to cheer the fuck up already. =/

[symphonyofthenight]

lol
i seriously wonder what the heck is gonna happen to naruto.
Ill just stay tuned.
I dont see any way he can achieve sasughey or akatsuki lvl.
unless he uses his one hit wonder.
I seriously wanna see naruto good in overall aspects.
We'll see what happens.


oh, the chapter was good overall.

[SHADENINJA]

Can someone post the page with Sasuke's one sharingan, because I didn't see it and I don't want to download the chapter again

i would really appreciate it