Naruto Manga chapter 397 discussion.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

coldblooded hmm?
Naruto 397 page 17 | One Manga

that doesnt sound like a cold blooded person to me

Thats hearsay until he explains to me what he means.
All he is saying is"he did it to protect you blah blah blah"

Yet right from the horses mouth"I did it to measure my capacity" itachi when asked why he murdered the clan.

Im not closed to the idea that he infact was this supposed goodie twoshoes, but if he truely did destroy the clan, unless the clan were the evil uchihas, no amount of spinning will convince me that itachi did it for the good of the village.

If infact itachi did it, becusae he thought in some way shape or form doing that that would protect his brother, that still doesnt make him "Mr. Nice Guy" That simply makes him a confused mass murderer.

[nejix321]

So it's turns out Itachi was a pretty good guy in the end. I always though he was the super merciless, I killed my clan and torture my brother kind of villain. I think it's kind of cool that Itachi wasn't as bad as he seemed.

I just wonder does Sasuke also have Sussan'ou, because I think it's a summon not a Sharingan technique.

@Cain, maybe he did it too test his capacity so he could kill Madara one day.

[konohaavid]

HA WHAT! I knew Itachi was good. HA!

Cane: THERE is your proof

[redmonski]

Originally Posted by scoober

Has anyone thought, maybe sasuke was protected by Itachi for the eyes so that Tobi doesn't get sasuke's eyes?

you know they're fighting over eyes basically.

that could be possible, although Sasuke isn't the brother of Madara. Madara can still make good use of Sasuke's eyes. Look at how Kakashi has gained from using the sharingan even though he has no Uchiha blood. But then again, why did Madara never attempted to get Itachi's eyes?

[bbh2706]

Originally Posted by redmonski

that could be possible, although Sasuke isn't the brother of Madara. Madara can still make good use of Sasuke's eyes. Look at how Kakashi has gained from using the sharingan even though he has no Uchiha blood. But then again, why did Madara never attempted to get Itachi's eyes?

We haven't got the whole story yet - its possible that Madara did make a play for Itachi's eyes in the past.

[Darthdath]

Originally Posted by redmonski

that could be possible, although Sasuke isn't the brother of Madara. Madara can still make good use of Sasuke's eyes. Look at how Kakashi has gained from using the sharingan even though he has no Uchiha blood. But then again, why did Madara never attempted to get Itachi's eyes?

No point taking damaged eyes he was probably waiting for either Itachi or Sasuke to get the EMS before he took their eyes sasuke might have a MS for good but even if he does that doesn't mean he has an EMS.

Which makes you think was Itachi's story about Madara's brother true? Maybe his brother did the same thing for Madara Which could be why he only uses one eye maybe one is blind and the other has an EMS. I guess to pass on the MS you have to be dying which could be why Itachi wanted Sasuke to kill him.

[Phantastic91]

i think alot of people predicted itachi was good including me =]. i was joking with my friend a while back about itachi just training with sasuke and OMG it actually was training? HHAHA

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by konohaavid

HA WHAT! I knew Itachi was good. HA!

Cane: THERE is your proof

So since itachi can lie, madara cant?(by the way, wait until the actual evidence presents itself, before you start rejoicing)

You realize that if what madara says is true, then itachi lied, meaning we had reason to believe he wasnt lying.

But if itachi infact did lie....how are we to know that madara is not also lying?
Meaning he could be lying about itachi lying, which would add up to itachi technically telling the truth(about killing the clan), and madara is lying about itachi lying about killing the entire clan.

I'll wait till your head stops spinning.

[redmonski]

So Sasuke is being protected by his brother Itachi, just as Naruto is being protected by Konoha. Can it be? That Sasuke's body is a container also of something powerful like the demon fox inside of Naruto? Or maybe Sasuke has the potential to become a Bijuu himself, a 10-tailed bijuu maybe? Maybe Madara knew this, that's why he's more interested in Sasuke than Naruto.

[waqo]

I still don't get it some of you have spammed MS yourselves haven't you, so much so that you are blind to the facts of this story....

Itachi KILLED the uchiha clan

Madara HELPED him do it!

the Uchiha clan had CHILDREN in it, WOMEN and other INNOCENT people who didn't even possess sharingan, who weren't even proper shinobi for pete's sake.... no matter how you spin it there's no chance they were all in on some diabolical plot of madara's!!

Itachi constantly stated that he wanted to measure his capacity, and the clan fell short, he even told sasuke to come see him after he got MS then later explained to him that only through your brother's MS could you get EMS, so why does this not sink in? I'm not saying he didn't somehow plan to topple madara but as shodai hokage showed us madara isn't invincible nor do you need sharingan to defeat him, unfortunately itachi got that bit all wrong

Does that make itachi a good guy? are these not his actions? (one of you said that his words and actions are contradictory)

I reiterate, I love Itachi and i think everything he's done is badass so please dont flame me for being a hater, its just that a character has been setup in a particular way... i think its badass he was able to attack his adversary through his younger brother's eyes from beyond death.... he outthought an entity (madara) who has a century(ies?) of ninja experience at something that madara himself discovered.... those are the things to marvel about itachi.... he one shotted oro, sealed him away without even looking at him...

yes he was great but he was no care bear!

Edit: Another note to all the people on the St. Itachi bandwagon, a lot of you forget that itachi obtained MS, and unless the whole concept of gaining MS is now out the window it means he killed his best friend in COLD BLOOD, hmm interesting to all those who say that he hasn't killed anyone who wasn't evil, and even if your best friend does somehow turn evil (queue naruto) do you kill him? no you try to knock some sense into him.... and chase him like an idiot across the continent yelling his name out at infrequent intervals...

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by waqo

I still don't get it some of you have spammed MS yourselves haven't you, so much so that you are blind to the facts of this story....

Itachi KILLED the uchiha clan

Madara HELPED him do it!

the Uchiha clan had CHILDREN in it, WOMEN and other INNOCENT people who didn't even possess sharingan, who weren't even proper shinobi for pete's sake.... no matter how you spin it there's no chance they were all in on some diabolical plot of madara's!!

Itachi constantly stated that he wanted to measure his capacity, and the clan fell short, he even told sasuke to come see him after he got MS then later explained to him that only through your brother's MS could you get EMS, so why does this not sink in? I'm not saying he didn't somehow plan to topple madara but as shodai hokage showed us madara isn't invincible nor do you need sharingan to defeat him, unfortunately itachi got that bit all wrong

Does that make itachi a good guy? are these not his actions? (one of you said that his words and actions are contradictory)

I reiterate, I love Itachi and i think everything he's done is badass so please dont flame me for being a hater, its just that a character has been setup in a particular way... i think its badass he was able to attack his adversary through his younger brother's eyes from beyond death.... he outthought an entity (madara) who has a century(ies?) of ninja experience at something that madara himself discovered.... those are the things to marvel about itachi.... he one shotted oro, sealed him away without even looking at him...

yes he was great but he was no care bear!

maybe he saw that the sharingan is evill...u must know y i say that....and decided to make sure that all of them would die..protrcting the future of konoha,and he did let sasuke live...so we(sasuke with more potential) would kill the last cursed uchicha..madara

[Zelosviii]

killing best friends activates the ms. brothers can be best friends, too.

[Skywalker17]

sasuke's might snap... just lil bit more....

[LΞRΘY]

Originally Posted by Zelosviii

killing best friends activates the ms. brothers can be best friends, too.

susuke did not activate MS itachi gave him the techniques on his own

[waqo]

Originally Posted by Sdsky

maybe he saw that the sharingan is evill...u must know y i say that....and decided to make sure that all of them would die..protrcting the future of konoha,and he did let sasuke live...so we(sasuke with more potential) would kill the last cursed uchicha..madara

and who would kill sasuke who would then become the last cursed uchiha?

Edit:I still think that the main turning point for itachi was that last meeting with naruto, we all know naruto's strongest ability is to change people's way of thinking, ultimately naruto made itachi realise that he had been a useless brother upto then and that somehow kicked in when itachi lost both his eyes and instead of killing sasuke he gave him his blessing to try and take on madara.

[Lokiee]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

So since itachi can lie, madara cant?(by the way, wait until the actual evidence presents itself, before you start rejoicing)

You realize that if what madara says is true, then itachi lied, meaning we had reason to believe he wasnt lying.

But if itachi infact did lie....how are we to know that madara is not also lying?
Meaning he could be lying about itachi lying, which would add up to itachi technically telling the truth(about killing the clan), and madara is lying about itachi lying about killing the entire clan.

I'll wait till your head stops spinning.

THANK YOU
Somebody is lying

The Two stories does not add up. Madara is lying. Itachi didnt have any aparent reason to, but Madara does

[Blackghost164]

^ itachi not having a reason to lie?
it would blow his cover, he obviously thought that madara didnt know everything about him yet madara apparently does

he had to keep sasuke hating him so that he would come find him untill he had enough power to at least stand a chance

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Thats hearsay until he explains to me what he means.
All he is saying is"he did it to protect you blah blah blah"

Yet right from the horses mouth"I did it to measure my capacity" itachi when asked why he murdered the clan.

Im not closed to the idea that he infact was this supposed goodie twoshoes, but if he truely did destroy the clan, unless the clan were the evil uchihas, no amount of spinning will convince me that itachi did it for the good of the village.

If infact itachi did it, becusae he thought in some way shape or form doing that that would protect his brother, that still doesnt make him "Mr. Nice Guy" That simply makes him a confused mass murderer.

well madara does take extra time to assure sasuke that he isnt lying
Naruto 397 page 15 | One Manga

also i dont know y he killed his clan or to what extent he was involved but there has been a little evidence to suggest that the uchiha's were corrupt ive posted these pages before but he does say the clan is tainted
Naruto 386 page 13 | One Manga
Naruto 386 page 14 | One Manga

also he wants to be freed from his clans destiny

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

So since itachi can lie, madara cant?(by the way, wait until the actual evidence presents itself, before you start rejoicing)

You realize that if what madara says is true, then itachi lied, meaning we had reason to believe he wasnt lying.

But if itachi infact did lie....how are we to know that madara is not also lying?
Meaning he could be lying about itachi lying, which would add up to itachi technically telling the truth(about killing the clan), and madara is lying about itachi lying about killing the entire clan.
I'll wait till your head stops spinning.

while i find madara lying unlikely since like i said above kishi takes the time to for madara to assure sasuke and most likely the fans that he's not lying

but i do agree the evidence is not a 100% conclusive so there is no reason to gloat but the chances of itachi being good just skyrocketed

[OldSoul]

Not too pleased with Itachi turning out to actually be a good guy. The entire Uchiha story up to now, with Sasuke living as an avenger, now turns out to be an illusion. This is a literary technique almost as dirty as saying that the entire story was actually just a dream up until this point.

Even worse is the fact that Itachi can 'tranfser' his MS into Sasuke by 'tapping' his forehead, and magically it's done in such a way that the image of Uchiha Madara upon Sasuke's retinas automatically triggers an Amatarasu.

Tell me Kishi isn't just pulling shit out of his ass now just to make the series go longer...

[konohaavid]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

So since itachi can lie, madara cant?(by the way, wait until the actual evidence presents itself, before you start rejoicing)

You realize that if what madara says is true, then itachi lied, meaning we had reason to believe he wasnt lying.

But if itachi infact did lie....how are we to know that madara is not also lying?
Meaning he could be lying about itachi lying, which would add up to itachi technically telling the truth(about killing the clan), and madara is lying about itachi lying about killing the entire clan.

I'll wait till your head stops spinning.

Why... what purpose would that prove...
Your argument is pointless.

[remcqueen]

Originally Posted by OldSoul

Not too pleased with Itachi turning out to actually be a good guy. The entire Uchiha story up to now, with Sasuke living as an avenger, now turns out to be an illusion. This is a literary technique almost as dirty as saying that the entire story was actually just a dream up until this point.

Even worse is the fact that Itachi can 'tranfser' his MS into Sasuke by 'tapping' his forehead, and magically it's done in such a way that the image of Uchiha Madara upon Sasuke's retinas automatically triggers an Amatarasu.

Tell me Kishi isn't just pulling shit out of his ass now just to make the series go longer...

Everyone is looking over the obivous missing link here where was kisame when itachi was getting pwnd by madara if that's how he was injured before the fight with sasuke or was it kisame who turned on itachi on madara's orders just as itachi's sight would have given kisame an edge to soften him up enough to give sasuke the edge in the fight. what do u guys think about that?