Naruto Manga chapter 397 discussion.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by scoober

Itachi is a chronic liar!

Itachi was lying to Sasuke. Not everything. Itachi is lying about something and Madara is telling truth




When revisiting the older chapters, Itachi kept on talkin about reality is only perception and don't judget things on based on what you see.

He's also bipolar which is freakin weird. btw it was never confirmed that he killed shushui, he was the prime suspect. But no one knew about Madara back then. Itachi knew...

nice page, if people look back at a few key chapters itachi being good isnt that hard to grasp

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Answer me this, can you honestly tell me what purpose itachi lying about killing his clan would serve?

also in the last post i provided a little proof that the entire clan might have been "tainted" according to itachi

another possibility is that he chose the lesser of two evils either madara destroys konoha or itachi is forced to kill his entire family

-this of course is all speculation at this point but there is some hints that itachi's actions had a larger, greater purpose in mind

[The J-man]

So Itachi gave Sasuke his MS? I guess all that is left is for Sasuke to take Kyuubi. This chapter did nothing for me. Rather pathetic that Madara didn't show his face. Still Itachi's greatness was shown. He transferred his eye techniques to Sasuke with a poke in the forehead. Now that's badass. So I guess this means Sasuke has Eternal MS since he got it from Itachi after all?

[Evil Sannin]

Mangekyou I would say yes...Eternal Mangekyou I don't think he has. We'll just have to see how he puts those techniques to work here sometime in the future since it's all new to him...and yes this chapter was a waste...there was not point in showing or pretending that Madara would remove the mask when 2 panels later he put it right back on...the dumbest part of the last 2 chapters for me

[konohaavid]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

Answer me this, can you honestly tell me what purpose itachi lying about killing his clan would serve?

Somebody is lying, either its madara or itachi.
So until the next chapter, we dont know anything for certian.

I dont assert somthing to be true, unless there is valid reasoning behind it.
At this point, the advocators for itachi's benvolance are required to wait two weeks, before they get their possible proof.

Becuase at the moment, there is more evidence againts, than for it.
Going around making baseless claims then rejoicing when you happen to be right may seem all well and good above the layers, but its actually just stupid.

Rejoice when you are right becuase you have had reason to be right.
Which you may recieve, next chapter.

Really? The only 'evidence' that there is for it is Itachi saying all the stuff he said, measure my capacity and so on and so forth, but that could easily be explained. Like in my little fan fiction a couple of months ago which has so far been about 95% accurate to what we've just recently seen and heard. Itachi couldn't beat Madara alone so once Madara had killed Itachi's parents, on the spot Itachi decided to tell a lie to Sasuke in order to accelerate his growth and become someone with a chance of beating Madara. The death of his parents was done by Madara but genjutsued in Sasuke's brain.

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

also in the last post i provided a little proof that the entire clan might have been "tainted" according to itachi

another possibility is that he chose the lesser of two evils either madara destroys konoha or itachi is forced to kill his entire family

-this of course is all speculation at this point but there is some hints that itachi's actions had a larger, greater purpose in mind

How did you go from proof, to speculation?

its either one or the other, which is it?

You cant say"I provided a little proof last post" and then end saying"ofcourse this is all speculation."

I could careless if itachi was good or evil, merely kishimoto needs to explain to me how he was good, wrather than evil.

[Renzo]

bullshit fucking chapter

he implanted his shit into you.... supapowaful

fuck this

kakashi better give naruto a handjob and implant all his powers into him

because thats how bullshit the last chapter was

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by konohaavid

Really? The only 'evidence' that there is for it is Itachi saying all the stuff he said, measure my capacity and so on and so forth, but that could easily be explained. Like in my little fan fiction a couple of months ago which has so far been about 95% accurate to what we've just recently seen and heard. Itachi couldn't beat Madara alone so once Madara had killed Itachi's parents, on the spot Itachi decided to tell a lie to Sasuke in order to accelerate his growth and become someone with a chance of beating Madara. The death of his parents was done by Madara but genjutsued in Sasuke's brain.

Well how could Itachi have got the mangekyou without killing his best friend? Also that fight where he fought off a few guys from the police force he looked pretty serious then.

If kishi says he's good then you've got to accept it but I'm hoping theres a satisfactory explanation as opposed to some lame explanation which is really inconsistent with what we've seen so far in the series.

[Why not]

I really hate waiting. I mean the next chapter comes out in 2 weeks and I´m sure that Kishimoto won´t explain the whole Itachi story soon. I guess that he´ll begin to tell the story but then he´ll change the scenes to Konoha or Kisame vs. Suigetsu.

@Chapter: Do you think that Madara will tell Sasuke the whole truth about Itachi? I think that he´s trying to manipulate him.

[Ramstein]

Kishimoto needs to do a lot of explaning.The chapter was lame had big hopes for it but turned out pathetic...People need to stop giving gifts to Sasuke.

[konohaavid]

Originally Posted by NarutoSamaman

Well how could Itachi have got the mangekyou without killing his best friend? Also that fight where he fought off a few guys from the police force he looked pretty serious then.

If kishi says he's good then you've got to accept it but I'm hoping theres a satisfactory explanation as opposed to some lame explanation which is really inconsistent with what we've seen so far in the series.

The same loophole way Kakashi got it. Or maybe Shisui found out that Madara had returned and since he knew what a genius Itachi was he sacrificed himself to give Itachi Mangekyou. SO many possibilities.

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by Why not

I really hate waiting. I mean the next chapter comes out in 2 weeks and I´m sure that Kishimoto won´t explain the whole Itachi story soon. I guess that he´ll begin to tell the story but then he´ll change the scenes to Konoha or Kisame vs. Suigetsu.

@Chapter: Do you think that Madara will tell Sasuke the whole truth about Itachi? I think that he´s trying to manipulate him.

i wanna know alot about itachi.still i wana see naruto

[Torri]

Can I just say WTH so did not see this coming. Itach? wow

[NarutoSamaman]

Originally Posted by konohaavid

The same loophole way Kakashi got it. Or maybe Shisui found out that Madara had returned and since he knew what a genius Itachi was he sacrificed himself to give Itachi Mangekyou. SO many possibilities.

Well Kakashi's mangekyou is very different suggesting that the way it is received plays a part.

Well if Madara had returned surely there were better ways(ie: inform the 3rd Hokage). Worst case scenario the hokage could have used his ultimate sealing jutsu and that'd be the end of Madara. Madara is good but it's debatable he'd be able to beat all the Uchihas, Itachi, 3rd, and whatever other Jounins were around(Jiraiya if he was in the village at that time).

I'm not disagreeing that he's good since if the author of the manga says he is then you've got to believe it but it's just hard to swallow after what we've seen. I mean getting Sasuke to go emo and put him through all that pain/suffering all these years there surely had to be better ways of getting him to become stronger(heck if Itachi had explained to him the real story he may have tried to cheat to get the Mangekyou).

Just saying hopefully Kishi can explain this, and give a sufficient explanation behind why Itachi is good. Also makes me wonder why Madara is revealing this- I'm sure there's no way in hell Sasuke is going to work with Madara to achieve his goals.

[San Gohan]

What the fuck is going on lol? The hell is kishi pulling shit out of his ass for? Things we deemed impossible for 396 chapters ALL become possible in one chapter. I mean look at this

[Quagz]

I can't wait till theres the big twist


Super eternal Mange-sharingan!

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by _Metsuke_

You make my point for me. I placed the word 'saving' in quotes to indicate that I was not using the normal definition of the term. Read in the context of the rest of my post, my point was to analogize Itachi's actions of discriminate genocide (the Uchiha clan) to Hitler's actions (Jews, et. al.). THe point was, from one point of view, likely the Germans of the time, Hitler was 'saving' the world. (Please note the quotation marks to distinguish my selective use of the word). In the same manner, Itachi may have similarly 'saved' the shinobi world.

At the end of the day, my point stands. Using abhorrent means to effectuate your own goal does not make you good - just because you think what you're doing is 'right'. (again - quotes)

Thank you!!!! Thats what I have been trying to say all along. If I could give you a billion rep points I would...

[Why not]

I won´t say that Itachi is good or evil. In my opinion he´s neither good or evil because he did something good and bad at the same time. I think it´s a philosophical question. I mean he killed some people in order to rescue the whole Shinobi world. If you compare that you´ll see that he offer much less human lives in order to save more human lives.

I´d like to compare Itachis actions with something which could happen in the real world.

Terrorist capture a plane and they want to fly into a building or a big city. What WOULD you do in that situation? Shot down the plane and kill people in order to safe more people on the ground? Or would you let the plane fly into the city or building.

[Chosen-1]

Originally Posted by Dussan

But Sasuke isn't stronger then Itachi.

Last fight Itachi was half dead and he still barely won.

While I don't hate Itachi anymore this doesnt' change that Sasuke was essentially weaker then Itachi and had he been serious Sasuke would be dead.

But don't forget:
Sasuke didn't have the Mangeykou Sharingan.
This was the gap between their power.

Now he has the MS..Itachis MS...He is now stronger than Itachi...and don't forget Kirin..Amaterasu + Kirin anyone?

[San Goku]

Originally Posted by Renzo

bullshit fucking chapter

he implanted his shit into you.... supapowaful

fuck this

kakashi better give naruto a handjob and implant all his powers into him

because thats how bullshit the last chapter was

If you go back two chapters, you see Itachi's blood go in Sasuke's eyes. Hell thats the least Itachi could do if its permanent. I mean, his little brother came this far and surpassed him. Even if me and my brother were enemies and I was on the verge of dying, hell why not, give it to him. Lets face it though, why would Kishimoto take away Sasuke's CS and Oro powers and leave him with nothing, he has to gain more and more win, just accept it

[IonRom]

I agree with Cane that Madara lies to Sasuke.
Why you ask?
Here is my hypothesis:
Madara wants to restore the Sharingan power. He already has EMS, a weaken version but the method to restauring his power has high risks (possbily). So he needs a guinea pig with the EMS. That' s he waited for such a long time, selected and trained Itachi. He Had him perfom a test to prove his "capacity": kill the rest of the clan. Itachi realizes at some point the plan that Madara has for him, wants to gain EMS to kill Madara but he dies of his injuries so divises a plan: he knows that Sasuke strongest bond is with him so
Sasuke will get MS that why he will implant his tehniques (Amaratsu possibly the others)
to activate on seeing Madara. Madara escapes realizes Itachi' s plan and comes with a new plan: he will tell a half truth story to Sasuke, demoralizing him, tell some other stories about the clan and Leaf Village so that Sasuke will join him. He will train and give Itachi' s eyes so that he can test his method of gaining back his power.