Naruto Manga chapter 397 discussion.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Cane_The9lives

How did you go from proof, to speculation?

its either one or the other, which is it?

You cant say"I provided a little proof last post" and then end saying"ofcourse this is all speculation."

I could careless if itachi was good or evil, merely kishimoto needs to explain to me how he was good, wrather than evil.

i said i provided some proof that the clan might have been corrupt
proof is just evidence

-the speculation is because it hasnt been said yet so all i can do is speculate as to the true purpose behind the uchiha massacre

and did u really just waste an entire post to critique my english????

[Windrasengan]

Sasuke = God right now.

Sakura = Second God.

Naruto = Rubbish (4 Techniques he is good at)

Is this Manga called Naruto or Sasuke????

[Victory21]

Originally Posted by Windrasengan

Sasuke = God right now.

Sakura = Second God.

Naruto = Rubbish (4 Techniques he is good at)

Is this Manga called Naruto or Sasuke????

its actually 6 techniques so far. which is kinda surprising. i find it boring that he's always using the same techniques over and over again. but what can i say
he's pretty good at using those few techniques. they say progress is a slow process, but that only goes for naruto.

so for now i'm just gonna chill out and watch what's gonna happen in a few chapters to come. i'm gonna stay calm and let kishi work his magic. which could take a while . although this shit is ridiculous, its kinda funny.

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by Windrasengan

Sasuke = God right now.

Sakura = Second God.

Naruto = Rubbish (4 Techniques he is good at)

Is this Manga called Naruto or Sasuke????

i used to think that naruto was weak but i realized that naruto has never gotten a chance to show us his power
against oro he lost control
sasuke he was out of chakra and injured
kakuza he was tired from training and determined to just use his new technique

also he has a huge power up headed his way so there is no reason to be upset about his growth

[crook]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

That actually makes sense. WOW. It makes a lot of sense. Itachi and Madara were battling over Sasuke. Madara wanted to destroy konoha and the shinobi world with Sasuke/Sasuke's eyes. Itachi was trying to stop Madara by getting Sasuke's eyes and using the EMS to take out Madara.

Though it seems unlikely that seems somewhat correct i believe madara saw more potential in sasuke and wanted to train him thats when itachi learned that madara was not to be trusted

[San Goku]

Anyone get the same feeling that Kishimoto brought back the Epicness to Ulchiha Itachi with that ending statement in this chapter?

[Blackghost164]

Originally Posted by crook

Though it seems unlikely that seems somewhat correct i believe madara saw more potential in sasuke and wanted to train him thats when itachi learned that madara was not to be trusted

i think one of itachi's incentives for following madara was that sasuke was allowed to live as his "spare" set of eyes

madara wouldnt have noticed sasuke's potential untill after he awakened the sharingan, plus itachi wanted to protect sasuke

[Gathan]

Originally Posted by San Goku

Anyone get the same feeling that Kishimoto brought back the Epicness to Ulchiha Itachi with that ending statement in this chapter?

It's going to be really hard for Itachi to recover from this Naruto 386 page 12 | One Manga
With that single picture Itachi changed from a calm, cool, epic character to a crazed manic.

[Dussan]

Originally Posted by Chosen-1

But don't forget:
Sasuke didn't have the Mangeykou Sharingan.
This was the gap between their power.

Now he has the MS..Itachis MS...He is now stronger than Itachi...and don't forget Kirin..Amaterasu + Kirin anyone?

I think that is what my biggest problem is with some Sasuke fans. they cna't understand that it's not Mangekyou Sharingan that made Itachi a fucking beast.

Dude, Kirin is a bullshit jutsu. Get that shit through your brain.

It's bullshit cause you have to set it up and during that time ndyone that could move at any kind of speed would be able to step in and stop him.

Now if Kirin had the destructive blast radius as C2 or Chakra Compression Blast then it would be something to fear. But it's a pinpoint strike against a single target that you have to setup storm clouds for and shit. It's bullshit and I'm frankly surprised that Itachi got nailed with it.

Naruto's FRS is more practical. Chidori is more practical.

Again, sasuke is weaker then Itachi. If Itachi wasnt already half dead and serious he would have won. You cant dispute that.

Mangekyou Sharingan wasn't the gap in there power. As Itachi used that only sparingly. It was that Itachi was faster, throwing out seals that was beyond anyones speed. He was stronmger, methodical in his destruction of his opponetns. Itachi had Sasuke beat. But Kishi nerfed him in that fight with him being half dead. Also Zetsu CLEARLY stated that Itachi was weaker and did not move the way he should have.

The gap in their power was not some gay ass sharingan powerup. IT was that without it he was a fucking beast.

[Afro_Sannin]

Originally Posted by Windrasengan

Sasuke = God right now.

Sakura = Second God.

Naruto = Rubbish (4 Techniques he is good at)

Is this Manga called Naruto or Sasuke????

Sakura second God...lol thats the fnniest thing i've heard in years...

lol if kishi didnt give her tsunade's strength as a powerup and then let her and chio seemingly defeat sasori then she's still be as useless as she was in the first half of the series. Tell you the truth the only thing that i'm impressed with abou her is her growth in mediacl ninjutsu.

lol Sakura a GOd lol

[Dussan]

One major problem I am having with this arc is this.

Itachi was helping Sasuke, why is the person that Itachi wanted to protect Sasuke from the one telling him all of this?

Itachi should have left something behind for Sasuke to understand what he was doing.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by Blackghost164

i agree completely, unfortunatly alot of people have a tough time believing that itachi was actually good so id rather wait untill the evidence is irrefutable to make absolute claims since it will just bring about circular arguments that will solve nothing

I love how you say people have a tough time seeing Itachi as good. Gee I wonder why? Maybe because he killed his family for shits n giggles? And then admitted to it twice! Or maybe because he put his lil brother through hell? Yeah I guess its just way too far-fetched to perceive Itachi as a villain...

[Why not]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

I love how you say people have a tough time seeing Itachi as good. Gee I wonder why? Maybe because he killed his family for shits n giggles? And then admitted to it twice! Or maybe because he put his lil brother through hell? Yeah I guess its just way too far-fetched to perceive Itachi as a villain...

I don´t think that Itachi was evil or good because his actions were bad but his intentions were good. I mean he offered human lives in order to save the WHOLE Shinobi world. I think that everyone has a different view because it´s a philosophical question if Itachi was good or evil. I would say that Itachi was "grey". Something between goog and evil because in my opinion offering the live of 20 humans in order to safe 1000 or more can´t be considered as evil.

I´d like to compare Itachis actions with something which could happen in the real world.

Terrorist capture a plane and they want to fly into a building or a big city. What WOULD you do in that situation? Shot down the plane and kill people in order to safe more people on the ground? Or would you let the plane fly into the city or building.

[Ramstein]

Originally Posted by Dussan

One major problem I am having with this arc is this.

Itachi was helping Sasuke, why is the person that Itachi wanted to protect Sasuke from the one telling him all of this?

Itachi should have left something behind for Sasuke to understand what he was doing.

May be he has some shit planned out for sasuke..Might be coming clean in order to conveniently use sasuke(trying to build trust as such) otherwise he is just breaking into his mind..remember madara must have a superior convincing
power he convinced 9(not counting Itachi) losers to form an organization and do his bidding...

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by Why not

I don´t think that Itachi was evil or good because his actions were bad but his intentions were good. I mean he offered human lives in order to save the WHOLE Shinobi world. I think that everyone has a different view because it´s a philosophical question if Itachi was good or evil. I would say that Itachi was "grey". Something between goog and evil because in my opinion offering the live of 20 humans in order to safe 1000 or more can´t be considered as evil.

I´d like to compare Itachis actions with something which could happen in the real world.

Terrorist capture a plane and they want to fly into a building or a big city. What WOULD you do in that situation? Shot down the plane and kill people in order to safe more people on the ground? Or would you let the plane fly into the city or building.

Up until recently, we had no idea Itachi "saved the shinobi world". There has been no reason or evidence that suggest Itachi was saving the world other than Madara simply saying so at the end of this chapter..

[Why not]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

Up until recently, we had no idea Itachi "saved the shinobi world". There has been no reason or evidence that suggest Itachi was saving the world other than Madara simply saying so at the end of this chapter..

There is a evidence that Itachi was trying to safe the Shinobi world. Itachi said that by himself.

Naruto 386 page 11 | One Manga

He said that he wanted to surpass Madara. So he planned to gain EMS in order to kill Madara and saving the Shinobi world.

[emarter]

Hmmm... I've read a lot of posts where people say that Itachi transferring all of his eye jutsu with a single tap is ridiculous. I disagree.

I think that it's actually quite plausable. No one's really done it before, so what do we have to compare it to? Plus, the Uchiha clan is so power-hungry anyway, why would anyone ever want to give their techniques away. Maybe once Itachi thought of giving his techniques to Sasuke, he found out just how simple it would be.

[Victory21]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

I love how you say people have a tough time seeing Itachi as good. Gee I wonder why? Maybe because he killed his family for shits n giggles? And then admitted to it twice! Or maybe because he put his lil brother through hell? Yeah I guess its just way too far-fetched to perceive Itachi as a villain...

This is exactly the reason why i'm staying neutral on this one. from my stand point i thought itachi was an evil little bastard. who's only reason to kill off his whole clan was to test his capacity. now kishi is gonna come tell us, he did some extreme shit to "protect". he could have done alot of protecting by informing the village about madara. i dunno know about you guys, but i would prefer itachi to be a no good bastard. but kishi ruined it for me, the moment he revealed itachi to be a psycho. that's why i'm staying neutral, so do whatever kishi, what's done is done.

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by Afro_Sannin

Sakura second God...lol thats the fnniest thing i've heard in years...

lol if kishi didnt give her tsunade's strength as a powerup and then let her and chio seemingly defeat sasori then she's still be as useless as she was in the first half of the series. Tell you the truth the only thing that i'm impressed with abou her is her growth in mediacl ninjutsu.

lol Sakura a GOd lol

I agree wtf is that dude posting..

yes, arguably.. Sasuke right now is the single deadliest Konoha shinobi because of what ITachi did

but to say Sakura is behind him..? oh hell no

Sakura is there so Sasuke can her and make new Uchihas

[Poncho Sama]

I agree Sakura hasn't done anything since she beat Sasori.