Naruto Manga chapter 397 discussion.

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by Dussan

But Kakashi did kill his best friend.

He left him to die, and it was Kakashi's doubt, and stickling for the rules that caused Obito and he to be placed in that unfortunate tactical situation.

I bet that is how Kakashi feels.

So it could be argued that he killed his best friend. At least a lot more convincingly then the idea that Kakashi killed his worst enemy or that he even had a enemy that he hated that much.

I don't think is has much to do with feeling bad about obito.
Why activate his mangekyou sharingan so late? Obito died when kakashi was 13 years old if i'm not mistaken. kakashi then had a 2 tomoe sharingan which he developed to three. I doubt that he started feeling bad about obito between part one and two. Why did it not activate earlier?

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by YondaimeSamaKun

Has anyone noticed........why is Itachi's forehead protecter missing the scratch through the leaf symbol on the last page?,.......Is this to actually prove that Itachi was indeed good, because from what i could remember all the other frame shots with itachi in it showed the FHP with a scratch running across it.....actually all the members of akatsuki for that matter....

Is Madara's sharingan (the original MS) able to awaken other users sharingan just by looking at it?, from what I have noticed 2 sharingan user's at the site of madaras....have had their sharingan what appears to be forcefully activated.....
Naruto 395 page 17 | One Manga
here Kakashi clearly shows an exclamation point (which is a symbol of surprise) in the frame before we see his sharingan all wide and crazy lookin...
and the same thing happened to sasuke, where they admited that the sight of his sharingan activated it.....

I doubt that when madara looks at a sharingan user. there sharingan activates. I think kakashi was just surprised to see someone with a sharingan other than itachi or sasuke.
If you read chapter 397 again, notice how madara says that itachi surprised him, that at the sight of his sharingan amaterasu would activate. Meaning, he didn't know that this could be done, or he didn't expect it. Which also means, that madara looking at a sharingan user, does not activate there sharingan or even there mangekyou sharingan. It was itachi's play all the way.
To further the point, notice how it was the mangekyou sharingan that activated, yet it kakashi case this did not happen.

Another thing, sasuke now has itachi's eyes techniques and to use those he has to use itachi's mangekyou sharingan. If sasuke now awakes his own mangekyou sharingan, would that mean he has EMS or would he still need itachi's eyes for that? or would it mean he has mangekyou sharingan with 7 techniques?

[Victory21]

Originally Posted by scandalous

I don't think is has much to do with feeling bad about obito.
Why activate his mangekyou sharingan so late? Obito died when kakashi was 13 years old if i'm not mistaken. kakashi then had a 2 tomoe sharingan which he developed to three. I doubt that he started feeling bad about obito between part one and two. Why did it not activate earlier?

The same shit could be said about sasuke. besides, i don't think that one would just up and activate the MS. i think there is a desire factor involved. plus you might need to be at the right stage for it. if itachi said that by killing your best friend you would be able to activate the MS. then one could also interpret that as severing an important bond with someone. whether it be a bond of hatred or love.

there is also the fact that kakashi might not have had any previous knowledge of the MS. so why would he even try to activate something he didn't know about. what Dusaan is saying is that. kakashi didn't have to physically kill obito. but his state of mind could have been a main factor in kakashi activating the MS.

[scandalous]

Originally Posted by xclip

The same shit could be said about sasuke. besides, i don't think that one would just up and activate the MS. i think there is a desire factor involved. plus you might need to be at the right stage for it. if itachi said that by killing your best friend you would be able to activate the MS. then one could also interpret that as severing an important bond with someone. whether it be a bond of hatred or love.

there is also the fact that kakashi might not have had any previous knowledge of the MS. so why would he even try to activate something he didn't know about. what Dusaan is saying is that. kakashi didn't have to physically kill obito. but his state of mind could have been a main factor in kakashi activating the MS.

I see, thanks for clearing that up.

[Sheuh]

Sasuke is like the strongest guy. Hes got Sasuno or something or w/e the Sword that killed orochimaru. did it kill orochimaru? or did it just take him out?

[SHADENINJA]

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I don't think Sasuke has a complete MS, so i doubt he has Susanoo

[Sdsky]

Originally Posted by ShadeNinja

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I don't think Sasuke has a complete MS, so i doubt he has Susanoo

well,madara said "all his eyes jutsu"

[dpt101]

Originally Posted by xclip

The same shit could be said about sasuke. besides, i don't think that one would just up and activate the MS. i think there is a desire factor involved. plus you might need to be at the right stage for it. if itachi said that by killing your best friend you would be able to activate the MS. then one could also interpret that as severing an important bond with someone. whether it be a bond of hatred or love.

there is also the fact that kakashi might not have had any previous knowledge of the MS. so why would he even try to activate something he didn't know about. what Dusaan is saying is that. kakashi didn't have to physically kill obito. but his state of mind could have been a main factor in kakashi activating the MS.

I understand the idea that Kakashi's guilt over Obito's death, whether he was actually responsible or not, is what allowed him to gain the MS. The problem I have with that theory is Kakashi not developing the MS for another decade after the fact. We know he felt guilty from the very moment Obito died, so why would the MS not appear for such a long time? It simply doesn't add up for me.

[Uchihaeyez]

Originally Posted by ShadeNinja

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I don't think Sasuke has a complete MS, so i doubt he has Susanoo

How can you say that when Madara even said Itachi passed down all his Eye jutsus.

Just because one eye has been shown to activate?

I'm of the opinion that the only reaosn one eye had MS was because of the trigger Itach installed in him.

If he had been trying to utilize his MS he would've turned both.

Theres nothing that even remotely points out to his MS being incomplete.

[bRaSuKa]

Err..if Itachi gave Sasuke Susanoo then why not implant it as the activation jutsu for when Sasuke sees Tobi's sharingan instead of amaretsu?

[SephirothFire]

Originally Posted by bRaSuKa

Err..if Itachi gave Sasuke Susanoo then why not implant it as the activation jutsu for when Sasuke sees Tobi's sharingan instead of amaretsu?

It's probably hard to use (How do you direct a godlike creature to do your bidding?) and comes at some cost to the user...

Plus, Amaterasu should've and would've done the trick (like Madara said, it should've killed him) at least long enough for Sasuke to make an escape, which it would've, Madara was doing some kind of technique in the dark for like 2 pages before he could get up again. Sasuke should've made a run for it.

[konohaavid]

Do you think Sasuke's eyes is the permanent Mangekyou because he basically got it from his brother?

[waqo]

Originally Posted by konohaavid

Do you think Sasuke's eyes is the permanent Mangekyou because he basically got it from his brother?

I dont think its permanent, plus Madara even uses the word planted amaterasu,

I think tobi is such a mindfuck and kishi couldn't have found a better time to peep into the women's bathhouse, i mean do some research...

oh well at least we have canon shippuuden this week...

[Cane_The9lives]

I dont see what all the fuss is about, if you can implant the sharingan in someone who doesnt even have uchiha blood, then i can easily see MS or atleast some form of it transplanted due to a jutsu, and blood transfer.

So to all the ones bitching about it, get over it.

[SEXYTIME]

Sasuke only has ms in one eye right now because his chakra is so low.

[FxFree]

Originally Posted by Azn

u got a prob with itachi?

I thought my *sigh* would have made it clear enough, but yeh I got problems with flashbacks in this story (and they go about Itachi now..). Its just very obvious the writer has to come up with new stuff. And yes, I HAD a problem with Itachi and now hes dead, gg. Problem SOLVED.

Btw just like the theory goes: you have to kill your closest friend to obtain MS. Woops did sasuke just..
Hatred and love are very close to each other. Thats probly why Madara said planted.

[Gathan]

Originally Posted by konohaavid

Do you think Sasuke's eyes is the permanent Mangekyou because he basically got it from his brother?

Knowing Kishi he probably has thought up some way for his beloved Sasuke to gain the MS techniques without having it degrade his eyesight, and this Itachi passing his eye techniques to his brother is it.

[Righteous Judgment]

The more i think about it, the more it becomes apparent that this chapter is like a fan fic.

















and a bad one at that.


I mean really itachi poking sasuke in the head one more time for old tmis sake? That(+ blood) gives sasuke the MS? jeez.

[dpt101]

I think some of you need to take a step back and realize you're arguing over what is feasible, reasonable, or believable in a story about a ninja world where people have all sorts of magical powers and gigantic demons are trapped inside little boys. If you're okay with the very premise of the manga, I don't see how the more recent developments can seem so implausible to you.

[Righteous Judgment]

Originally Posted by dpt101

I think some of you need to take a step back and realize you're arguing over what is feasible, reasonable, or believable in a story about a ninja world where people have all sorts of magical powers and gigantic demons are trapped inside little boys. If you're okay with the very premise of the manga, I don't see how the more recent developments can seem so implausible to you.

I am not talking about feasibility, i am talking about quality but now that you mention it the event of this chapter and arc all together were pretty unfeasible. Forget about the absurdity of itachi being good, or giving sasuke a programed MS via blood. WTF was up with Tobi? It's like all that needs to happen now is to have tobi meet with pain and bang the event in my sig will play out lol.