Naruto Manga chapter 397 discussion.

[Lycobre]

watching these events unfold. and sasuke looking like he's in a state of regret. i just remembered, a line from the godfather " don't hate your enemies, beacuse you'll make bad judgements". i guess sasuke did make a bad judgement, since he didn't know as much as he thought he did.

[Mika-kun]

Well I guess I gotta apologize for saying somethings concerning Itachi's motives.

I spoke to soon I guess and thought he was a straight out bad guy but I guess I was wrong?

Sasuke recieving ms techniques and the (eye???) W000000000T I liked this chapter hehehe well I'm happy we get to know more about Itachi, maybe it'll make me less ignorant then I was O_O.

Good Chapter.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by scoober

Hey itachi is good IF he killed an evil clan.

OR

He didn't kill the entire clan.

The Itachi is good theory holds water because
1. Tobi said he was good and
2. Itachi could be lying about saying that he killed the entire clan and
3.sasuke is not a credible witness.
4. Itachi haven't killed a single konoha ninja since that NIGHT

Those are valid evidence

Okay let me remind yout hat Tobi is the number 1 ENEMY of this Manga. This man is responsible for:

- Killing the 4th..
- Killing the Uchiha Clan
- Attempting to Kill the 1st hokage
- Creating a dangerous terrorist organization..

Okay now with those FACTS stated, why should anyone trust this jackass now?

I am not even going to address the Itachi is lying comment, it sounds more like your just denying what has been stated. It kinda reminds me back when oro said how Itachi is stronger than him and half of the fans on this website cried foul and said Oro was lying.. lol Itachi admitted twice to killing the clan...

Sasuke is a credible witness when the murderur spares his life, oh and then tells him at the murder scene what he did.

And just because Itachi hasnt' killed a single konoha nin that night doesnt mean a damn thing.

You know Sasori hadn't kill a single Sand Nin since he left the village. If you recall he even stated.. " I am never coming back here again". And last time I checked Sasori was a big ole ass himself..

You know if you good guy theorist think Itachi had some good intentions fine, but let's not paint him out to be some innocent angel, because he is not...

[m2dab]

Originally Posted by IDre

So Kakashi's MS tech, it is possible it is what was used by Tobi to avoid or stop Ameratsu, anyone else see this. I dont see why kakashi would be the only MS user to be able to do this.

thats an awesome theory but it will bring back the obito theorists so theyll be like

"omg they can use the same MS technique because theyre eyes are from the same person!"

lol it would be kinda funny if tobi was obito after all this

PLEASE TAKE OFF YOUR MASK TOBI!

[phoenix1]

Also, even if madara is lying, who the hell is gonna go up to sasuke and disprove him :/

Pain? Zetsu? Uchiha "I survived that night"?

Come two weeks from now, Im gonna quote you over and over again Sasori XD I cant wait!

[MasterTragedy]

Itachi's trap was pure genius. Booby trapping it to release an instant kill technique the second it saw an eyeball. Incredible, he probably gave Sasuke the chakra to perform the technique as well against his will. If it had been anyone else, theyd be fucked.

And Madara jumped into the darkness to swap out his automail real quick. He's modest about people seeing him exposed if his face is any indication. (JK)

And fuck Madara, Nagatos gonna be the final villain.

[m2dab]

no-one can ever lie in a manga simply because anything would get to complicated and no1 would like it, it has to be more complicated that just a lie e.g decpetion of some sort

because think about it. anything could be a lie

4th is dead- lie
3rd is dead- lie
oro is dead- lie
itachi is dead- lie

if lies could be used so easily the manga would suck.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by dpt101

According to Madara, it was for the better. I don't see any reason for Madara to lie in such a way as to improve Itachi's image. We don't know everything that went down prior to the Uchiha massacre. We know what Itachi told Sasuke. Unfortunately, according to Madara, Itachi was lying to Sasuke. Or at least withholding a great deal of truth.

As I just said, there's a lot more blanks to be filled in now, explaining why Itachi killed the entire Uchiha clan. Was it just to get in Madara's inner circle so he could more aptly protect Sasuke down the line? Was Madara already known to and influencing the clan, something Itachi knew would come back to harm both he and Sasuke?

Just as most people quit believing Itachi could be good when new evidence supported the fact that he was a d-bagger, people will start believing Itachi could be good when new evidence supports it. A, or one of the, main villain just stated to Sasuke that Itachi was not acting out of a desire to test his strength, but rather to protect the world, his village, and his brother. I'm among the crowd who believes Madara probably knows more about the situation than you or I. Therefore, Itachi was good. For the time being.

I will give you that. All I am trying to say is, yes it is possible that Itachi may have good intentions, but his methods were definitely extreme and hardcore. A person can have a good goal, but if they have some sort sick twisted demented way of attaining that goal, they will take huge risk.

If Itachi met Madara as a child and was afraid of him, one would expect Itachi to report throughout Konoha that he is back, instead of keeping it a secret. If Itachi killed his clan just so he can be closer to Madara in his inner circle, then that makes him a spineless coward, because I doubt Itachi loved watching or even helping in killing off his clan, yet alone his own parents. As i said in a previous post, if that is what happened, then Itachi is worst than Sasuke..

No matter what his intentions were, he was an asshole about it by far.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by phoenix1

Also, even if madara is lying, who the hell is gonna go up to sasuke and disprove him :/

Pain? Zetsu? Uchiha "I survived that night"?

Come two weeks from now, Im gonna quote you over and over again Sasori XD I cant wait!

I have no problem with you quoting me. I already said that it is possible for itachi to have a good intention, but he f'ed up and went about it the wrong way. Im not here to make Itachi look like a holy person, like you and your theorist are doing.

Next thing you know, we will have you claiming that Madara is a good guy and is misunderstood.

P.S After all madara must be a good guy because he rescued Sasuke-kun right right???

[Mika-kun]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

I will give you that. All I am trying to say is, yes it is possible that Itachi may have good intentions, but his methods were definitely extreme and hardcore. A person can have a good goal, but if they have some sort sick twisted demented way of attaining that goal, they will take huge risk.

If Itachi met Madara as a child and was afraid of him, one would expect Itachi to report throughout Konoha that he is back, instead of keeping it a secret. If Itachi killed his clan just so he can be closer to Madara in his inner circle, then that makes him a spineless coward, because I doubt Itachi loved watching or even helping in killing off his clan, yet alone his own parents. As i said in a previous post, if that is what happened, then Itachi is worst than Sasuke..

No matter what his intentions were, he was an asshole about it by far.

Unless maybe the Uchiha clan were a power hungry clan looking to betray Konoha????

Just a thought ;_:

[scoober]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

Okay let me remind yout hat Tobi is the number 1 ENEMY of this Manga. This man is responsible for:

- Killing the 4th..
- Killing the Uchiha Clan
- Attempting to Kill the 1st hokage
- Creating a dangerous terrorist organization..

Okay now with those FACTS stated, why should anyone trust this jackass now?

I am not even going to address the Itachi is lying comment, it sounds more like your just denying what has been stated. It kinda reminds me back when oro said how Itachi is stronger than him and half of the fans on this website cried foul and said Oro was lying.. lol Itachi admitted twice to killing the clan...

Sasuke is a credible witness when the murderur spares his life, oh and then tells him at the murder scene what he did.

And just because Itachi hasnt' killed a single konoha nin that night doesnt mean a damn thing.

You know Sasori hadn't kill a single Sand Nin since he left the village. If you recall he even stated.. " I am never coming back here again". And last time I checked Sasori was a big ole ass himself..

You know if you good guy theorist think Itachi had some good intentions fine, but let's not paint him out to be some innocent angel, because he is not...

Tobi and Itachi are not on the same team LOL

They're enemies, Itachi clearly tried to kill TOBI because TOBI is evil like you said

TOBI currently is not lying because he is trying to tell Sasuke the truth to somehow ask Sasuke to join him.

Itachi isn't as evil because I'm pretty sure he revealed to Naruto what his intentions were.
People forgot that itachi spoke with naruto right before itachi went off to fight Sasuke.

There were plenty for foreshadowing that Itachi actualy cared for his brother.

to put it simply

YES Tobi is evil and Itachi is fighting that evil while protecting Sasuke. That much is the truth. Therefore itachi is definitely not pure evil and TOBI is not lying

[naffizi]

it Makes Perfect Sense....itachi Will Not Give Sasuke All His Eye Techniques For Fun....

and This Goes Back To What Kakashi Warned Sasuke About...

after Revenge All You Feel Is Regret.....the Manga Doesn't Lie....

most Importantly Sasuke Got Krin...plus Tsyukomi...plus Amaterasu..plus Susano!

yikes...also It Seems Itachi Must Have Been Hurt By Madara B4 He Fought Sasuke...


lastly Why Do People Refuse To Believe He Had Noble Intentions?


what If Itachi Was Actually Protecting Konoha From The 9 Tails?


lastly Lookinga This Trend...i Am Going To Make Another Prediction...


yondaime Is Not Dead....how Kishi Goes About Bringing Him Back I Dunoo..

but The Death God Technique Doesn't Add Up In His Case....

LASTLY...it is possible Madara appraoched the most talented of all Uchias and told him follow me or i will unleash the kyuubi on your entire village? to protect clan and kin Itachi did what he had to...very beleievable to me...now am thinking for madara to get his full powers he needs the kyuubi..and his eyes aren't strong enough...hence he needs Sasuke to suppress the kyuubis chakra then he collects all eyes...

question how the fuck did Tobi survive Amaterasu? does that mean when kakashi whips out his M.S Sasuke will unleash Amaterasu involuntarily?

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by Mika-kun

Unless maybe the Uchiha clan were a power hungry clan looking to betray Konoha????

Just a thought ;_:

See I would think the opposite, I mean when Madara was in power, the clan seemed quite power hungry. I mean you had members left and right obtaining the MS. Later on it seemed the clan became peaceful and less barbaric. I think this because of the history that was given and because of Itachi's comments in the flashback about how the clan has fell off.

Originally Posted by scoober

Tobi and Itachi are not on the same team LOL

They're enemies, Itachi clearly tried to kill TOBI because TOBI is evil like you said

TOBI currently is not lying because he is trying to tell Sasuke the truth to somehow ask Sasuke to join him.

Itachi isn't as evil because I'm pretty sure he revealed to Naruto what his intentions were.
People forgot that itachi spoke with naruto right before itachi went off to fight Sasuke.

There were plenty for foreshadowing that Itachi actualy cared for his brother.

to put it simply

YES Tobi is evil and Itachi is fighting that evil while protecting Sasuke. That much is the truth. Therefore itachi is definitely not pure evil and TOBI is not lying

Of course Itachi cared for his brother... he cared for him enough in hopes that he would obtain the MS so he can take his damn eyes away. Like I said real brotherly love.. Can't you feel it?

So the hell what he wanted his bro's eyes for a "greater cause".

I never said Itachi was pure evil, all I said was he is a psychopathic asshole and that is a fact. If you want to burn your little brother alive and rip his eyeballs out so you can beat the final villain, then um yeah your an ass.

[naffizi]

did it occur to u he knew sasuke was a clone...

did it occur to u he could have just used susasno from the beginnin?

did it occur to u to ask why did he give him all his eye techniques?

and lastly has it occurred to u Madara just stated Itachi wnated to protect Sasuke?

its a fact don't question the facts

[scoober]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

See I would think the opposite, I mean when Madara was in power, the clan seemed quite power hungry. I mean you had members left and right obtaining the MS. Later on it seemed the clan became peaceful and less barbaric. I think this because of the history that was given and because of Itachi's comments in the flashback about how the clan has fell off.





Of course Itachi cared for his brother... he cared for him enough in hopes that he would obtain the MS so he can take his damn eyes away. Like I said real brotherly love.. Can't you feel it?

So the hell what he wanted his bro's eyes for a "greater cause".

I never said Itachi was pure evil, all I said was he is a psychopathic asshole and that is a fact. If you want to burn your little brother alive and rip his eyeballs out so you can beat the final villain, then um yeah your an ass.

Dood my main point is that TOBI IS NOT LYING

If tobi is telling the truth the entire last fight, itachi never intend to take the eyes/kill sasuke. geez


Apparently itachi acted so well that you and sasuke got fooled too.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by naffizi

did it occur to u he knew sasuke was a clone...

did it occur to u he could have just used susasno from the beginnin?

did it occur to u to ask why did he give him all his eye techniques?

and lastly has it occurred to u Madara just stated Itachi wnated to protect Sasuke?

its a fact don't question the facts

I have no idea what your talking about with the clone thing...

You usually do not use your most powerful jutsu at the beginning, especially if it has a huge drawback and takes alot of chakra. There is no point in that. Not to mention Itachi underestimated Sasuke. He realized he didnt have the MS so he used the Tsukyomi thinking Sasuke would not be able to break it.

And lastly Itachi gave his eye techniques after he realized he didnt have enough power to do his original plan.. What was his original plan you may ask? To rip his little brother's eyes out. What is it about that you are not getting. Do you come from an area where ripping a loved one's eyes out of their socket a sign of happiness and respect? I mean what the hell man..

How about attempting to burning someone alive with a horrible black flame? Is that a good thing as well?


Either way I am done with this debate, and I am just going to throw in my 398 Prediction..

Here are the possibilities I see:

Itachi was brainwashed and became a slave of Madara.. (this would mean he was a good guy who just got taken advantage of).

Itachi killed the clan, so he can instill hatred and "motivation" in Sasuke to get the MS. Only so he can come back years later and steal it from him, thus giving himself the EMS. And from that point killing Madara and living happily ever after.


I think the 2nd prediction is most likely what will happen.

[phoenix1]

Sasori Im not trying to elevate some kinda fan boy pedestal for itachi (ok maybe a little bit) Im just saying that you're ignoring several facts about what has been revealed these past couple of chapters. The most important one is that itachi may not have been the mastermind behind the massacre and that what even if he did take part in it, it may have been for the good of the shinobi world because of some plot by the uchihas (pure speculation but its not inconceivable either). That fight he had with sasuke could be looked at in both directions and Im not discounting the "i want your eyes" theory but it makes more sense given recent events that he was training sasuke. I know that you think he was too "extreme and hardcore" but i dont see any way you can be a double agent convincingly without hurting the side you are on, he always had madara's eyes on him and there wasn't much "good" he could do that he could get away with.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by phoenix1

Sasori Im not trying to elevate some kinda fan boy pedestal for itachi (ok maybe a little bit) Im just saying that you're ignoring several facts about what has been revealed these past couple of chapters. The most important one is that itachi may not have been the mastermind behind the massacre and that what even if he did take part in it, it may have been for the good of the shinobi world because of some plot by the uchihas (pure speculation but its not inconceivable either). That fight he had with sasuke could be looked at in both directions and Im not discounting the "i want your eyes" theory but it makes more sense given recent events that he was training sasuke. I know that you think he was too "extreme and hardcore" but i dont see any way you can be a double agent convincingly without hurting the side you are on, he always had madara's eyes on him and there wasn't much "good" he could do that he could get away with.

Well I guess we will have to see what lie or trick Madara pulled on Itachi for him to not tell anyone about what was going on. I mean Madara must a pulled a huge bluff.. Its not like he had the 9 tails back then, so he couldnt' threat konoha with that. And I have a hard time believing that Konoha together isn't powerful enough to kill Madara and his croonies.. So I guess we will see..

But yeah this is I think really happened...

Itachi killed the clan, so he can instill hatred and "motivation" in Sasuke to get the MS. Only so he can come back years later and steal it from him, thus giving himself the EMS. And from that point killing Madara.

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by Lee Son

all of itachis eye techiniques susano amaratsu and tsukiyomi this sonofaB is gonna be nasty cant wait to see him master it then get his own techniques DAMN nd now i wonderr what sasuke will learn about itachi....?

power for Uchihas come at a price.. namely their eyesight..
they will be unstoppable but there's a cost associated with this

..the real question is what price does Sasuke have to pay for his power?

and is it unlimited unbeatable power aka EMS?

..hmm

[m2dab]

Originally Posted by scoober

Dood my main point is that TOBI IS NOT LYING

If tobi is telling the truth the entire last fight, itachi never intend to take the eyes/kill sasuke. geez


Apparently itachi acted so well that you and sasuke got fooled too.

it is true, ive said it before and ill say it again there is no way any character can simply lie in a manga because no-one would be able to follow the story line.