Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. - Page 15

JiraiyaRIP · 29-04-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dpt101

That's what I've been saying, and that's why I believe Danzou sent Sai after Sasuke. They had Sasuke under the reigns while he lived in Konoha, they could keep track of him and he would never try to summon the Kyuubi because he would never find out it was possible. However, once he left and became a rogue ninja chasing Itachi, the rules changed. It was no longer safe to assume he wouldn't find out about the Kyuubi and, for one reason or another, try to summon it once more. In addition, Sasuke became a rogue ninja so he could assassinate a Konoha shinobi in Itachi. If Itachi was a member of ROOT, would Danzou stand by as a rogue Uchiha went after him?

If they didn't want Sasuke to find out about the bond between Kyuubi and the sharingan why the hell did they put him in the same team as Naruto who is the fecking host of the beast. There hardly seems any logic to it.

Why not · 29-04-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JiraiyaRIP

If they didn't want Sasuke to find out about the bond between Kyuubi and the sharingan why the hell did they put him in the same team as Naruto who is the fecking host of the beast. There hardly seems any logic to it.

There is logic in it.
He was with Naruto in one team. That´s true but that doesn´t matter. Yeah Sasuke mada contact with Naruto and found out about the Kyubi. But why should he find out about the connection between the Kyubi and the Sharingan? He just know about the Kyubi. Not about the connection between the Kyubi and the Sharingan. So there´s no problem and also if they are in one team they might become friends and friends won´t use each other. I know it didn´t happen that way but they might speculated about it.

The stig · 29-04-2008, 02:25 PM

Because sasuke was the best and naruto was the worset.

Thats why they were put on the same team.

xadi · 29-04-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JDPIMP2004

Itachi a sacrifice?? how come? He was born with special chakra just like Madara?

pity itachi....

Victory21 · 29-04-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scarface101

Because sasuke was the best and naruto was the worset.

Thats why they were put on the same team.

your so cruel to poor naruto

. Calling him the worst, at least he was.

Dussan · 29-04-2008, 05:04 PM

Not too many coincedences in Naruto.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandaime had a hand in organizing Team 7 more then just assigning Kakashi.

It's also telling that no one after Sandaime's generation is aware of these events either. If that is the case then Tsunade doesn't know.

Also we are talking about Sasuke's reaction to this revelation. I'm starting to think Naruto is going to be the one that fucks somebody up if he learns that someone from Konoha ordered Itachi to kill his clan.

SHADENINJA · 29-04-2008, 09:21 PM

Maybe he did

although Iruka's reasoning made sense lol

Pairing the worst student with the best

Destiny played a huge role, in my opinion.

YondaimeSamaKun · 29-04-2008, 10:31 PM

I still think that Naruto and Minato are related to the 1st and the 2nd, because this feud has to many coincidences as is, plus Sasuke is related to Madara, Tsunade is the granddaughter of the 1st and is blonde with blue eyes I wouldnt be surprised if Minato was her cousin or something or great grandson of the 2nd or something, their hair is very spikey and similar, then again so was Jiraiya's...

Ycagel · 29-04-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by YondaimeSamaKun

I still think that Naruto and Minato are related to the 1st and the 2nd, because this feud has to many coincidences as is, plus Sasuke is related to Madara, Tsunade is the granddaughter of the 1st and is blonde with blue eyes I wouldnt be surprised if Minato was her cousin or something or great grandson of the 2nd or something, their hair is very spikey and similar, then again so was Jiraiya's...

http://www.naruto-world.com/naruto-cover-19.jpg

She has brown eyes...

SHADENINJA · 30-04-2008, 01:32 AM

I don't think Minato is related to the 1st, maybe the second

Blackghost164 · 30-04-2008, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ShadeNinja

I don't think Minato is related to the 1st, maybe the second

the second is the first brother

Allenwalker · 30-04-2008, 05:08 AM

I believe people have forgotten how strong the first really was.
We haven't realized his true powe just yet. He's got to be freakishly strong.
For even Madara to admire him? And at the time he had EMS.

CyberSonic · 30-04-2008, 12:40 PM

I think Sasuke and Naruto will defeat pain and madara together.Overcome the destiny of uchiha and the world.

JiraiyaRIP · 30-04-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YondaimeSamaKun

I still think that Naruto and Minato are related to the 1st and the 2nd, because this feud has to many coincidences as is, plus Sasuke is related to Madara, Tsunade is the granddaughter of the 1st and is blonde with blue eyes I wouldnt be surprised if Minato was her cousin or something or great grandson of the 2nd or something, their hair is very spikey and similar, then again so was Jiraiya's...

Wouldn't that make a dynasty? You make the third seem like regent who waited for a next king to rise. Kings are for countries not for Ninja Villages. I sure hope they are not related.

JiraiyaRIP · 30-04-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Allenwalker

I believe people have forgotten how strong the first really was.
We haven't realized his true powe just yet. He's got to be freakishly strong.
For even Madara to admire him? And at the time he had EMS.

Forgotten? We haven't seen him at work ever...
Sure hope he is more then just a good gardener cause the whole Mokoton Jutsu is starting to bore me.

OG LoC · 30-04-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xclip

your so cruel to poor naruto

. Calling him the worst, at least he was.

He still is.

MasterTragedy · 30-04-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OG LoC

He still is.

Sigh he's one of the best, being beaten possibly by sasuke and shika. Let's leave biasism out please.

And on topic, I was reading a fanfic and I remembered Itachis words on the night of the massacre. "come before me when you have the same eyes..." if the current picture of Itachi is true, and he never intended to take Sasukes eyes, that means he was planning to give Sasuke EMS...if that's what he really had planned I truely wish he was just plain evil again. Fucking everyone hands Sasuke everything on a silver platter.

scandalous · 30-04-2008, 06:37 PM

I still think that the 1st used his "darkness" jutsu to win against madara. Although I'm not quite sure. The darkness jutsu is supposed to be a genjutsu and obviously making everything dark. This means the sharingan does not work as the eyes have nothing to process. (kakashi covering his eye explains this theory) But what I don't get is if it's a genjutsu the sharingan is supposed to see through it. What do you guys think.

Does the darkness jutsu render the sharingan useless or can the sharingan see through it.

Also what I was wondering, Tsokomi can be broken by skilled sharingan users. Sasuke has proven this, and I'm sure madara can to. But they can do it without the mangekyou sharingan. In part 1 were kakashi was put under Tsyokomi, Itachi stated that kakashi could not overcome the technique because he was not an uchiha. Yet now kakashi has mastered the mangekyou sharingan which shows that he has master the sharingan to it's fullest and then activated it. This for me puts him at the top of sharingan ability and power.
If kakashi were to put under tsyokomi again, could he break it with his normal sharingan as he is at a higher level now. Or does his mangekyou sharingan give him the ability to break tsyokomi?

shingarieman · 30-04-2008, 09:24 PM

we never herd any of the specifics of the 1st darkness technique i think old man 3rd mentions it when he see's it commingas a illusion type (can't find any original manga raw that far bac) but i think its a bad idea to asume its a normal ilusion because how the 3rd reacted to it he didnt try to canncel it or anything just went straite to kill the user (this could have been chakra issues) but morelikely i think the 1st darkness technique is more litteral than we're all thinking. how about if the first used water and chakra to fog the area (like zabuza) but to the point where there was no mist just a blanket of light blocking chakra (kinga like a film of ink ish) this would render sharingan even by high level user's useless as they wouldnt see light (so nothing physical) and there chakra vision (kinda) would be in white out or black out w/e.

as for kakashi's sharingan i doubt that ems has the same techniques for each user we've yet 2 see any1 use a different person's technique (itachi didnt have any time space eye technique i recon that kakashi might be able to break tsukimori now tho it all depend on how skilled he is with the sharingan (this is not its evolution stage remember zetsu's explanation pebble thrower vs shuriken noob)

what really got me was that the 3rd knew of itachi's reasons (or so is claimed) yet he did nothing to either speed up or prevent sasuke leaving ?_? very confusing) wonder if the 3rd just knew or waspart of it?

**MuKen** · 30-04-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scandalous

But what I don't get is if it's a genjutsu the sharingan is supposed to see through it.

The sharingan does not grant invulnerability to genjutsu, otherwise Itachi and Sasuke would not have bothered trying genjutsu on each other. It's still up to the strength of the user to fight the genjutsu.

The darkness genjutsu is likely an "easy to get people with" genjutsu. Consider that it was a big threat in a hokage level battle. Now given that there exists genjutsu that paralyze, put you to sleep, torture you, etc. etc., why would a blindness genjutsu be a big deal? What's worse, being blind or paralyzed?

Thus if the darkness genjutsu is a high level genjutsu, its strength must lie in the fact that it is harder to break.

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The stig Niju Shōtai Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: England...one and only Posts: 5,778 My Mood: Rep Power: 16	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. Because sasuke was the best and naruto was the worset. Thats why they were put on the same team. __________________

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Dussan ANBU Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,284 My Mood: Rep Power: 15	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. Not too many coincedences in Naruto. I wouldn't be surprised if Sandaime had a hand in organizing Team 7 more then just assigning Kakashi. It's also telling that no one after Sandaime's generation is aware of these events either. If that is the case then Tsunade doesn't know. Also we are talking about Sasuke's reaction to this revelation. I'm starting to think Naruto is going to be the one that fucks somebody up if he learns that someone from Konoha ordered Itachi to kill his clan.

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Allenwalker Academy Student Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. I believe people have forgotten how strong the first really was. We haven't realized his true powe just yet. He's got to be freakishly strong. For even Madara to admire him? And at the time he had EMS.

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CyberSonic Genin Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 57 My Mood: Rep Power: 0	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. I think Sasuke and Naruto will defeat pain and madara together.Overcome the destiny of uchiha and the world.

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scandalous Chuunin Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 346 Rep Power: 4	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. I still think that the 1st used his "darkness" jutsu to win against madara. Although I'm not quite sure. The darkness jutsu is supposed to be a genjutsu and obviously making everything dark. This means the sharingan does not work as the eyes have nothing to process. (kakashi covering his eye explains this theory) But what I don't get is if it's a genjutsu the sharingan is supposed to see through it. What do you guys think. Does the darkness jutsu render the sharingan useless or can the sharingan see through it. Also what I was wondering, Tsokomi can be broken by skilled sharingan users. Sasuke has proven this, and I'm sure madara can to. But they can do it without the mangekyou sharingan. In part 1 were kakashi was put under Tsyokomi, Itachi stated that kakashi could not overcome the technique because he was not an uchiha. Yet now kakashi has mastered the mangekyou sharingan which shows that he has master the sharingan to it's fullest and then activated it. This for me puts him at the top of sharingan ability and power. If kakashi were to put under tsyokomi again, could he break it with his normal sharingan as he is at a higher level now. Or does his mangekyou sharingan give him the ability to break tsyokomi? __________________

30-04-2008, 09:24 PM	#299
shingarieman Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Re: Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion. we never herd any of the specifics of the 1st darkness technique i think old man 3rd mentions it when he see's it commingas a illusion type (can't find any original manga raw that far bac) but i think its a bad idea to asume its a normal ilusion because how the 3rd reacted to it he didnt try to canncel it or anything just went straite to kill the user (this could have been chakra issues) but morelikely i think the 1st darkness technique is more litteral than we're all thinking. how about if the first used water and chakra to fog the area (like zabuza) but to the point where there was no mist just a blanket of light blocking chakra (kinga like a film of ink ish) this would render sharingan even by high level user's useless as they wouldnt see light (so nothing physical) and there chakra vision (kinda) would be in white out or black out w/e. as for kakashi's sharingan i doubt that ems has the same techniques for each user we've yet 2 see any1 use a different person's technique (itachi didnt have any time space eye technique i recon that kakashi might be able to break tsukimori now tho it all depend on how skilled he is with the sharingan (this is not its evolution stage remember zetsu's explanation pebble thrower vs shuriken noob) what really got me was that the 3rd knew of itachi's reasons (or so is claimed) yet he did nothing to either speed up or prevent sasuke leaving ?_? very confusing) wonder if the 3rd just knew or waspart of it?