Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

Sometimes I feel people refuse to accept what is given to them. We have been told numerous of times that the 4th was the strongest hokage. Kishimoto himself has even stated in an interview that 4th is the strongest amongst the dead. That means he is indeed stronger than the 1st.

Because Madara said he admired the 1st and acknowledged how powerful he was, all the uchiha fanboys somehow now think that the 4th cannot possibly be that strong and somehow the 1st was stronger...

If anything this just shows two facts: 1. The 1st hokage was a badass. and 2. The 4th hokage must of reeeeaaally been a badass.

That interview was fake. And we can have a debate as to whether greatest and strongest are one and the same.

[Lord_Sasori]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

That interview was fake. And we can have a debate as to whether greatest and strongest are one and the same.

I guess.. i doubt the 4th is weaker though, hes been hyped up too much/.

Edit: So it seems the interview or part of it was fake from sources on MH. But Kishi does indeed have interviews usually at shonen jump festas soo who knows..

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Lord_Sasori

Actually there were two interviews if im not mistaken.. the one with kisame having a new role was fake. the brief one with like 3 questions is real.

You are mistaken because that was in the same interview. You can search for the thread if you like.

The only real interview was the one from jumpfest and it said nothing about the fourth hokage.

[scoober]

Did you guys see the uchiha with 3 eyes on page 18??? weird!

[dpt101]

Thanks for reminding me of Kisame, Sasori. Does anybody think this revelation about Itachi will affect Kisame's character? They seemed to be pretty close, likely the closest among the Akatsuki pairs (minus Pein and Konan). Were his intentions something that Itachi kept hidden from Kisame?

If I recall, Kisame was always much more intent on doing battle with the Konoha shinobi, and Itachi usually reeled him in by stating that it would be too tough a battle or that it simply wasn't worth the effort.

Another thing: Madara's revelations and Itachi's testimony give two very different views on who Sasuke should be after at this point. From what Itachi told Sasuke, Madara should be the number one enemy for aiding in the destruction of the Uchiha. From what Madara told Sasuke, Konoha should be the number one enemy for ordering the destruction of the Uchiha.

Madara: Itachi = Friend ; Konoha = Foe
Itachi: Madara = Foe ; Konoha = Friend

Should be interesting to see what Sasuke does with this.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by dpt101

Thanks for reminding me of Kisame, Sasori. Does anybody think this revelation about Itachi will affect Kisame's character? They seemed to be pretty close, likely the closest among the Akatsuki pairs (minus Pein and Konan). Were his intentions something that Itachi kept hidden from Kisame?

If I recall, Kisame was always much more intent on doing battle with the Konoha shinobi, and Itachi usually reeled him in by stating that it would be too tough a battle or that it simply wasn't worth the effort.

Another thing: Madara's revelations and Itachi's testimony give two very different views on who Sasuke should be after at this point. From what Itachi told Sasuke, Madara should be the number one enemy for aiding in the destruction of the Uchiha. From what Madara told Sasuke, Konoha should be the number one enemy for ordering the destruction of the Uchiha.

Madara: Itachi = Friend ; Konoha = Foe
Itachi: Madara = Foe ; Konoha = Friend

Should be interesting to see what Sasuke does with this.

Isn't it obvious. Sasuke is going to become konoha's enemy. Otherwise Kishi will be writting himself into a box.

[nasman]

story is beginning to get interesting, feels a bit like basilisk...

and the last panel of hashirama reminds me of orochimaru somewhat.

[dpt101]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

Isn't it obvious. Sasuke is going to become konoha's enemy. Otherwise Kishi will be writting himself into a box.

That much is certainly obvious. No more happy ending for him. But if he chooses to believe Madara's story about Itachi being good, and thus Konoha is bad... That would mean we can likely trust Itachi about Madara ALSO being bad. Do you catch my meaning? Could be a Sith thing here, Sasuke gets stronger under Madara only to kill him and go after Konoha.

[Ycagel]

For the supposedly oldest and strongest clan in Konoha, the Hyuuga sure don't get a lot of attention anymore... They're like the Nidaime of strong clans.

This chapter was okay, though I'm saying this mostly because you saw the Sandaime and Shodai (Damn...he looks like Orochimaru).

[Dr.osamah]

why are you concerning about who is stronger ?

wether 1st or 4th .. the most important is what is his effect on the story >>

e.g. 1st has established konoha with madara .. madara admire 1st >> he gained power and wanted to defeat 1st .. call out kyubi .. 1st can control kyubi >> something happen between them ... will be revealed sooner

after several year when the 4th was hokage .. madara re-invade konoha .. 4th sealed kyubi in naruto ..

questions are:

1. is there any relation between left eye of madara and 1st hokage?
2. after 4th sealed kyubi in naruto .. the 3rd, 2 advisors arranged the assasination of uchiha clan ?!

[dpt101]

Originally Posted by Dr.osamah

2. after 4th sealed kyubi in naruto .. the 3rd, 2 advisors arranged the assasination of uchiha clan ?!

That's my guess. In my estimation, the top people in Konoha are completely aware of how the Kyuubi came to attack the village and who has the ability to control it. Recognizing that another Uchiha could rise up and do the exact same thing, they ordered Itachi (the most prolific, talented, and patriotic Uchiha) to do away with his clan. Then they had him leave, probably for two reasons: To establish his image as an enemy of the state for what he did, and to make sure that HE would never be able to take control of the Kyuubi who was secured within the village.

[_Metsuke_]

great chapter.

This is kind of a side note - but does anyone else see the similarities between Shodaime in that last panel and Orochimaru?

If that's the case and the two are somehow related... Tsunade and Oro could be like long lost cousins to some degree.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by _Metsuke_

great chapter.

This is kind of a side note - but does anyone else see the similarities between Shodaime in that last panel and Orochimaru?

If that's the case and the two are somehow related... Tsunade and Oro could be like long lost cousins to some degree.

Let's not start that rumor. It has no basis. If Kishi drew shodai to look like Kiba we'd all be saying Kiba was a descendant of shodai. There is no relation.

[Victory21]

Originally Posted by _Metsuke_

great chapter.

This is kind of a side note - but does anyone else see the similarities between Shodaime in that last panel and Orochimaru?

If that's the case and the two are somehow related... Tsunade and Oro could be like long lost cousins to some degree.

With all the theories people are coming up with, everyone should be related somehow.

[DemiGod.PBm]

What's interesting about Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, is that it was Minato and not an Uchiha that sealed Kyuubi.

Surely Fugaku had enough power in his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi, even if just a little. This makes me believe that Uchiha were in on Madara's plan, but doesn't explain why the village waited ~6yrs to make a move on Uchiha.

"I see there is police curruption in all ages..."

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by DemiGod.PBm

What's interesting about Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, is that it was Minato and not an Uchiha that sealed Kyuubi.

Surely Fugaku had enough power in his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi, even if just a little. This makes me believe that Uchiha were in on Madara's plan, but doesn't explain why the village waited ~6yrs to make a move on Uchiha.

"I see there is police curruption in all ages..."

Fugaku did not have enough power to control the Kyuubi because he didn't have the MS. There is no getting around that simple fact.

[Dr.osamah]

sorry, but could anyone tell me who's fugako?

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Dr.osamah

sorry, but could anyone tell me who's fugako?

Sasuke and Itachi's dad. Come on man read the manga!

[XxefroxX]

maybe fugako may have acqured MS like kakashi did

[_Metsuke_]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

Let's not start that rumor. It has no basis. If Kishi drew shodai to look like Kiba we'd all be saying Kiba was a descendant of shodai. There is no relation.

Your conclusion is based on what fact? I'm taking a reasonable observation - (do you dispute the resemblance?) and examining what consequences that observation might have.

Here's my logic - which is entirely reasonable:

• We know Tsunade is the granddaughter of the First.
• We now know the first was the strongest leader of, initially, the rival clan of the Uchiha.
• We do not know the origins of Orochimaru.
• We know Kishi is a sadist and likes doing stuff like this.
• I observe that Orochimaru bears a striking resemblance to one of the best representations of Shodai (and his clan) yet.

I'm not saying they're brother and sister, just just that it is entirely possible that they both find their origins in the same clan. (is that in any way unreasonable considering we now know that the two clans formed Konoha?)

Seriously, feel free not to trash any idea that's not yours simply because it didn't come from you.

Oh, I do find it interesting that this puts yet another nail in the Tobito Theory. I'll have to update my sig.

EDIT: Going to your comment that, "If Kishi drew shodai to look like Kiba we'd all be saying Kiba was a descendant of shodai."

I'd agree, and they'd be reasonable for thinking so. But he didn't. Kishi drew Shodai as resembling Orochimaru. I am making the assumption that Kishi doesn't do things like this for no reason, but has a purpose. Now if that's wrong, sure. Otherwise, I stand on a basis of reason.