Naruto Manga chapter 398 discussion.

[saedoo]

Originally Posted by Milanista23

Well, for me, this is very clear:

This is all a buildup for Naruto Vs Sasuke fight!!

I was wondering why would such a fight come into picture, but this chapter could bring this fight into reality, especially that one of the cover pages lately showed such a possibility.

On the other hand, we know how smart is Tobi, he could be building such hatred in Sasuke for Konoha to bring him to Akatuski. Sasuke is being a fool who is getting fooled by everyone, first with Itachi now with Madara! He just gets emotional withing thinking of the real reasons!

talking about cover page .. what's the meaning of the sharingan in kyuubi eyes!!

[nasman]

Originally Posted by _Metsuke_

Your conclusion is based on what fact? I'm taking a reasonable observation - (do you dispute the resemblance?) and examining what consequences that observation might have.

Here's my logic - which is entirely reasonable:

• We know Tsunade is the granddaughter of the First.
• We now know the first was the strongest leader of, initially, the rival clan of the Uchiha.
• We do not know the origins of Orochimaru.
• We know Kishi is a sadist and likes doing stuff like this.
• I observe that Orochimaru bears a striking resemblance to one of the best representations of Shodai (and his clan) yet.

I'm not saying they're brother and sister, just just that it is entirely possible that they both find their origins in the same clan. (is that in any way unreasonable considering we now know that the two clans formed Konoha?)

Seriously, feel free not to trash any idea that's not yours simply because it didn't come from you.

Oh, I do find it interesting that this puts yet another nail in the Tobito Theory. I'll have to update my sig.

EDIT: Going to your comment that, "If Kishi drew shodai to look like Kiba we'd all be saying Kiba was a descendant of shodai."

I'd agree, and they'd be reasonable for thinking so. But he didn't. Kishi drew Shodai as resembling Orochimaru. I am making the assumption that Kishi doesn't do things like this for no reason, but has a purpose. Now if that's wrong, sure. Otherwise, I stand on a basis of reason.

i'd like to see a seperate thread about this with pictures to compare the two - i would start one but i deleted all my old naruto chapters recently.

[Quagz]

gah kishi wasting more pages but its good to have naruto back. The ending and buildup is pretty cool, we get to see the fist as a young man!!


I think tobi is trying to make sasuke loathe konoha so he can be apart of his plan. I'm pretty sure others have stated it but thats my speculation

edit: also im confused on how uchiha and senju were the strongest but rinnengan(sp?) is left out. were they not around?

[l0rdza0n]

Originally Posted by San Goku

It will be in shippudden when the time comes most likely. I think Madara is only assuming that only those 3 knows. Its possible Tsunade knows as well.

I doubt anyone else but those three really know..

the old hold the deepest darkest secret and in this case.. a secret so dark and deadly they will take it with them to their graves..

but yea, i love the fact that Kish gave hints as to why the elderly in the naruto-verse hold so much "power".. not just in konoha but take for example, Chiyo-baaaasammmaaa

[Dussan]

Yes!

I can deal with Uchiha flashbacks.

But if this is going where I think it's going, Tobi just buried any hopes of Sasuke coming back to Konoha. He is going to want to destroy the village and "change" it so something like that will never occur again. He will do so using Madara's methods and that means that fucking asshole is going to go against Naruto.

So Naruto has three "destined enemies"
1. Pein
2. Madara
3. Sasuke

Jesus.

[Afro_Sannin]

Originally Posted by Quagz

edit: also im confused on how uchiha and senju were the strongest but rinnengan(sp?) is left out. were they not around?

Rin'Negan was thought to not exist. Other than the First shinobi that created ninjutsu it was never said that he passed down the rin'negan or anything to that effect.

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Tell you the truth I was getting sick and tired of all this Uchiha bla bla bla. But now i'm interested again because of the senju. I could care less about all the other Uchiha stuff. Although ya its interesting that itachi was ordered to kill his clan. I just need a break from Uchihas for a while. So hopefully he shows us alot about the senju and some other stuff to keep my interest.

[SilentSneeze]

Originally Posted by Dussan

1. Pein
2. Madara
3. Sasuke

4.Jesus.

may as well throw him in, complete the set :/

Will be interesting to see how Sasuke reacts to all this, gonna be a serious mind fuck.

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Originally Posted by Dussan

Yes!

I can deal with Uchiha flashbacks.

But if this is going where I think it's going, Tobi just buried any hopes of Sasuke coming back to Konoha. He is going to want to destroy the village and "change" it so something like that will never occur again. He will do so using Madara's methods and that means that fucking asshole is going to go against Naruto.

So Naruto has three "destined enemies"
1. Pein
2. Madara
3. Sasuke

Jesus.

4 if you count Kabuto who has Naruto as his ultimate goal once he manages to deal with Sasuke (That part doesn't seem too possible right about now). We are all forgetting about Kabuto infused with a little bit of Orochimaru. He'll re-emerge as a serious threat I think.

[saerael]

could it be?!? are we about to witness the fabled shodai vs madara battle?!?!?!?? ever since they pulled out that EM sharingan i been wondering how the hell he lost to the 1st.

[MasterTragedy]

To the retarded theory 1st and Orochimaru may be related, Ive only got one thing to say,

Yamato.

Hopefully youll get it without me having to spell it out for you.

And I may have a viable reason for why the alliance broke between madara and 1st...look at their special abilities...one can summon the strongest Bijuu, the other can suppress it...What IF they formed planning to use Kyuubi againest their enemies like Pein plans to as a weapon...1st eventually grows a conscious and tries to call it off, madara, being the asshole he is doesn't want to change plans, Boom. VOTE. I need to think it through more though.

[OpTiMuSGOTFRAG]

Here is where the plot really thickens... does Madara know who Naruto's father is and will he tell Sasuke about it?

Will Madara tell Sasuke about his intentions for Naruto and the Nine Tails and why exactly Madara wants to do with the nine tails and the other tailed beasts?

[star105]

Originally Posted by ponchocam

Fugaku did not have enough power to control the Kyuubi because he didn't have the MS. There is no getting around that simple fact.

uh....maybe

but didn't sauske supress the kyuubis power while he was in narutos mind?
so i guess that he (or anyone else in the clan) could have helped a bit but not on the level of the MS or EMS

Also haven't we SEEN the first hokage before? and i dont think people were saying that "he looks alot like orochimaru back then" after he was summoned by orochimaru

its just a different way of drawing a character (same can be said for the Tobitio theorists but that hasn't been confirmed to be true or not yet)

but thats my opinion and as i said in the last chapter isn't amaterasu fromthe RIGHT eye yet when sauske used it (though involuentarily) it came from his LEFT eye.

but this is a good chapter can't wait for the next one

[The J-man]

This chapter pretty much confirmed that Kishi is God.

[Poncho Sama]

Originally Posted by Dussan

Yes!

I can deal with Uchiha flashbacks.

But if this is going where I think it's going, Tobi just buried any hopes of Sasuke coming back to Konoha. He is going to want to destroy the village and "change" it so something like that will never occur again. He will do so using Madara's methods and that means that fucking asshole is going to go against Naruto.

So Naruto has three "destined enemies"
1. Pein
2. Madara
3. Sasuke

Jesus.

There aint no way Naruto is beating Pain, Madara, Sasuke, and Kabuto in this story. Pain maybe, Madara will be for someone else to kill (Sasuke), He will fight Sasuke again most likely at the very end, and Kabuto will reappear sometime in between and probably get owned like Orochimaru has been getting owned recently. But not by Naruto. Sasuke will probably kill him.

[The J-man]

Looks like Madara v. Shodai will be shown next chapter. Damn! Kishi is so awesome!

Is obvious that Sasuke will become a true enemy of Konoha after this.

[Nakano]

these next few chapters are going to be great this one seemed kinda slow to me tho :(

[nasman]

Originally Posted by MasterTragedy

To the retarded theory 1st and Orochimaru may be related, Ive only got one thing to say,

Yamato.

Hopefully youll get it without me having to spell it out for you.

don't get it.

yamato is only infused with the 1st's gene, not a full clone.

obviously orochimaru is the 1st's son and tsunade's father, lalalaaaa, weeeee

by the way, is it as retarded as the theory that itachi is good? lol

[Cane_The9lives]

Originally Posted by The J-man

This chapter pretty much confirmed that Kishi is God.

More explanation is in order before that can be true, as it stands it leaves more questions than answers which really irrritates me.

[Uchihaeyez]

He could've at least stated WHY, he had the clan murdered.

Lol i wonder if the Uchiha Clan had a any planned attempts on Narutos life/kyuubi, and thats why they were killed.

[ACCUNE]

Originally Posted by Dussan

Yes!

I can deal with Uchiha flashbacks.

But if this is going where I think it's going, Tobi just buried any hopes of Sasuke coming back to Konoha. He is going to want to destroy the village and "change" it so something like that will never occur again. He will do so using Madara's methods and that means that fucking asshole is going to go against Naruto.

So Naruto has three "destined enemies"
1. Pein
2. Madara
3. Sasuke

Jesus.

For some odd reason I forgot all about Pein(not saying that he is insignificant). I wonder how are they going to resume the Kisame and Hebi scene.